WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

klutedavid · Feb 18, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
I think I know how we can test this maybe...?

What if we took a year from each calendar, and take ones that both start on the same day at the beginning of the year(s) say, Sunday, since that would be appropriate, then lets track and follow the days and weeks on both over a year, and see if and they are the same or not maybe...?

Now, Anyone happen to know what the outcome of that will be maybe possibly...? (cause I don't, not yet)...?

Then check the following or the beginnings of the next years after that too, and maybe we will be able to see and tell and test this for sure... See if there are any discrepencies maybe...?

God Bless!

The only discrepancy will be in the jumbled papal calendar. What with leap years and variable day counts each month, no wonder they are confused.

All lunar months are thirty day months.

All lunar months start after the new moon.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

klutedavid said:
The only discrepancy will be in the jumbled papal calendar. What with leap years and variable day counts each month, no wonder they are confused.

All lunar months are thirty day months.

All lunar months start after the new moon.

None of what you have posted have any impact on a 7 day weekly cycle. The same as you have no scripture or outside sources to show that the weekly cycle is reset every NEW MOON. Where are your scriptures and sources David? I have provided both scripture and outside sources all disagreeing with your claims that the week is reset every NEW MOON. You have providing nothing. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Neogaia777 · Feb 18, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
I think I know how we can test this maybe...?

What if we took a year from each calendar, and take ones that both start on the same day at the beginning of the year(s) say, Sunday, since that would be appropriate, then lets track and follow the days and weeks on both over a year, and see if and they are the same or not maybe...?

Now, Anyone happen to know what the outcome of that will be maybe possibly...? (cause I don't, not yet)...?

Then check the following or the beginnings of the next years after that too, and maybe we will be able to see and tell and test this for sure... See if there are any discrepencies maybe...?

God Bless!

Let's just try to determine the outcome of this little test I propose first, K...?

And while it should be pretty easy, I'm having a little trouble wrapping my mind around it and all of this right now and at the moment, so, would someone else care to maybe elaborate on this maybe, possibly...?

God Bless!

ace of hearts · Feb 18, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Well that has no truth in it. Where have I ever posted that LEVITICUS 23:2-3 is not about the Sabbath? If I have never made these claims or posted such things why

Nice response to Scripture.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

Kermos said:
Throughout your original post in your many words, you say that Jesus does not satisfy the law.

As posted ealier your words have no truth in them brother. This is sad for you. Please post where I have ever said in any one of my posts anywhere in this forum that JESUS does not satisfy the law? Now if you cannot provide a link to any post where I have said JESUS did not satisfy the law, why do you pretend that I have? This is simply bearing false witness against your brother especially as I have asked you more then once to show where I have ever said such things. This is sad for you. I will leave this between you and God. I have already forgiven you.

Kermos said:
Your words carry the implication. Your words express hyperbole. Your words of questions and your couching of the final paragraph taken together carry the meaning. Those questions are all your words, not God's Word. Fast forwarding, your 4th paragraph, 1st sentence carries precisely the same implication.

They were not my words I provide but God's WORD. God's WORD is not my words. The scriptures provided show that God's WORD does not teach lawlessness and JESUS came to save us from SIN not to continue to sin *JOHN 8:31-36. These are Gods' WORDS and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. These are God's WORD not my words. You are free to believe and do as you wish but we will all answer to God come judgment day. I do not judge you but his WORD will jugdge everything we say and do *JOHN 12:36; 47-48

Kermos said:
Behold, it is the context of your sentence to your words of your posts in this thread that makes clear the meaning of the 4th paragraph, 1st sentence. Your sentence expresses that you believe that Jesus does not satisfy the law

Sadly your bearing false witness even after I have already corrected you on your confused interpretation of what I posted earlier. This is sad for you brother especially after I already esplained to you what was being posted in post # 740 linked.

The 4th paragraph, 1st sentence in the earlier post says this..

LGW wrote; JESUS did not satisfy God's LAW so that we are free to break it (SIN).

The above is what I posted to you and does not say what you are claiming. It is saying JESUS satisfied the law but did not satisfy the law so we can continue to break it. I then posted back to you after you made the same claim last time that you are misunderstanding what is quoted to you. I posted this for your correction earlier thinking you misunderstood what was posted to you saying you either misunderstand what has been posted to you of your deliberately try to twist my words to try and say what they are not saying. Which is it? The sentence above does not say JESUS did not satisfy God's LAW and the prophets it says that he did not satisfy the law and the prophets so that we are free to break them as it says in the scripture. Then I posted the first part of MATTHEW 5:17 as a scripture proof; Think NOT that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets... MATTHEW 5:17. This claim of yours is sad for you even more sad for you knowing that I have already corrected your misunderstanding as now I see your only trying to dishonestly twist what I have posted to you because I have already corrected you on what was posted and the intent of what was posted to you. This is sad for you brother. I will leave this between you and God. I have already forgiven you.

