WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

klutedavid · Feb 18, 2019

safswan said:
It makes no difference which calendar they were under.The fact is there is no scripture which supports your theory that the weekly cycle changed as the months changed.

The fact also is that scripture and history shows the weekly cycle has been preserved throughout the generations of Israel.The week is the basis of the reckoning of time as created by God.(Genesis 1:31; 2:1-4; Mark 2:27).The month is the institution which is used to reckon the seasons(Genesis 1:14;Psalm 104:19)and will allow Israel to properly observe the yearly festivals/feasts.It has nothing to do with the weekly cycle.(See,Numbers 10:10;Leviticus 23.)

Your dead wrong.

Neogaia777 · Feb 18, 2019

klutedavid said:
Incorrect, a lunar month is different to a solar month. The papal calendar has a continuous weekly cycle but the lunar cycle starts at the new moon. Please read the scripture and start paying attention to the new moons.

So you wish to see some verses do you, lover of papal calendars.

Psalm 81:3
Saying, when will the new moon be over so that we may sell grain; and the sabbath, so that we may offer wheat for sale?

See that LGW, the new moon is the same as Sabbath, no one works on the new moon.

Ezekiel 46:1
Thus says the Lord God, “The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the six working days; but it shall be opened on the sabbath day and opened on the day of the new moon.

Once again, the new moon is the same as a Sabbath.

Amos 8:4-5
Hear this, you who swallow up the needy, and make the poor of the land fail. Saying: "When will the New Moon be past, that we may sell grain? And the Sabbath, that we may trade wheat?" Making the ephah small and the shekel large, falsifying the scales by deceit.

Yet again, no business on the day of the new moon.

2 Kings 4:23
So he said, "Why are you going to him today? It is neither New Moon nor Sabbath." And she said, "It is well".

Well you can't wander off except on a rest day and the new moon and the Sabbath are the same.

What Scripture does provide is indications that each month was 30 days in length.

- The chronology of the Flood appears to depict 30 day months. The passing of 150 days (Gen 7:24) appears to take us from the 17th day of the 2nd month (Gen 7:11) to the 17th day of the 7th month (Gen 8:4).

- The biblical account of the departure from Egypt to the declaring of the Mt Sinai commandments can be viewed in such a way to show the first and second months of God's calendar for that year were composed of 30 days each.

- Prophetic texts in the book of Revelation suggest 3.5 times(years) would equate to 42 months or 1260 days.

- In the book of Daniel the 'seven times' of Dan 4:16 has been explained as shadowing a greater prophetic period of 2,520 years, that is 7 years of 360 days per year.

- Other prophetic periods are also divisible by 30,
Ezek 4:5 - 390 days (equals 13 x 30 days)
Dan 12:11 - 1290 days (equals 43 x 30 days)
Dan 12:12 - 1335 days (equals 44.5 x 30 days)

Where is the new moon in your calculations?

You know full well that the calendar of the Hebrews was a lunar calendar. The papal calendar did not arrive until the sixteenth century.

You have nothing to work with.

But the new moon(s) are monthly, and were talking mainly about the weekly Sabbath,

And the scriptures you quoted say or I think are talking about and end to the new moons "and" Sabbaths in general, and many of the scriptures you quoted do say "and", or "new moons so we can do this, "and" Sabbath's so we will we will be free to do that", ect...

Talking, I think about being free from the letter of the law and all the traditions associated with it, ect....

Anyway, back to subject...

Of course the months are not the same, but are the days and the weeks...?

Oh, and, does the new moon(s) monthly have anything to do with that eighth day Sabbath at the end of the month, monthly maybe...? (I ask cause I honestly don't know)...?

God Bless!

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

klutedavid said:
Incorrect, a lunar month is different to a solar month.

Correct that is what I have been stating to you why pretend that I have been saying something different? If I have never said that the Luna calander is the same as the Sola calander dont make arguments pretending that I have.

klutedavid said:
The papal calendar has a continuous weekly cycle but the lunar cycle starts at the new moon. Please read the scripture and start paying attention to the new moons.

