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Hi BABerean,
Rev. 13: 5 the beast rules for 42 months. Also Matt. 24: 21 the great tribulation.
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Hi BABerean,
Rev. 13: 5 the beast rules for 42 months. Also Matt. 24: 21 the great tribulation.
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Hi mygal,
`Behold, He is coming with clouds, and EVERY EYE will see Him,....` (Rev. 1:7)
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Hi mygal,
Such wonderful scriptures with amazing truth. It tells us that the Lord Jesus Christ has been seated with the Father far above all, and everything has been put under His feet. However.....it does not say that at that time the Lord has taken that authority and reigned.
Hear what the 24 elders sing -
`We give you thanks, O Lord God Almighty, the one who is and who was and who is to come, because you have taken your great power and reigned. The nations were angry and your wrath has come.` (Rev. 11: 17 & 18)
Just because the Lord Jesus is given authority and power above all, does not mean that He exercises it just then, for the Father says for Him to wait until He has all enemies under His feet. (Ps. 110:1) It is then that the Lord Jesus begins to operate in His great power and authority putting down all rule and authority. (1 Cor. 15: 24)
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What does the Bible say is His "last enemy"?
I agree - but I think we disagree as to when that was (you seem to still be waiting for that). I'm disheartened, to be honest, to read this so often on this forum - that people don't recognize Christ as already defeating His last enemy.
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A Greek Orthodox tradition:
Quoting article titled, Trampling Down Death by Death:
I shall never forget the beauty, wonder and spiritual culture shock the first time I experienced an Orthodox Resurrection service.
At the stroke of midnight, a bell rings and all the lights are extinguished except for those of the clergy, who begin to chant three times with increasing volume:
I shall never forget the beauty, wonder and spiritual culture shock the first time I experienced an Orthodox Resurrection service.
At the stroke of midnight, a bell rings and all the lights are extinguished except for those of the clergy, who begin to chant three times with increasing volume:
Thy Resurrection, O Christ Savior, the angels in the heavens sing;
enable us on earth to glorify Thee in purity of heart!
The priest emerges from the altar with a huge candle, wearing royal robes and a diadem. In this liturgical passion play—the drama of redemption—he is playing the part of Christ. He sings,
The Light shines in the darkness and the darkness is not overcome. Come ye and receive the light.
And with that someone lights their candle from his, then passes it on. Gradually, as candle lights candle, the whole sanctuary is illuminated and radiates the truth that in us, the glory of the Lord spreads from sea to sea and across the globe.
I fall into procession as the priest leads us out of the building. Bear in mind, I have no idea what’s coming next. We all join in the song as we walk slowly,
Thy Resurrection, O Christ Savior, the angels in the heavens sing;
enable us on earth to glorify Thee in purity of heart.
As we circumnavigate the church, my candle gives way to the wind or my stumbling, but others quickly relight it. I note how this is not unlike my faith journey at times through this present darkness. Finally, after circling the temple three times, the priest stands before the front doors. He reads a gospel text that announces the discovery of the empty tomb.
He pounds on the door three times and cries out,
Lift up your gates, O ye princes;
and be ye lifted up, ye everlasting gates,
and the King of Glory shall enter in.
Someone behind the closed doors responds,
Who is this King of Glory?
And the priest replies, with boldness,
The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord, mighty in war.
Lift up your gates, O ye princes; and be ye lifted up, ye everlasting gates,
and the King of Glory shall enter in.
Again, from inside,
Who is this King of Glory?
And the priest, loudly,
The Lord of hosts, He is the King of Glory.
Again he pounds on the door and the dialogue is repeated. There are layers to this engagement. One way to see it is Christ entering his temple; but more poignant to the moment is that he is confronting the princes (Hades and Satan), shattering the gates of hades and binding the strongman to plunder his goods. Christ enters death, by death, to overcome death for us all.
The doors swing open and the congregation streams into the church with our candles. Once we are all in, a chant begins—repeatedly and rising in intensity:
Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death,
And upon those in the tombs bestowing life.
These words of victory rise as a ringing refrain that will be repeated again and again throughout the next three hours. This is the central confession of the Eastern Church: The divine Word and second person of the Trinity assumes human nature in the one Person, Jesus Christ, and suffers death to vanquish death. Gustaf Aulen would later refer to this as an atonement theory he called Christus Victor. The Orthodox faithful would raise an objection or two to that designation.