Kermos said:
because you believe not keeping the 7th day sabbath is sin.

Let's make this very clear here. It is God's WORD alone that says the GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) under the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. These are God's WORD not my words.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Sorry friend, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. All those who continue in known unrepentand sin do not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN and need to be Born again in LOVE to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *JOHN 3:3-8. Whosoever is BORN og GOD does not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:9. Those who do so have not seen him or know him 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

usexpat97 said:
This is just as much nonsense as demanding the Scripture that says George Bush rightfully won the election over Al Gore. And, you know, man never landed on the moon, either. Show me the Scripture that shows they did. Only the Scripture is true.

Why do you need scripture. Where does it say anywhere that a Luna calandars NEW MOON changes the days in a weekly seven day cycle. This is a false statement. Please go ahead and show that the NEW MOON changes a weekly seven day cycle which is continuous.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

This is used all the time by SDA when they argue about the sabbath (really the day one worships on).And to mark days - verse 14.The first day of the month in the lunar calendar is also a sabbath and the first day of a week follows that sabbath. The first weekly sabbath is always 7 days later. The sabbath is always the same numbered day every month in the Jewish lunar calendar. More accurately I think it would be called a solar-lunar calendar.

I think the Jewish solar-lunar calendar met its final demise in the 4th century.

There is 11 days difference in strict solar and lunar yearly calendars. That's why there is a solar-lunar calendar. The lunar calendar is tied to the solar calendar to fix the lunar calendar to seasons.

Both calendars are generally 12 month calendars. The annual lunar calendar has an extra month every so often to correct the lunar months to the seasons.

In searching for a lunar calendar, all I can find so far are solar calendars (our current calendar system) with the lunar phases imposed on them.

Day and night were created on the first day of creation - Gen 1. Therefore I believe the phase of the moon was what we call the new moon in its phases (cycles). This would mean to me the 7th day of creation is actually the 6th day after the the first day of creation making a 7 day week the way I count. Some count the current day as day one. No matter how stated (counting) one in every 7 days is the sabbath.

So keep the new moon (a sabbath) and after 6 days of work keep a sabbath. I'm not trying to require sabbath keeping. That was a sign for Israel only.

It's clear to me the Gregorian calendar days (weeks) aren't the same weeks of the new moon (lunar) calendar. This is evidenced on all complete current day calendars in use today.

I used the Scripture to base this comments of this post.

Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.[/quote]So yes LGW I used Scripture and follow it, not tradition for the basis of this post.[/QUOTE]

The please provide scripture was in refernce to your claims that the NEW MOON changes the days of a weekly cycle to start a new Sabbath (7th day). Essentially your argument here is that we could be on the 3rd day of the week when a NEW MOON arrives and then it becomes the 7th day of the week. This claim cannot be shown anywhere in scripture or outside of it. Every thing your claiming here has no bases in truth accept the scripture that you misinterpret.

The luna calander according to God's WORD in GENESIS 1:14-19 shows that the luna calander was to show times and seasons. It was used to time the YEARLY ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. As posted earlier this has nothing to do with a weekly cycle which is a continual 7 day cycle that occours every seven days through out the year.

What is in question is your false claim that every month (NEW MOON) the days of the week changes when a weekly cycle is contineous and does not effect the numbering of the days of the week within a yearly cycle. You have been asked to provide scripture and like your friend you have provided none.

The marking of days in GENESIS 1:14 is in reference to marking the start of the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. It is not saying that at the NEW MOON the days of the week change.

Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

You have no scripture do you and you have provided none. Please show from scripture or elsewhere that at the start of every new MOON it is a SEVENTH DAY SABBATH and the weekly cycle which is continuous changes the days in the week?

If you cannot your teaching a false doctrine that has no basis in scripture or outside of it.

Hope this helps.

ace of hearts · Feb 18, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Now after 51 pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

Not many people like spam even in a can.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Convince is powerful.

Wiki

New moon
Some modern sects who are Sabbath keepers have suggested a Sabbath based on the New Moon citing Psalm 104:19 and Genesis 1:14 as a key prooftexts. Observers recognize the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month of the Hebrew Calendar as Sabbath days which should be observed.[13] They reject the 7 day week as non-biblical. The Lunar Sabbath theory is rejected by most Sabbatarian groups and Judaism as false and misleading.

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Goodness brother you only need to read GENESIS 1 to see that the Luna SABBATH theory is a false one. All you need to ask yourself is what day was the sun and the moon made that GENESIS 1:14-18 says was made to show the times and the seasons, the years and the days v14. God's WORD says that the Sun and the moon were made on the 4th DAY OF THE CREATION WEEK. Now what day was God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH MADE in the CREATIOIN WEEK?

