What is the significance of infant baptism?

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Eternal security is a biblical truth...

Well Whoopy Doo!!
I'm saved today!!
I couuldn't have been yesterday,
cause yesterday I didn't pray
for God to wash my sins away.
So now today my sins are gone
and I'm adopted like a son
and I can sin whate're betide
with OSAS as my guide.

Good luck with that!
 
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Have you changed your mind about no longer commenting in this thread, or do you not keep your promises?

Here:

And Here:

And Here:

It is a good job God keeps His promise, but do you believe Him?

By all means read and learn, but please don't contribute unless you can post something more worthy of inclusion in the debate than this. Your cooperation would be much appreciated, especially since it was you who rather rudely 'promised' you would no longer participate.
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Actually I said I am finished and I meant with YOU! By that I meant I was finished trying to help YOUR understanding.

2 Timothy 2:23-24........
"But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the LORD must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

2 Timothy 2:14 .........…
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the LORD that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers."

Several wonderfully Bible educated people are still involved in that effort I will support them in any way that seems appropriate. YOU my friend have NO authority or right in any way to try and bully anyone into to not doing or saying what ever they choose to do.
So then, save your rhetoric and nonsense for someone who actually cares what you have to say.


However, after I said I was finished arguing with you, YOU said in comment #275...

"Now I know what Jesus was up against. Luke 11:54.

I'm done with this too. Prov.26:4-5. Either way is futile. There is no point in going on with it, my patience is not inexhaustable."

So did YOU forget you said that?
Did YOU mean what you said?


I am trying to figure out just who in the world do you think that you are.
 
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The verse you are attempting to make reference to is found below.
No interpretation is necessary for those who can read.



Galatians 3:16

(CJB) Now the promises were made to Avraham and to his seed. It doesn't say, "and to seeds," as if to many; on the contrary, it speaks of one -- "and to your seed" -- and this "one" is the Messiah.

(ESV) Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.

(Geneva) Nowe to Abraham and his seede were the promises made. Hee saith not, And to the seedes, as speaking of many: but, And to thy seede, as of one, which is Christ.

(Greek NT TR) τω δε αβρααμ ερρηθησαν αι επαγγελιαι και τω σπερματι αυτου ου λεγει και τοις σπερμασιν ως επι πολλων αλλ ως εφ ενος και τω σπερματι σου ος εστιν χριστος

(GW) The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his descendant. Scripture doesn't say, "descendants," referring to many, but "your descendant," referring to one. That descendant is Christ.

(LITV-TSP) But the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his Seed (it does not say, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," which is Christ). Gen. 12:7, 13:15; 17:7, 8; 24:7

(KJV) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

(KJV+) NowG1161 to AbrahamG11 andG2532 hisG846 seedG4690 were theG3588 promisesG1860 made.G4483 He saithG3004 not,G3756 AndG2532 to seeds,G4690 asG5613 ofG1909 many;G4183 butG235 asG5613 ofG1909 one,G1520 AndG2532 to thyG4675 seed,G4690 whichG3739 isG2076 Christ.G5547

(NKJV) Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "AND TO YOUR SEED," who is Christ.

(YLT) and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; He doth not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to thy seed,' which is Christ;

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Circumcision of the heart applies to those in the New Covenant, through their individual faith in Christ. It is not about their grandparents.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?


Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

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Excellent response!
 
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Missionaries, who go into remote parts of the world, would laugh at your argument above about parents, and grandparents.

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Agreed and you are absolulty correct, in fact I am in Centrl Florida and I am laughing right now!

And if anyone would like the names and locations of some missionaries who would be glad to validate your posting, just let me know and I will be glad to post them.
 
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Actually I said I am finished! By that I meant I was finished trying to help YOUR understanding.

What you say is plausible. I'll take your word for it.

2 Timothy 2:23-24
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"But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the LORD must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

I think it is not I that do 'gender strifes'. I have been explaining the significance of infant baptism, as requested in the thread title, expounding the Biblical basis for it. It has been you and others like you that have been 'attacking' on the supposed grounds that infant baptism "has no biblical foundation". It is yourselves therefore who are 'contending'. I however am merely stating the scriptural reasons that some of us who do so, give for baptising infants, and citing our Biblical reasons for continuing to do so, while others do not contibute but merely snipe.

2 Timothy 2:14
.........…
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the LORD that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers."

Several wonderfully Bible educated people are still involved in that effort I will support them in any way that seems appropriate. YOU my friend have NO authority or right in any way to try and bully anyone into to not doing or saying what ever they choose to do.

So then, save your rhetoric and nonsense for someone who actually cares what you have to say.

And you think that your attitude is gentle, patient and not subversive. I'm glad you think so.

However, after I said I was finished arguing with you, YOU said in comment #275...

"Now I know what Jesus was up against. Luke 11:54.

I'm done with this too. Prov.26:4-5. Either way is futile. There is no point in going on with it, my patience is not inexhaustable."