First, Christ’s victory over Satan, sin and death by his death and resurrection is not an atonement theory. It is the gospel proclaimed in the New Testament. It is no theory that Christ defeated death and rose from the grave in power: it is the faith once delivered by Christ to the apostles that we proclaim.
Second, Orthodoxy certainly does speak in terms of victory. But let no one imagine this victory in terms of a dualistic cosmology that takes two competing sides deep into extra time. In Canada, we would call this a ‘trouncing.’ Throughout the Paschal liturgy, we hear the ancient and triumphant theology of the same fathers who gave us our New Testament and Creeds,
Let God arise and let His enemies be scattered,
and let them that hate Him flee from before His face.
Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death,
and upon those in the tombs bestowing life.
As smoke vanishes, so let them vanish, as wax melts before the fire. ~ “Trampling Down Death by Death”: Reflections on the Orthodox Resurrection Service - Theological Miscellany
enable us on earth to glorify Thee in purity of heart!
The priest emerges from the altar with a huge candle, wearing royal robes and a diadem. In this liturgical passion play—the drama of redemption—he is playing the part of Christ. He sings,
The Light shines in the darkness and the darkness is not overcome. Come ye and receive the light.
And with that someone lights their candle from his, then passes it on. Gradually, as candle lights candle, the whole sanctuary is illuminated and radiates the truth that in us, the glory of the Lord spreads from sea to sea and across the globe.
I fall into procession as the priest leads us out of the building. Bear in mind, I have no idea what’s coming next. We all join in the song as we walk slowly,
Thy Resurrection, O Christ Savior, the angels in the heavens sing;
enable us on earth to glorify Thee in purity of heart.
As we circumnavigate the church, my candle gives way to the wind or my stumbling, but others quickly relight it. I note how this is not unlike my faith journey at times through this present darkness. Finally, after circling the temple three times, the priest stands before the front doors. He reads a gospel text that announces the discovery of the empty tomb.
He pounds on the door three times and cries out,
Lift up your gates, O ye princes;
and be ye lifted up, ye everlasting gates,
and the King of Glory shall enter in.
Someone behind the closed doors responds,
Who is this King of Glory?
And the priest replies, with boldness,
The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord, mighty in war.
Lift up your gates, O ye princes; and be ye lifted up, ye everlasting gates,
and the King of Glory shall enter in.
Again, from inside,
Who is this King of Glory?
And the priest, loudly,
The Lord of hosts, He is the King of Glory.
Again he pounds on the door and the dialogue is repeated. There are layers to this engagement. One way to see it is Christ entering his temple; but more poignant to the moment is that he is confronting the princes (Hades and Satan), shattering the gates of hades and binding the strongman to plunder his goods. Christ enters death, by death, to overcome death for us all.
The doors swing open and the congregation streams into the church with our candles. Once we are all in, a chant begins—repeatedly and rising in intensity:
Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death,
And upon those in the tombs bestowing life.
These words of victory rise as a ringing refrain that will be repeated again and again throughout the next three hours. This is the central confession of the Eastern Church: The divine Word and second person of the Trinity assumes human nature in the one Person, Jesus Christ, and suffers death to vanquish death. Gustaf Aulen would later refer to this as an atonement theory he called Christus Victor. The Orthodox faithful would raise an objection or two to that designation.
First, Christ’s victory over Satan, sin and death by his death and resurrection is not an atonement theory. It is the gospel proclaimed in the New Testament. It is no theory that Christ defeated death and rose from the grave in power: it is the faith once delivered by Christ to the apostles that we proclaim.
Second, Orthodoxy certainly does speak in terms of victory. But let no one imagine this victory in terms of a dualistic cosmology that takes two competing sides deep into extra time. In Canada, we would call this a ‘trouncing.’ Throughout the Paschal liturgy, we hear the ancient and triumphant theology of the same fathers who gave us our New Testament and Creeds,
Let God arise and let His enemies be scattered,
and let them that hate Him flee from before His face.
Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death,
and upon those in the tombs bestowing life.
