Can I talk to former muslims?

anna ~ grace · Feb 17, 2019

I second Hazelelponi on NOT reading the Quran. No. His goal is not to sincerely dialogue. His goal is to trick you, convert you, and make everything look "the same". It's not. Islam is tricky. Extremely tricky. It's like a mirror image of Truth, only it's not.

Hazelelponi · Feb 17, 2019

Gracia Singh said:
I second Hazelelponi on NOT reading the Quran. No. His goal is not to sincerely dialogue. His goal is to trick you, convert you, and make everything look "the same". It's not. Islam is tricky. Extremely tricky. It's like a mirror image of Truth, only it's not.

That's honestly the hardest part I think.

You have two religions and they look the same God, but they cannot both be true.

You have to figure out which religion worships God, and which one is worshipping an imposter...

Thats something that is fraught with difficulty because there is spiritual attack involved also. It's just deception on every level.

Nabeel Qureshi wrote some good books, but I think they were English.

anna ~ grace · Feb 17, 2019

Hazelelponi said:
That's honestly the hardest part I think.

You have two religions and they look the same God, but they cannot both be true.

You have to figure out which religion worships God, and which one is worshipping an imposter...

Thats something that is fraught with difficulty because there is spiritual attack involved also. It's just deception on every level.

Nabeel Qureshi wrote some good books, but I think they were English.

Ineed. There is definitely spiritual attack. Demons get involved. It's bad stuff. Dangerous, disorienting, deceptive. *Especially* if you have feelings for the guy and "just want to be with him". Satan can and will use that to lure you in to a Satanic, counterfeit religion. Trust me.

This is why everyone is telling you to not try to save him, not read the Quran, not try to debate or change him. Pray for him. Study your faith. But don't try to convert him. Your emotions will get in the way.

Justachristiangirl · Feb 17, 2019

Hazelelponi said:
No. You should not study the Quran to give him better answers.

The Quran alone is not Islam for one, the religion of Islam is coupled with ahadith which number in the thousands upon thousands on top of Quran, and you have to know the science of ahadith in order to have discussions with most knowledgeable Muslims.

It's a lifetime of study and not your place. Leave those types of discussions to those who know the faith already and can speak to their own people.

In Christianity what you can do is provide an answer for your own faith to those who ask you what your beliefs are.

This is your job, not studying a foreign religion.

And certainly not going against your God due to your love of a boy who has already told you he cannot reciprocate these feelings.

Thank you. I will never go against God for him. God will always come first. I'm actually glad that I am in this situation because I am getting closer to God. I'm praying and reading the bible way more and I feel great.

Justachristiangirl · Feb 17, 2019

Gracia Singh said:
Answering Islam, A Christian-Muslim Dialog and Apologetic

This site helped me. It might help him. Please be aware, Muslims can turn from kind and generous to angry and violent when their religion is challenged, especially by Christianity. Just be aware of that.

I'll show it to him even though I'm a little scared that he will get offended but it's worth a try. And okay I won't study it and focus more on the bible ^^

Justachristiangirl · Feb 17, 2019

Yeah... I think that it's best if I just be respectful and tell him about God when I get the chance or when he asks. My friend who was in missionary at our church helped save a couple muslims. She said that how she did it was by building relationships, praying and trusting that God will do the work.

Hazelelponi said:
That's honestly the hardest part I think.

You have two religions and they look the same God, but they cannot both be true.

You have to figure out which religion worships God, and which one is worshipping an imposter...

Thats something that is fraught with difficulty because there is spiritual attack involved also. It's just deception on every level.

Nabeel Qureshi wrote some good books, but I think they were English.

Gracia Singh said:
Ineed. There is definitely spiritual attack. Demons get involved. It's bad stuff. Dangerous, disorienting, deceptive. *Especially* if you have feelings for the guy and "just want to be with him". Satan can and will use that to lure you in to a Satanic, counterfeit religion. Trust me.

This is why everyone is telling you to not try to save him, not read the Quran, not try to debate or change him. Pray for him. Study your faith. But don't try to convert him. Your emotions will get in the way.