GENESIS 2:1-3 says that
[1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Now if in the SEVENTH DAY of the creartion week God made the SABBATH and the Sun and the MOON were made on the 4th day of the week how can the SABBATH start on a NEW MOON when it was created 3 days latter?

This only further shows that your promoting a false teaching brother

*You can read more about the Luna Sabbath false teaching here click me; and here click me; and here click me; and here click me.

*Biblical Sabbath here click me (wiki)

Please feel free to prove from the scriptures that the NEW MOON changes the seven day weekly cycle and answer the question above in relation to how the making of the days in creation do not link to the Sabbath?

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

Hope this helps

Neogaia777 · Feb 18, 2019

klutedavid said:
The only discrepancy will be in the jumbled papal calendar. What with leap years and variable day counts each month, no wonder they are confused.

All lunar months are thirty day months.

All lunar months start after the new moon.

Didn't the Hebrews have their own ways, or system, of/for accounting for those kinds of things, I thought...?

And I was wondering if, as far as the weeks and days go, if there would be any kind of discrepancy at all, hence my little test that I propose...

God Bless!

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

ace of hearts said:
See my post above. You'll find the results of your goading.

There was no goading, simply stating you have provided no scripture to your claims that a NEW MOON changes the days of the week or a weekly cycle that is continuous. Please provide the scriptures? If you cannot why make claims that are not true?

If the NEW MOON was created on the 4th Day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:14-19 and the God's SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week how can the SABBATH start on a NEW MOON?

Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Excuse me. Where did I say both calendars have same day names? You're making up stuff not in my post.Excuse me. Where did any of us make this claim?

Did I read you wrong?

ace of hearts said: ↑ Then present evidence both calendars have the same week days such as the first day of the week is always the same day in both calendars. I don't think you can.

What did your post above mean?

ace of hearts said:
Next issue for me is your reference to Luna a Roman goddess. The rest of us are talking about the lunar calendar.I'm not pretending anything.See one of my above posts discussing calendars.

I made no reference to Luna a Roman Goddess. You post above does not provide any scripture or any support outside of God's WORD to show a NEW MOON changes the weekly cycle.

What is in question is your false claim that every month (NEW MOON) the days of the week changes when a weekly cycle is contineous and does not effect the numbering of the days of the week within a yearly cycle. You have been asked to provide scripture and you have provided none.

The marking of days in GENESIS 1:14 is in reference to marking the start of the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. It is not saying that at the NEW MOON the days of the week change.

Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

You have no scripture do you and you have provided none. Please show from scripture or elsewhere that at the start of every new MOON it is a SEVENTH DAY SABBATH and the weekly cycle which is continuous changes the days in the week?

If the NEW MOON was created on the 4th Day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:14-19 and the God's SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week how can the SABBATH start on a NEW MOON?

Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

This only further shows that your promoting a false teaching brother

You can read more about the Luna Sabbath false teaching here click me; and here click me; and here click me; and here click me.

*Biblical Sabbath here click me (wiki)

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

ace of hearts said:
No the date is based on the solar calendar which is continuous, not like the new moon calendar. The new moon calendar is superimposed on the solar calendar these days.

Rubbish. The yearly cycle is different as there are 354 days in the HEBREW calander (linked here; and here) From one year to the next it will throw out the FEAST DAYS to different dates linked and days from the previous year.

More info here click me

Sorry brother your statement has no basis in fact.

klutedavid · Feb 18, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Not at all read the post you are quoting from.

The NEW MOON is NOT God's SEVENTH DAY WEEKLY Sabbath of God's 4th commandment and never has been the same as it is not the resetting of a new week. The weekly cycle was never reset to Sunday or any other day on a NEW MOON because the weekly cycle is a 7 day continuous cycle.

Incorrect, a lunar month is different to a solar month. The papal calendar has a continuous weekly cycle but the lunar cycle starts at the new moon. Please read the scripture and start paying attention to the new moons.

Please provide your scripture or state your source that says that God's SEVENTH DAY WEEKLY Sabbath starts seven days after the NEW MOON.

So you wish to see some verses do you, lover of papal calendars.

Psalm 81:3
Saying, when will the new moon be over so that we may sell grain; and the sabbath, so that we may offer wheat for sale?

See that LGW, the new moon is the same as Sabbath, no one works on the new moon.

Ezekiel 46:1
Thus says the Lord God, “The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the six working days; but it shall be opened on the sabbath day and opened on the day of the new moon.

Once again, the new moon is the same as a Sabbath.