As smoke vanishes, so let them vanish, as wax melts before the fire. ~ “Trampling Down Death by Death”: Reflections on the Orthodox Resurrection Service - Theological Miscellany
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A bit more. I appreciate how Sam Allberry articulates this:
The resurrection is the outworking and proof of our salvation because death is the outworking and proof of our sin. Jesus’s new life shows us the cycle of sin and death has finally been broken. There is new life to be had. Sin has been conquered.
It is therefore the resurrection of Jesus—and can only be the resurrection of Jesus—that assures us of salvation. Only the resurrection proves that our sins have been fully dealt with, that death is no longer our destination but a gateway to perfect, endless life. ~ Death Is Dead, Christ Has Conquered
It is therefore the resurrection of Jesus—and can only be the resurrection of Jesus—that assures us of salvation. Only the resurrection proves that our sins have been fully dealt with, that death is no longer our destination but a gateway to perfect, endless life. ~ Death Is Dead, Christ Has Conquered
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Hi mkgal,
Yes we know God`s word says `death` is the final enemy. (1 cor. 15: 26)
Also we know that Jesus defeated Satan & his demons, but He has NOT sent them to the pit or lake of fire yet.
`Christ....having disarmed principalities and power, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.` (Col. 2: 15)
The principalities and powers (Satan & his demons) are defeated in regards to our salvation, however Satan still holds sway over the world system & its people. The Lord will yet deal with all that.
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An entity cannot "hold sway" when it's been defeated and disarmed. I don't think that's how it works.
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Hi mkgal,
`We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the SWAY of the wicked one.` (1 John 5: 19)
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Something interesting about the translations of that verse is that, in the original Greek, there is no words of "power" and "control" mentioned (and the word "one" in "wicked one" is not there either).
The King James actually does a better job translating this passage closer to the original Greek - as the original word in Greek is a substantival adjective, which means an adjective is used in the place of a noun (like in the Clint Eastwood movie, The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly ).
Working from the original Greek - 1 John 5:19 says:
We know
that we are of God,
and that the whole
world
lies
in πονηρῷ
(ponērō) 4190 = wickedness
Link to Lexicon ----->1 John 5:19 Lexicon: We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
This passage is very similar to what John wrote earlier, that we are all sinners (1 John 1:10).....but we have an advocate in Christ Jesus (1 John 2:1)....and He has overcome the world (1 John 5:4).
King James 2000 1 John 5:19-20 ~ And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in wickedness.
And we know that the Son of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
1 John 5:4 ~ For whoever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith.
And we know that the Son of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
1 John 5:4 ~ For whoever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith.
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Another thought about this translation: IF this were true - that the WHOLE WORLD lies under the sway (influence) of the wicked one.....then how would ANYONE come to believe in Christ?
I'm not understanding why a person would wish to defend and cling so tightly to the idea that this whole world is controlled by Satan right now (how would they be excluding their self from that?).
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Hi mkgal,
Good question there. The Holy Spirit draws people to the Lord, and when they turn to Jesus then it is His life within that overcomes the world.
Remember that it is Satan and his fallen angels that get cast out of the Principalities and Powers area (universe) in the middle of the trib. (Rev. 12: 7 - 12)
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Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
(The verse above is past tense. It happened about 2,000 years ago. See Psalm 2.)
2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
The 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:15-18 prove this fact.
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The Greek word for reign is present tense in this verse. Jesus was presently reigning when Paul wrote Corinthians.
1 Corinthians 15:25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
Jesus, when revelation was written, was already ruler of the kings of the earth while in heaven.
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
Christ is a priest after the order of Melchizedek forever
Hebrews 7:1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High.
Hebrews 6:20 where Jesus our forerunner has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever in the order of Melchizedek
David prophesied of THE RESURRECTION when he knew that God would set a descendent on his throne.
Acts 2:30-31 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne. Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His body see decay
Thus, the resurrection and ascension of Christ to heaven fulfilled there never lacking a man to sit on the throne of Dave and never lacking a priest to be before God.
Jeremiah 33:17-18 For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, nor will the priests who are Levites ever fail to have a man before Me to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to present sacrifices.”
You do realize your creating a logical contradiction with your belief, right?
As soon as you put that Christ only "reigns" AFTER his enemies have been made a footstool, you create a logical contradiction.
Acts 2:34-35 For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”’
1 Corinthians 15:25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
Simply put, Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father, as King of kings, reigning until his enemies have been make a footstool.
You have yet to address the logical contradiction you are creating.