Quite so! My patience with you is not yet exhausted, though you're vexation is sorely testing my spirit. Eccl.1:17; Eccl.4:6 I certainly have both my hands full with you, it seems. :amen:

"As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly. And listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, for they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggresive persons, for they are vexatious to the spirit." Desiderata.
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Now we know the source of your Bible doctrine.

It is a work of fiction, from a man's imagination...


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My only question is...…….How did it take you so long to figure that out?
 
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Jn.10:27.

That is both interesting and telling at the very same time.

A flock follows its shepherd to pastures and streams as seen in John 10:3. Christians not only obey Christ, but they imitate him; they go where his Spirit and providence lead them; they yield themselves to his guidance, and seek to be led by him. When Jesus was upon earth many of his disciples followed or attended him from place to place.

Hence, Christians are called his followers, and in Revelation 14:4 they are described as “they that follow the Lamb.”
 
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That is both interesting and telling at the very same time.

A flock follows its shepherd to pastures and streams as seen in John 10:3. Christians not only obey Christ, but they imitate him; they go where his Spirit and providence lead them; they yield themselves to his guidance, and seek to be led by him. When Jesus was upon earth many of his disciples followed or attended him from place to place.

Hence, Christians are called his followers, and in Revelation 14:4 they are described as “they that follow the Lamb.”

Another 'eggs sucking lesson I suppose'. :wave: Grannies get fed up with it too?
 
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What you say is plausible. I'll take your word for it.



I think it is not I that do 'gender strifes'. I have been explaining the significance of infant baptism, as requested in the thread title, expounding the Biblical basis for it. It has been you and others like you that have been 'attacking' on the supposed grounds that infant baptism "has no biblical foundation". It is yourselves therefore who are 'contending'. I however am merely stating the scriptural reasons that some of us who do so, give for baptising infants, and citing our Biblical reasons for continuing to do so, while others do not contibute but merely snipe.



And you think that your attitude is gentle, patient and not subversive. I'm glad you think so.



Quite so! My patience with you is not yet exhausted, though you're vexation is sorely testing my spirit. Eccl.1:17; Eccl.4:6 I certainly have both my hands full with you, it seems. :amen:

"As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly. And listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, for they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggresive persons, for they are vexatious to the spirit." Desiderata.
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Titus 3:9...…....
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
 
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Well Whoopy Doo!!
I'm saved today!!
I couuldn't have been yesterday,
cause yesterday I didn't pray
for God to wash my sins away.
So now today my sins are gone
and I'm adopted like a son
and I can sin whate're betide
with OSAS as my guide.


Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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Titus 3:9...…....
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

So the genealogies of Jesus Christ in the gospels are "unprofitable and worthless" now, according to your exegesis. Whhooooa!
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So the genealogies of Jesus Christ in the gospels are "unprofitable and worthless" now, according to your exegesis. Whhooooa!
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Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

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Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

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That Holy Spirit of promise again I see. But you don't believe God's promises, do you?

IF you keep my comandments THEN ye shall abide in my love. Do you think Jesus effortlessly kept His Fathers commandments? HE SWEATED BLOOD for you, you ungrateful wretch.
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So the genealogies of Jesus Christ in the gospels are "unprofitable and worthless" now, according to your exegesis. Whhooooa!
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My dear friend…...I did not say that. You just placed you thoughts into my mouth.
Paul wrote those Scriptures with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I had nothing to do with it except to post it for you to encourage you to try and be less argumentative. No more and no less.

The Apostle Paul is the one who characterises them as “foolish,” because they were of an utterly unpractical nature, and consumed time and powers which were needed for other and better things.

The “contentions” were disputes and wranglings which arose out of arguments advanced by different teachers upon the “questions” and “genealogies.”

The “strivings about the law” were, most probably, arguments suggested by disputed and intricate points connected with the law of Moses. In the Talmud we possess unnumbered instances of all these strange and curious inquiries about which men then gravely disputed and wrangled, but none of which could in any way teach men how to make life more beautiful and loving, more like that fair pattern which St. Paul’s Master loved.

St. Paul, well versed—thanks to his early and elaborate training—in all this useless, curious lore, once and for all would expel from orthodox Christian teaching everything which seemed to bear upon this favourite Jewish theology—so called. It had, cancer-like, eaten the life out of Judaism; it should not, if he could prevent it, poison in like manner the young life of Christianity.
 
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Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

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He was obviously talking to those 'self supposed children of Abraham', who had 'uncircumcised HEARTS'. I'm beginning to think I am in the same predicament.
 
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That Holy Spirit of promise again I see. But you don't believe God's promises, do you?

IF you keep my comandments THEN ye shall abide in my love. Do you think Jesus effortlessly kept His Fathers commandments? HE SWEATED BLOOD for you, you ungrateful wretch.
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You said...……
"But you don't believe God's promises, do you?"

YOU just did it again!!!!! HE DID NOT SAY THAT...…..YOU DID!!
 
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