WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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I think he believes if he repeats it enough we'll believe it or just fade away. He thinks that will establish what he promotes as truth.

As posted earlier, ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Does this not worry you?
 
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Yep, not now and it never effects the days of the week or the weekly cycle.
Except the Sabbath falls on the same days every month under a lunar calendar. Under the papal calendar the false Sabbath falls on different days every month. Can you spot the fake?

Join me LGW, we will celebrate the new moon together. That way we will know exactly when the Biblical month starts. We already know the Sabbath days in every month because they always fall on the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th.

The lunar calendar is so easy.
 
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Your claim is Lev 23:2-3 isn't about the sabbath. It says - "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest..." You can call me a liar about it all you want.

Well that has no truth in it. Where have I ever posted that LEVITICUS 23:2-3 is not about the Sabbath? If I have never made these claims or posted such things why
 
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Now after 51 pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

...................

Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...
 
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As posted earlier, ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Does this not worry you?
The teaching of men is a papal calendar, what more needs to be said.
 
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Now after 51 pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

...................

Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...
No challenge here because you don't adhere to Biblical Sabbaths anyway.
 
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Except the Sabbath falls on the same days every month under a lunar calendar.

As posted earlier please provide proof to your startement. You cannot can you. This is a false teaching. Where are the scriptures that say that God's 4th Commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH starts every full MOON under a Luna calander?
 
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Not at all. The NEW COVENANT replaces the OLD COVENANT. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.
Can we (ever) do it perfectly...? (obey the "entire law")...? (because that is the requirement and obligation)... and then are we to spend the rest of our christian lives obsessing over this or that or these things...? That's not walking in or having the Holy Spirit of God or His presence... or the way to walk the Christian walk or live the Christian life with God...

The Law, and works of the Law, makes us conscious of sin, (and feeds the flesh), and I'd rather not be, if I can ever get there, I know it will only come by following and walking after the Spirit though...

God Bless!
 
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Can we (ever) do it perfectly...? (obey the "entire law")...? (because that is the requirement and obligation)... and then are we to spend the rest of our christian lives obsessing over this or that or these things...? That's not walking in or having the Holy Spirit of God or His presence... or the way to walk the Christian walk or live the Christian life...

God Bless!

JESUS says;
1, I am the true vine, and my Father is the farmer.
2, Every branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away: and every branch that bears fruit, he purges it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3, Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken to you.
4, Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me.
5, I am the vine, you are the branches: He that stays in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing.
6, If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7, If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you.
8, Herein is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit; so shall you be my disciples.

and again...

31, Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
32, And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33, They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
34, Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
35, And the servant stays not in the house for ever: but the Son stays ever.
36, If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

Salvation is from sin brother as we learn to walk in God's SPIRIT. This is the good news of the Gospel to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. This is not what we are taught from the teachings of men but the Word of God.

Salvation is not to continue in sin. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

God bless
 
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You know what? I kinda like your simple defense calling people a liar. Makes things easy.

I have not called anyone a liar. I have only posted God's WORD that disagrees with your words. Your argument is with God not me.
 
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Nothing for you because you simply ignore it.

Not really God's WORD has been provided for all of your posts. We have looked at your posts section by section and scripture by scripture and you have been shown the context you have left out of your interpretation of the scriptures. When these are posted and shared with you in love you choose to ignore them and do not respond to the scriptures and the posts that disagree with you. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.
 
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I'm beginning to think and believe you're trying to get people eliminated as a mod or other staff member. You certainly seem to be untouchable by the rules here at CF.

No need to state things that are not true here brother. I have only provided God's WORD that disagrees with your words. Do you have any scriptures to share?
 
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What? still no interest. What a dirty shame.

Hmm seems like a very busy thread to me after 50+ pages and still not a single scripture that answers any of the questions in the OP here :)
 
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Hello LGW.

A Jewish lunar calendar does not have a day named Sunday, that is a pagan Roman name for a day. The next thing I know you will be telling me you follow Pope Gregory's calendar (Gregorian).The Jewish lunar calendar has a first day, the first day occurs when the new moon is sighted. It matters not what the previous day was whether a Wednesday or say a Friday; as soon as the new moon is seen it is always the first day (Sunday). The next new moon is March 6th, for all you Jewish, lunar Sabbath followers. That is the official first day of the week but is a Wednesday March 6th on the pagan, Pope Gregory's calendar.

Who said the Jewish luna calandar has a day named Sunday and what has this post have to do with anything you are responding to? Sunday is only posted as in reference to the first day of the week and the post you are quoting from testifies against your Luna theory that every NEW MOON effects the weekly cycle and the naming of the days of the week.

As posted earlier....

Now friends, we have a very funny thing happening here. People here arguing for and promoting a LUNA Calander which is ok in itself but claiming that EVERY NEW MOON the days of the week are changed (which is false).

Now the prblem you have is that if you believe a Luna calander effects the weekly cycle (which it does not) then it also applies to Sunday and you have no LORD'S DAY. Start going to Church then in the middle of the week. See where your argument is leading you? Your argument here effects every day of the week not one.

However this is rubbish as a Luna calander does not effect a weekly cycle and you have no scripture to show that the week days change everytime there is a NEW MOON. What you are proposing is unbiblical and does not make any sense.

Do you practice your belief here and apply it to Sunday which you claim without scripture is the LORD'S DAY?

This is a very interesting discussion indeed :oldthumbsup:.
 
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You refuse to listen.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4. Did you have any scriptures to share?

How many commandments are in God's 10 commandments, 9, 10 or 613? *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13; DEUTERONOMY 10:4. All scripture is given by inspiration of God and we are to live by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God from his two witnesses *2 TIMOTHY 3:16; MATTHEW 4:4

You have no scripture do you that says God's 4th commandment or God's 10 commandments are abolished do you Ace and so you seek to find a way outside of God's WORD to justify your tradition.
 
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As I always say I am a Gentile and the law is meaningless to me. I am not under the law. I don't care whether there are thirteen or more commandments in the law. I am still not under those commandments. I follow the law of Christ, which is what He commanded His followers.

As already posted, under the NEW COVENANT we are only UNDER THE LAW if we stand guilty before GOD of breaking it *ROMANS 3:19. If we have repented from our sins and been forgiven by faith we are no longer UNDER THE LAW because we have been forgiven *ROMANS 8:1-4. There is no Gentiles any more under the NEW COVENANT all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD are one in Christ. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise that is given to God's ISRAEL *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

Sorry David God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sent only in love as a help.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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As posted earlier please provide proof to your startement. You cannot can you. This is a false teaching. Where are the scriptures that say that God's 4th Commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH starts every full MOON under a Luna calander?
Why does it have to be only scripture...?
 
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Except the Sabbath falls on the same days every month under a lunar calendar. Under the papal calendar the false Sabbath falls on different days every month. Can you spot the fake?

I'm still having some trouble...? Call me dense, but can you clarify or elaborate at all...?

God Bless!
 
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