Jesus, who has all authority in heaven and on earth, who is King of the ages, even as you agree, is not currently reigning? I disagree. I also disagree that Jesus is still in his fleshly, earthly body in the heavens.
Jesus was promised that his flesh would never see decay. Thus when Jesus rose from the dead, he rose in his same flesh after 3 days.
Acts 2:27 because You will not abandon my soul to Hades, nor will You let Your Holy One see decay.
Unlike Jesus, believers are never promised that our current flesh will never see decay. Thus, Paul clearly states that our resurrection is from natural body to spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:42-44 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
So is Jesus still in the flesh in Heaven or was He glorified? I would argue he is no longer in the flesh, but glorified, because of what John says. Notice, John states what will be like (which I would argue is in the resurrection) has NOT yet been revealed. But when Christ appears we will be like him and see him as HE IS. The "he is" is present tense.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.
Revelation 1:12-16 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was One like the Son of Man, dressed in a long robe, with a golden sash around His chest.The hair of His head was white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes were like a blazing fire. His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and His voice was like the roar of many waters. He held in His right hand seven stars, and a sharp double-edged sword came from His mouth. His face was like the sun shining at its brightest
The scriptures and rules of grammar disagree with you. "reign" in this verse is present tense.
1 Corinthians 15:25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
Correct, we see that the greek word for reign in this verse you posted is aorist indicative active. In other words its a past action.
I agree with the exception of the millennium. I believe Jesus to be ruling NOW and ever since his resurrection and ascension to the "3rd heaven".
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There are some things about the body of Christ that we may not understand.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Did Adam and Eve have a body of some type before the fall?
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This may be another topic, but Claninja did point out that this answer has NOT yet been revealed (so all we can do is speculate) - and, like you posted, BABerean, that there are some things about His body that we may not understand.
It makes sense to me that Christ is now in His glorified state - and that prior to the fall - Adam and Eve were also in a glorified body (of some sort).
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I don't disagree - but, again - we do disagree on timing.
The framework that I see that relates to Revelation 12 has to do with Jesus' life - the "birth" of the church (fleeing to the desert - flight to Pella for 3 1/2 years ) and the church's victory over "the accuser" through the blood of the Lamb. Death had no power over the martyrs. As followers of the the Lamb, they were saved - that's what "won the battle". Any accusations against us - the church - that our sin will bring us death are lies (as satan is the "father of lies" - John 8:44).
If you are still waiting for Revelation 12 to be fulfilled, then it would mean you're still waiting for salvation - as that's what that passage speaks of:
Revelation 12:10 ~
“It has come at last—
salvation and power
and the Kingdom of our God
and the authority of his Christ "
“It has come at last—
salvation and power
and the Kingdom of our God
and the authority of his Christ "
The battle is already won.
Luke 10:16-18 ~
16 Then he said to the disciples, “Anyone who accepts your message is also accepting me. And anyone who rejects you is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting God, who sent me.”
17 When the seventy-two disciples returned, they joyfully reported to him, “Lord, even the demons obey us when we use your name!”
18 “Yes,” He told them, “I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning!19 Look, I have given you authority over all the power of the enemy, and you can walk among snakes and scorpions and crush them. Nothing will injure you. 20 But don’t rejoice because evil spirits obey you; rejoice because your names are registered in heaven.”
16 Then he said to the disciples, “Anyone who accepts your message is also accepting me. And anyone who rejects you is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting God, who sent me.”
17 When the seventy-two disciples returned, they joyfully reported to him, “Lord, even the demons obey us when we use your name!”
18 “Yes,” He told them, “I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning!19 Look, I have given you authority over all the power of the enemy, and you can walk among snakes and scorpions and crush them. Nothing will injure you. 20 But don’t rejoice because evil spirits obey you; rejoice because your names are registered in heaven.”
Matthew Henry's commentary on Revelation 12 ~ Revelation 12 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete)
"It is generally agreed by the most learned expositors that the narrative we have in this and the two following chapters, from the sounding of the seventh trumpet to the opening of the vials, is not a prediction of things to come, but rather a recapitulation and representation of things past, which, as God would have the apostle to foresee while future, he would have him to review now that they were past, that he might have a more perfect idea of them in his mind, and might observe the agreement between the prophecy and that Providence that is always fulfilling the scriptures. In this chapter we have an account of the contest between the church and antichrist, the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. I. As it was begun in heaven (v. 1-11). II. As it was carried on in the wilderness (v. 12, etc.)."