Amos 8:4-5
Hear this, you who swallow up the needy, and make the poor of the land fail. Saying: "When will the New Moon be past, that we may sell grain? And the Sabbath, that we may trade wheat?" Making the ephah small and the shekel large, falsifying the scales by deceit.

Yet again, no business on the day of the new moon.

2 Kings 4:23
So he said, "Why are you going to him today? It is neither New Moon nor Sabbath." And she said, "It is well".

Well you can't wander off except on a rest day and the new moon and the Sabbath are the same.

What Scripture does provide is indications that each month was 30 days in length.

- The chronology of the Flood appears to depict 30 day months. The passing of 150 days (Gen 7:24) appears to take us from the 17th day of the 2nd month (Gen 7:11) to the 17th day of the 7th month (Gen 8:4).

- The biblical account of the departure from Egypt to the declaring of the Mt Sinai commandments can be viewed in such a way to show the first and second months of God's calendar for that year were composed of 30 days each.

- Prophetic texts in the book of Revelation suggest 3.5 times(years) would equate to 42 months or 1260 days.

- In the book of Daniel the 'seven times' of Dan 4:16 has been explained as shadowing a greater prophetic period of 2,520 years, that is 7 years of 360 days per year.

- Other prophetic periods are also divisible by 30,
Ezek 4:5 - 390 days (equals 13 x 30 days)
Dan 12:11 - 1290 days (equals 43 x 30 days)
Dan 12:12 - 1335 days (equals 44.5 x 30 days)

If you have no Scripture or source why are you saying and teaching things that are not biblical and have no basis in scripture or fact? The NEW MOON was to start the beginning of the NEW MONTH not a new week. Get your facts right brother.

Where is the new moon in your calculations?

You know full well that the calendar of the Hebrews was a lunar calendar. The papal calendar did not arrive until the sixteenth century.

You have nothing to work with.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 18, 2019

ace of hearts said:
You're trying to impose a legalism required only of Israel.

Well that has no truth in it. We are in the NEW COVENANT now not the OLD COVENANT. God's ISRAEL are all those how BELIEVE and FOLLOW God' WORD. If you are no a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore all are one in Christ. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

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CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

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Sorry brother only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

ace of hearts · Feb 18, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Why do you need scripture. Where does it say anywhere that a Luna calandars NEW MOON changes the days in a weekly seven day cycle. This is a false statement. Please go ahead and show that the NEW MOON changes a weekly seven day cycle which is continuous.

There are never more than 30 days in a lunar month. The first day of the lunar month is either our Saturday or Sunday depending on how you count. That means there is always at least 5 days not in the lunar calendar before the first day of the next month. Those 5 days are always in the solar calendar.

klutedavid · Feb 18, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Rubbish. The yearly cycle is different as there are 354 days in the HEBREW calander (linked here; and here) From one year to the next it will throw out the FEAST DAYS to different dates linked and days from the previous year.

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Sorry brother your statement has no basis in fact.

There are not 354 days in a lunar year.

There are only thirty days in each of the twelve months. That works out to 360 days per year, now does that look like a biblical number or not?

Let's check your papal days in a year?

365 days in one papal year, well that's not in the scripture.

klutedavid · Feb 18, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Well that has no truth in it. We are in the NEW COVENANT now not the OLD COVENANT. God's ISRAEL are all those how BELIEVE and FOLLOW God' WORD. If you are no a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore all are one in Christ. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

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CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

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Sorry brother only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Talk about following the tradition of men!

You work with a papal calendar from 1548 AD. Then you accuse me of following the tradition of men. Someone is using the wrong calendar.

All agricultural societies in ancient times used lunar calendars.

As I said before, where is the new moon in your attempts to count the days?

safswan · Feb 18, 2019

klutedavid said:
So you accept that Israel was under a lunar calendar?

It makes no difference which calendar they were under.The fact is there is no scripture which supports your theory that the weekly cycle changed as the months changed.

The fact also is that scripture and history shows the weekly cycle has been preserved throughout the generations of Israel.The week is the basis of the reckoning of time as created by God.(Genesis 1:31; 2:1-4; Mark 2:27).The month is the institution which is used to reckon the seasons(Genesis 1:14;Psalm 104:19)and will allow Israel to properly observe the yearly festivals/feasts.It has nothing to do with the weekly cycle.(See,Numbers 10:10;Leviticus 23.)

ace of hearts · Feb 18, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Indeed but how does a calander support any claims your making or that others are making here? They do not. Some are claiming that a NEW MOON is when a SEVENTH DAY Sabbath starts. There is no scripture for this claim. What else can be claimed through the calanders? Nothing because they do not effect a 7 day week cycle that is contineous.

All holy days begin and end on the sabbath.

WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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