Hazelelponi · Feb 17, 2019

Nika Yermakova said:
I'll show it to him even though I'm a little scared that he will get offended but it's worth a try. And okay I won't study it and focus more on the bible ^^

I would walk away from it all.. don't try and show him anything. Leave it in God's Hand now.

You have to shake the dust from your feet and walk away when the Gospel is not received.

Matthew 10:14
And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.

There is a point where you don't help the cause of God anymore by pushing the issue. I don't think your old enough to sense that point, but you've already said he's getting angry - so it's time to stop talking and just walk away.

Cis.jd · Feb 17, 2019

Nika Yermakova said:
Yes

The level of seriousness to your respective religions (especially with your families) is the only determining factor of whether your relationship with him will get anywhere. It is sad that religious differences are so impactful and how they separate people than unite them.. at the end, it's advice that is hard to give. I guess you'll know the right answer eventually. It's just on a logical standpoint, it's nearly impossible to work out.

My advice is share with him your religious beliefs, don't force it.. both of you will have to let your beliefs, values, etc out on the table for both of you to know. Then think logically if this is going to work out.

anna ~ grace · Feb 17, 2019

Hazelelponi said:
I would walk away from it all.. don't try and show him anything. Leave it in God's Hand now.

You have to shake the dust from your feet and walk away when the Gospel is not received.

Matthew 10:14
And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.

There is a point where you don't help the cause of God anymore by pushing the issue. I don't think your old enough to sense that point, but you've already said he's getting angry - so it's time to stop talking and just walk away.

I would say, @Nika Yermakova , don't shove stuff in his face. If and when he has questions, maybe show him sites like that. Not until.

Justachristiangirl · Feb 17, 2019

Hazelelponi said:
I would walk away from it all.. don't try and show him anything. Leave it in God's Hand now.

You have to shake the dust from your feet and walk away when the Gospel is not received.

Matthew 10:14
And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.

There is a point where you don't help the cause of God anymore by pushing the issue. I don't think your old enough to sense that point, but you've already said he's getting angry - so it's time to stop talking and just walk away.

Well not angry. He just called the former muslims "ignorant" and that I shouldn't believe what people say blindly

Justachristiangirl · Feb 17, 2019

Cis.jd said:
The level of seriousness to your respective religions (especially with your families) is the only determining factor of whether your relationship with him will get anywhere. It is sad that religious differences are so impactful and how they separate people than unite them.. at the end, it's advice that is hard to give. I guess you'll know the right answer eventually. It's just on a logical standpoint, it's nearly impossible to work out.

My advice is share with him your religious beliefs, don't force it.. both of you will have to let your beliefs, values, etc out on the table for both of you to know. Then think logically if this is going to work out.

Well we aren't in a relationship and I doubt we will be anytime soon. For one we are young and should be focusing on school and improving ourselves. I simply love him and he's a very special person to me. I won't force my beliefs on him that's his choice. I trust God with this situation and I will never get into a relationship with him or consider becoming a muslim no matter how much I love him. Unless he becomes Christian I don't see myself marrying him or being together any time soon. It hurts a lot but starting a relationship would probably the worst possible choice.

Justachristiangirl · Feb 17, 2019

Gracia Singh said:
I would say, @Nika Yermakova , don't shove stuff in his face. If and when he has questions, maybe show him sites like that. Not until.

I will thank you so much for everything ♡

Loyce KG · Feb 17, 2019

Nika Yermakova said:
Well not angry. He just called the former muslims "ignorant" and that I shouldn't believe what people say blindly

This is an unequally yoked situation. Walk away from the whole affair. Your soul and spirit (or mind and heart) are divided. You want to be with him but he is Muslim. So your mind tells you to win him over to Christ.
There is hefty price to pay here. Instead of focusing on your relationship and growth with God, he will become your mission. Minutely, you'll get pulled to his side.
Don't give the devil a foot-hold for he may devour you completely.
Leave the relationship (whatever it is). If he desires to know the truth, he will seek for it. I believe you have already shared the gospel. Pray for him and wait upon the right guy from the Lord.
Situations like these leave us hurt and full of regrets.