Now your twisting what I have posted and saying things I have never said. It is the NEW MOON in the Luna calander that starts a NEW MONTH it does not effect the SEVEN DAY WEEK which in the LUNA calander is still a SEVEN DAY CONTINUOUS WEEK CYCLE. I have posted both scripture and also have posted outside sources on this David from GENESIS 1:14-18; GENESIS 2:1-3; WIKI; JUDAISM 101 and Israel Science and Technology. Your claim is that the the week restarts at EVERY NEW MOON. This does not make any sense and goes against both scripture and Hebrew history.

klutedavid said:
So you wish to see some verses do you, lover of papal calendars.

Psalm 81:3
Saying, when will the new moon be over so that we may sell grain; and the sabbath, so that we may offer wheat for sale?

See that LGW, the new moon is the same as Sabbath, no one works on the new moon.

Ezekiel 46:1
Thus says the Lord God, “The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the six working days; but it shall be opened on the sabbath day and opened on the day of the new moon.

Once again, the new moon is the same as a Sabbath.

Rubbish. No please show me David from any one of the scriptures you have provided or elsewhere that the WEEKLY CYCLE is reset to Sunday as you claim or the SEVENTH DAY WEEKLY SABBATH you cannot can you?

klutedavid said:
Amos 8:4-5
Hear this, you who swallow up the needy, and make the poor of the land fail. Saying: "When will the New Moon be past, that we may sell grain? And the Sabbath, that we may trade wheat?" Making the ephah small and the shekel large, falsifying the scales by deceit.

Yet again, no business on the day of the new moon.

2 Kings 4:23
So he said, "Why are you going to him today? It is neither New Moon nor Sabbath." And she said, "It is well".

Well you can't wander off except on a rest day and the new moon and the Sabbath are the same.

What Scripture does provide is indications that each month was 30 days in length.

- The chronology of the Flood appears to depict 30 day months. The passing of 150 days (Gen 7:24) appears to take us from the 17th day of the 2nd month (Gen 7:11) to the 17th day of the 7th month (Gen 8:4).

Also refer to the page The Genesis Flood Chronology.

- The biblical account of the departure from Egypt to the declaring of the Mt Sinai commandments can be viewed in such a way to show the first and second months of God's calendar for that year were composed of 30 days each.

- Prophetic texts in the book of Revelation suggest 3.5 times(years) would equate to 42 months or 1260 days.

- In the book of Daniel the 'seven times' of Dan 4:16 has been explained as shadowing a greater prophetic period of 2,520 years, that is 7 years of 360 days per year.

- Other prophetic periods are also divisible by 30,
Ezek 4:5 - 390 days (equals 13 x 30 days)
Dan 12:11 - 1290 days (equals 43 x 30 days)
Dan 12:12 - 1335 days (equals 44.5 x 30 days)

Where is the new moon in your calculations?

You know full well that the calendar of the Hebrews was a lunar calendar. The papal calendar did not arrive until the sixteenth century.

You have nothing to work with.

You are confused brother by looking to Luna Sabbath websites. Let's look at your claims from God's WORD.

Firstly, If the NEW MOON was created on the 4th Day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:14-19 and the God's SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week how can the SABBATH start on a NEW MOON?

Every scripture you have posted here has nothing to do with changing the seven day weekly cycle. In fact as you have pulled your souce scriptures from a Luna Sabbath website every scripture you have posted is addressed and you can read more about the Luna Sabbath false teaching here click me; and here click me; and here click me; and here click me.

*Biblical Sabbath here click me (wiki)

Hope this helps.

ace of hearts · Feb 18, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Not sure what you mean here brother?

No of course not. The Hebrew calander you can read about in the link I have provided below. It says everything that has been shared with you about the day and weekly cycles being contineous and not being effected by the NEW MOON as some have tried to claim here. It also shows that the NEW MOONS were to show the start of the biblical FEAST days. If your interested in the biblical luna Hebrew calander here is a good link provided in WIKI click me. This supports everything that has been shared with you in this thread.

Hope this helps

Nothing comes up when I search for luna calendar.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Nothing comes up when I search for luna calendar.

Search Hebrew Calander

These links here are from Wiki; Judaism 101 and Israel Science and Technology

HEBREW calander (linked here; and here) From one year to the next it will throw out the FEAST DAYS to different dates linked and days from the previous year.

