Is the Earth flat or round???

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You know the facts. You know the scientific evidence. Its been posted again and again.

You continuously refute it.
You've never posted a single shred of it.

You have a stick and you stir the pot.

However, you never contribute anything but condescension, accusation, and state that the globe is absolute truth, the FE is absolute false.... with nothing, ever, to support your statements.
 
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You've never posted a single shred of it.

You have a stick and you stir the pot.

However, you never contribute anything but condescension, accusation, and state that the globe is absolute truth, the FE is absolute false.... with nothing, ever, to support your statements.

There is no need for me to post what many others have done in this thread and in others. You refuse to believe any scientific evidence for a globe. You would rather bury your face in the 'flat' earth. You shoot down any sensible, proven, scientific evidence!
 
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1 Samuel 2:8 King James Version (KJV)

8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them.

More of a FE verse.. with Pillars.

The word pillars in this verse means saints. Read the whole verse.

The word pillars carries a very broad meaning in the Bible and is an interchangeable word which goes alongside foundation/foundations. TWOT (Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament) describes "pillars" to mean a basic term for "stand", or "to take one's stand" to "stand firm, fast" or "to stand up, get up," or "to stand before Yahweh." It is used to even describe the church:

1 Tim.3:15: “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.”

The next verse describes James, Peter and John as pillars:

Gal.2:9: “And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.”

This verse means that James, Cephas (aka., Peter) and John were pillars of the Christian movement.

The Holy Bible is not an English textbook of science. Stop reading with such a carnal mind and you'll learn a lot more about Scripture.

You can quote the mistranslations of tebel until you are blue in the face but it does not change the fact that Tyndale renders the word better. I could provide an entire list of KJV errors which Tyndale did a much better job rendering. The 1537 Matthew's Bible is the first Bible translated from Hebrew and Greek -- and its still the most accurate. You do not see the scholarly census on this but I do. Those who are serious students of the Bible will all tell you that the Matthew's Bible is #1 for overall accuracy. The KJV occasionally improves on Tyndale's renderings but not enough to be #1. The Hebrew lexicons and Bible commentaries favor the Matthew's Bible over KJV.

I didn't know what to think of this at first. I began studying with today's top scholar of the Matthew's Bible and was amazed to see how accurate it is.



Job 26:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

I don't see any globe reference here... However, the waters have "bounds" kinda like the FE model. Just say'n.

The Hebrew word H2328 chuwg translates to the Latin circumdedit which you find in the Latin Vulgate I posted already. The word means round, encompass, surround, as in vertical and horizontal curves intersect. The boundary of day and night complete when the completes a rotation. This verse has never been understood to mean flat earth.

Bible Commentaries for Job 26:10

Henry Morris Study Bible,

“26:10 compassed. The word “compassed” is the Hebrew khug, translated “circle” in Isaiah 40:22 (see also Pr.8:27). It refers here to the global sea level, which defines the “circle of the earth” and the “compass upon the face of the depth,” and which defines the bounds which the waters cannot cross as long as the earth endures, in accordance with the Noahic covenant (Gen.8:22; 9:11).
26:10 come to an end. This is a reference to the boundary between day and night--that is, along a great circle through the center of the earth, with light on one side and darkness on the other. This follows from the spherical shape of the earth, as implied in the first part of this verse.”


Jamieson, Fausset & Brown: Commentary on the Whole Bible,

“Rather, “He hath drawn a circular bound round the waters” (Prov.8:27; Ps.104:9). The horizon seems a circle. Indication is given of the globular form of the earth. until the day . . . to the confines of light and darkness. When the light falls on our horizon, the other hemisphere is dark. UMBREIT and MAUDER translate “He has most perfectly (lit., “to perfection”) drawn the bound (taken from the first clause) between light and darkness” (cf. Gen.1:4; 6, 9); where the bounding of the light from darkness is similarly brought into proximity with the boundary of the waters.”

The Expositor’s Bible Commentary,

“The NIV interprets the literal Hebrew “he draws a circle” as God’s establishment of the horizon, which acts as the line of the demarcation between light and darkness (day and night). Job was ascribing to God, and not to the incarnations and rituals of the nature cults, the authority and dominion over night and day.”

The Bible Knowledge Commentary (1985 Edition)

“At the horizon. . . light and darkness seem to separate. The horizon is circular, for the verb marks out translates the word hug, “to draw a circle,” and suggest the curvature of the earth. This too accords with the facts known by scientists only in recent times.”

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges,

"10. The verse reads,

He hath drawn as a circle a bound upon the face of the waters,

At the confines of light and darkness.