Daniel Martinovich · Feb 17, 2019

Good discussion. By the way. Just typing in Muslims convert tot Christ, The man in White, Muslim sees Jesus. Anything like that will yield hundreds of wonderful testimonials of Muslims coming to Christ via a vision or dream. It may help your faith when praying for him.

Justachristiangirl · Feb 17, 2019

Daniel Martinovich said:
Good discussion. By the way. Just typing in Muslims convert tot Christ, The man in White, Muslim sees Jesus. Anything like that will yield hundreds of wonderful testimonials of Muslims coming to Christ via a vision or dream. It may help your faith when praying for him.

Awwww thank you so much I definitely will

dstamps · Feb 17, 2019

Nika Yermakova said:
My friend is muslim and he means a lot to me. We both love eachother but we can't be together since I am a Christian and he is Muslim. I was wondering if it is possible to reach his heart so that he could let Christ in?

How did some of you come to God? I know that it's not easy and I'm trying my best not to give up on him. Is there hope?

Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus is a true story of what a very dedicated Muslim went through to convert. If you are very serious, you are likely to have a very difficult task ahead.

Monk Brendan · Feb 17, 2019

Nika Yermakova said:
My friend is muslim and he means a lot to me. We both love eachother but we can't be together since I am a Christian and he is Muslim. I was wondering if it is possible to reach his heart so that he could let Christ in?

How did some of you come to God? I know that it's not easy and I'm trying my best not to give up on him. Is there hope?

You are not the Holy Spirit.

Therefore, it is not up to you to "reach his heart."

Pray for him instead.

Justachristiangirl · Feb 17, 2019

dstamps said:
Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus is a true story of what a very dedicated Muslim went through to convert. If you are very serious, you are likely to have a very difficult task ahead.

Yes I know. Please pray for him if you can, it means a lot ^^

jkjk · Feb 17, 2019

Nika Yermakova said:
Thank you. I will never go against God for him. God will always come first. I'm actually glad that I am in this situation because I am getting closer to God. I'm praying and reading the bible way more and I feel great.

I respectfully disagree with Hazelelponi and others who are warning you against reading the Quran or learning about Islam.

I agree that you should be realistic and that it is highly unlikely you can ever convert your friend. I agree that the best thing you can do for him is to pray for him. Beyond that, you can model Christian behavior through your words and actions. Pressuring him will almost certainly backfire. I also agree that since he has made it clear that he will not convert and a relationship cannot work, you should take a step back and give yourself some space. And I also agree that if your sole reason for learning about Islam is to try and convert your friend, you are almost assuredly wasting your time.

That said, I would never counsel someone against seeking truth and understanding. Learning about other religions is not something to be feared. As in everything, you should read and listen critically but with an open mind. It is equally important to consider who is saying it, for what purpose, in what context, and what they aren't saying as it is to understand what they are saying. So it is for Islamic writers. So it is for people on this forum.

Again, keep praying for God's wisdom, and I wish you luck.

anna ~ grace · Feb 17, 2019

jkjk said:
I respectfully disagree with Hazelelponi and others who are warning you against reading the Quran or learning about Islam.

I agree that you should be realistic and that it is highly unlikely you can ever convert your friend. I agree that the best thing you can do for him is to pray for him. Beyond that, you can model Christian behavior through your words and actions. Pressuring him will almost certainly backfire. I also agree that since he has made it clear that he will not convert and a relationship cannot work, you should take a step back and give yourself some space. And I also agree that if your sole reason for learning about Islam is to try and convert your friend, you are almost assuredly wasting your time.

That said, I would never counsel someone against seeking truth and understanding. Learning about other religions is not something to be feared. As in everything, you should read and listen critically but with an open mind. It is equally important to consider who is saying it, for what purpose, in what context, and what they aren't saying as it is to understand what they are saying. So it is for Islamic writers. So it is for people on this forum.

Again, keep praying for God's wisdom, and I wish you luck.

I would still caution her against reading the Quran. I know the tactic. I've been on the other side of it. It's a trick.

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