More info here click me

safswan · Feb 18, 2019

ace of hearts said:
It's interesting there are 13 new moons in a year and 13 months in the Jewish calendar. Just a coincidence I suppose.

The monthly cycle has no effect on the weekly cycle.

klutedavid · Feb 18, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Rubbish. The yearly cycle is different as there are 354 days in the HEBREW calander (linked here; and here) From one year to the next it will throw out the FEAST DAYS to different dates linked and days from the previous year.

More info here click me

Sorry brother your statement has no basis in fact.

I checked the link and the days in a lunar calendar month are 29.5 days. Which rounds up to thirty days.

You forget that the simple Hebrew society just started the month on the new moon. Decimal fractions were meaningless four thousand years ago. You can't calculate lunar cycles using computers and then expect uneducated people to adjust their calendar accordingly.

As I said before there are thirty days in the lunar calendar month. Your calculations in prophetic days don't work with a month of 31 days.

klutedavid · Feb 18, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Search Hebrew Calander

Careful you may be misled into using a lunar-solar calendar. Now that will spin the ball even more. The Jews adjusted their calendar later in history to align with other cultures.

Stick with the old calendar of Exodus.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

klutedavid said:
I checked the link and the days in a lunar calendar month are 29.5 days. Which rounds up to thirty days.

So you agree with what I posted earlier. Thankyou for being honest.

klutedavid said:
You forget that the simple Hebrew society just started the month on the new moon. Decimal fractions were meaningless four thousand years ago. You can't calculate lunar cycles using computers and then expect uneducated people to adjust their calendar accordingly. As I said before there are thirty days in the lunar calendar month. Your calculations in prophetic days don't work with a month of 31 days.

Your contradicting yourself again.

klutedavid · Feb 18, 2019

safswan said:
The monthly cycle has no effect on the weekly cycle.

In a lunar month it does because a lunar month starts on the lunar sighting. What is it you do not understand. See the new moon? That is the start of the month. It is a visual calendar that the ancient Hebrews employed. There was no papal calendar when the Bible was written.

Sometimes I wonder if your having me on?

klutedavid · Feb 18, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
So you agree with what I posted earlier. Thankyou for being honest.

Your contradicting yourself again.

You misunderstand the simple agricultural society, the month starts on the new moon. It's that simple, nothing mysterious about it.

The first day of the month was always a Saturday. So the eighth day was always a Sabbath day. Keep it simple.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

klutedavid said:
In a lunar month it does because a lunar month starts on the lunar sighting. What is it you do not understand. See the new moon? That is the start of the month. It is a visual calendar that the ancient Hebrews employed. There was no papal calendar when the Bible was written.

Sometimes I wonder if your having me on?

What are you talking about brother? Are you reading what I am posting to you? I have already posted that the sighting of the NEW MOON starts the beginning of the NEW MONTH. Your claiming that it starts a NEW WEEK. I do not think your reading my posts to you are you?

Neogaia777 · Feb 18, 2019

klutedavid said:
I checked the link and the days in a lunar calendar month are 29.5 days. Which rounds up to thirty days.

You forget that the simple Hebrew society just started the month on the new moon. Decimal fractions were meaningless four thousand years ago. You can't calculate lunar cycles using computers and then expect uneducated people to adjust their calendar accordingly.

As I said before there are thirty days in the lunar calendar month. Your calculations in prophetic days don't work with a month of 31 days.

What is, or would be cool, is; if you look into it, or want to look into it, I think God did know, what the computers of today know, way back then, and I think it has to do with some of their celebrations, or Jubilee (as one example) or whatever, but I think God worked it into their system somehow to account for those things the Hebrew people had no way of knowing about... Or at least I think that's what you might find if you look into it or want to look into it... Which is pretty amazing really, or at least it is to me... I know He did, it's just been so long ago that I can't remember a whole lot of details about it though...

God Bless!

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

klutedavid said:
The first day of the month was always a Saturday. So the eighth day was always a Sabbath day. Keep it simple.

Rubbish. Prove it.