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Amen to that brother. What we will be has not yet been revealed to us. But when we rise, we will be like him and see him as He is.
Why did Jesus rise from natural body to natural body, but Paul states that when we rise it's from natural body to spiritual body? I believe there are 2 main reason (known reasons; there probably a lot of unknown reasons as well, but that is for God):
1.) As a visual testimony of the power of the resurrection, because the spiritual is unseen:
1 Corinthians 15:4-7 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
2.) To fulfill scripture that Jesus' flesh would never see decay. If Jesus' flesh remained in the tomb and decayed but Jesus was raised into a spiritual body, scripture would not have been fulfilled.
Acts 2:27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption.
Because John states that what we will be has not yet been revealed, but that we would be like Jesus when it is, I would argue that Jesus is not currently in his earthly fleshly body, because that was already revealed to the disciples prior to his ascension. I believe Jesus to be glorified now.
But that is not matter of salvation, just my opinion based on an interpretation of scripture.
I believe they had the same earthly, fleshly body that Abraham, Moses, Jesus, You, and I have.
However, unlike Adam, Eve, Abraham, Moses, You, or I, only Jesus' flesh was promised to never see decay.
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Context. Keep reading.Marilyn C said:
Revelation 12:13-14 ~ When the dragon realized that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle so she could fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness. There she would be cared for and protected from the dragon for a time, times, and half a time.
Luke 21:20-22 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies.. then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it; for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written.” RSV
Pella ruins
Quoting Eusebius: “The members of the Jerusalem church by means of an oracle, given by revelation to acceptable persons there, were ordered to leave the city before the war began and settle in a town in Peraea called Pella.” Book III, 5:4
Quoting Ray Vander Laan -->
In AD 68, the campaign halted due to the suicide of Nero. As Josephus had predicted (a prediction that apparently spared his life), Vespasian became emperor. He left his son Titus to complete the campaign against Jerusalem.
The situation in Jerusalem was horrible. Several factions of Zealots converged on the city, having been defeated elsewhere. They blamed each other for their defeats. One group controlled the Temple Mount and appointed their own priest. When the Sadducee priests resisted, they were slaughtered along with 8,500 of their supporters. The sewers of the city ran with Jewish blood. Simon Bar Giora, another self-proclaimed messiah, entered the city and fought the Zealots. Confusion and terror reigned. Jerusalem was divided into three sections, each fighting the other as the Romans tightened the noose. Apparently, the Christian community, possibly remembering Jesus' words (Matt. 24:15-16), fled to the mountain regions east of the country.
In the spring of AD 70, Titus arrived outside Jerusalem. His army now numbered 80,000 or more. Titus breached the third wall near the end of May and slaughtered the people of that part of the city. Five days later, the second wall fell. Half of the city belonged to the Romans. In July, the Romans built a siege wall around the city to prevent escape and to starve the citizenry. ~ The Jewish Revolts
Quoting linked article ---->Jesus, while looking over the temple mount in Jerusalem shortly before his death, prophesied that its beautiful stones would be thrown down within a generation. He warned that the residents should flee Jerusalem to the mountains when they saw the Roman armies surrounding the city. Jesus’ admonition is found in each of the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew 24:15–22; Mark 13:14–20; Luke 21:20–24). Perhaps Jesus visited Pella during his visit to the Decapolis (Mark 7:31) and Perea (Matthew 19:1; Mark 10:1), and recalling its secure location, cryptically referred to it in this prophecy. Eusebius’s Church History (3.5.3) recounts that the Jewish followers of Jesus heeded his warning and fled to Pella for safety before Jerusalem’s destruction. ~ Pella: A Window on Survival - Biblical Archaeology Society
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Hi mkgal,
I see that that verse on Salvation is referring to the tribulation saints, & not the Body of Christ. We see differently on that. Also I see Revelation/unveiling, as the unveiling of Christ as He is known in the heavenly realms. And thus we see the Lord as Head of the Body, the Heir of the world, the mediator of the new covenant, (to Israel) and the Judge and Creator of all things new.
The Body of Christ`s purpose is not in the trib, but just the Lord dealing with Israel and the nations.
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