Firstly, If the NEW MOON was created on the 4th Day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:14-19 and God's SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3 how can the SABBATH start on a NEW MOON?

klutedavid · Feb 18, 2019

ace of hearts said:
There are never more than 30 days in a lunar month. The first day of the lunar month is either our Saturday or Sunday depending on how you count. That means there is always at least 5 days not in the lunar calendar before the first day of the next month. Those 5 days are always in the solar calendar.

Actually I just checked and I was wrong earlier.
The start of the Lunar month is equivalent to our Saturday. As the eighth day on the lunar calendar is always a Sabbath. Which is the seventh day after the new moon.

The start of the lunar month was called the new moon day and that was a day of rest.

safswan · Feb 18, 2019

ace of hearts said:
So I've no idea why you insist the law is a requirement for the Christian other than misapplied quotes.

Where have you seen me say this?You must be mistaken.

ace of hearts said:
LK 24:44 is a direct reference to Mat 5:17-18.

I have shown this in my posts about the passage and have shown it means Jesus is fulfilling the prophecies in the Law and Prophets about Himself.It is not speaking of Him fulfilling any laws so they can pass away or so we don't have to observe them ourselves.

klutedavid · Feb 18, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Rubbish. Prove it.

Firstly, If the NEW MOON was created on the 4th Day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:14-19 and God's SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3 how can the SABBATH start on a NEW MOON?

How can there be a morning and an evening before the sun is created?

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

klutedavid said:
Actually I just checked and I was wrong earlier.
The start of the Lunar month is equivalent to our Saturday. As the eighth day on the lunar calendar is always a Sabbath.

Rubbish. Prove it.

Firstly, If the NEW MOON was created on the 4th Day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:14-19 and God's SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3 how can the SABBATH start on a NEW MOON?

The NEW MOON determines a NEW MONTH and does not reset the days of a week which are a continuous seven day weekly cycle and the NEW MOON does not always fall on the SEVENTH DAY on the HEBREW calander or our Saturday.

Only sent in love as a help to you brother.

safswan · Feb 18, 2019

ace of hearts said:
You've got none for yours either.

Do you even understand what I am responding to?

ace of hearts · Feb 18, 2019

klutedavid said:
In the papal calendar of Gregory, a month can have 28, 30, or 31 days. So the number of weeks in any month will vary according to the month selected.

So in January say we have 31 days which is 4 weeks plus three days.

In a lunar calendar the month starts at the new moon but only comprises 30 days. Then in January again, the lunar calendar only has 30 days and not 31 days.

The Gregorian or pope Gregory's calendar gives you an extra day in January. This means that when February starts in 2019 your first day will be a Friday.

Whereas in the lunar calendar the start of February (new moon) is equivalent to our February the 4th. You may be thinking these are not aligned and you may well be right.

So what day is the first day of February under a lunar calendar? Well its always called the first day with the equivalent Roman name of Sunday.

This is what confuses everyone, the lunar month starts on exactly the same first day every month, i.e., Sunday. But in the Gregorian calendar the first day of the month can be anyone of the seven days.

By now your starting to seriously realize that someone is wrong, someone is using the wrong calendar.

Thus if you follow a lunar calendar the Sabbaths are on exactly the same dates every month. Because the first day of the month is always Sunday. As I said before the eighth day of every lunar month is a Sabbath.

If you follow the papal calendar the Sabbath wiggles from one date to the next. Every month starts on a different day, February started on a Friday. Which means the papal Sabbath is on the 2nd of February.

Saturday on a lunar calendar is always the eighth day every month.

Saturday on a Gregorian calendar can be any one of a number of days, because it depends on when the month started.

It is not easy to understand, lunar calendars have 30 days every month and the days are the same every month. The first day, the second day, and so on.

Now if we look at a prophecy and the years are 3.5 years, we can quickly calculate the lunar day equivalent.

42 months * 30 days = 1260 days

1260 days looks a bit like scripture don't you think?

If we use the papal calendar we get.

42 months * (28,29,30,31)??? = well that does not compute. Because the papal month has a variable number of days.

I don't know about you but I can calculate prophetic numbers properly. I do not need to use a deceptive calculation.

That's what I promoted at first and had to regroup because of the numbers of the days. If the New Moon is a sabbath day on the grid of a month, it would be our Saturday. with the first weekly sabbath on the 8th with the second on the 15th and so on to the 29th.

WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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