The second clause is literally; even to the confines of light with (or, by) darkness, i. e. as far as where the utmost bound of light borders with darkness. The idea seems to be this: around the surface of the earth flows the ocean (“the face of the waters”); upon this like a circle all around the earth the arch of heaven comes down; all within this bound is light, for the sun rises on one side of it and goes down at the other; beyond this circle lies the utter darkness. Comp. ch. Job 38:19 seq."


Ancient Christian Commentary On Scripture (Old Testament Vol. VI, Job),

“26:10 The Boundary Between Light and Darkness.
THE ORDER GIVEN BY GOD. ISHO’DAD OF MERV: So God has gathered the waters that were spread on the earth at the beginning and has imposed a limit on them. His command has surrounded them like a circle, so that they might not exceed it. He has set a “boundary between light and darkness.” This means that he has ordered the light and the darkness to occupy their given times in good harmony and not prevail in one another. COMMENTARY ON JOB 26:10.”



Context is always very important. We should post the scripture that sets up the subject matter...

It is not the earth that is spun here... it is the cloud.. over the face of the earth..

This is true and I never said it wasn't in context with global weather patterns. The word tebel is used in context with the whole earth and its inhabitants. When tebel is used in this way it means "the habitable globe."
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Job 37:10-12 King James Version (KJV)

10 By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.
11 Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud:


12 And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth.

I do like the word "face" as a support for a FE, however.

Astronomers and just about everyone else use "face of the earth" in the 21st century and nobody associates the term with flat earth.




Psalm 18:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.

Hmmm. foundations... Yet, no sphere. No spin. No moving through space.

This is because you are using a lesser translation thinking that somehow you can debunk 4 Hebrew lexicons that very strongly disagree with the errs of the Geneva scholars who influenced the renderings of the KJV.

Quik Compare: Isaiah 45:7,

1560 Geneva Bible: "I forme the light and create darkenes: I make peace and create euill: I the Lord doe all these things."

1611/1769 King James: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

1537 Matthews Bible: "It is I that created the lyght and darcknes, I make peace & trouble yee euen I the Lorde do all these thinges."

The word translated evil also translates to calamity or disaster. This is actually what the KJV scholars meant as word definitions were not the same as they are today. Yet Tyndale's rendering stood the test of time as his word selection still means the same thing today.
 
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Psalm 18:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.

Hmmm. foundations... Yet, no sphere. No spin. No moving through space.

Psalm 18:15,

"The springes of waters were sene, & the foundacios of the roude worlde were discouered at yi chiding (o LORDE) at the blastinge & breth of thy displeasure" (1535 Coverdale Bible).

"The sprynges of waters were sene, and the foundacyons of the rounde worlde were discouered at thy chidynge (O Lorde) at the blastynge and breth of thy displeasures" (1537 Matthew's Bible).

"The sprynges of waters were sene, & the foundacions of the round worlde were discouered at thy chydinge, O Lorde, at the blastynge of the breth of thy displeasure" (1539 Great Bible).

"And the bottomes of waters appeared, and the foundations of the rounde worlde were discouered at thy chidyng, O God: at the blast of the breath of thine anger" (1568 Bishop's Bible).

"And the channels of waters will be seen, and the foundations of the habitable globe will be uncovered from thy rebuke, O Jehovah, from the breathing of the spirit of thine anger" (1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).

Again, the correct Hebrew definition of tebel better renders the verse.

Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon
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No sphere, no globe, no spin, no movement
Psalm 19:4 King James Version (KJV)

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

Psalm 19:4,

Latin Vulgate: "in omnem terram exivit sonus eorum et in fines orbis terrae verba eorum."

✅Word: Orbis terrarum, from H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl & H776 אֶרֶץ ʼerets

Latin Definition of Orbis terrarum
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English: "Their line went forth into all the earth, and their words into the ends of the habitable globe. In them he set a tent for the sun" (H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl - 1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).

Here again you quote a tebel verse which means "the habitable globe."


OK, I;m going to stop here... no sense continuing with this nonsense.


Psalm 24:1 King James Version (KJV)
24 The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

Again, and not surprising... no globe, no sphere, no spin, no orbit no movement...

I got a hockey game to watch.

The KJV mistranslates it.

Psalm 24:1,

"The earth is the LORDES, & all that therin is: the copase of the worlde, ad all yt dwell therin" (1535 Coverdale Bible).

"A Psalme of Dauid. The earth is the Lordes, & all that therin is: the compase of the world, & al that dwell therein" (1537 Matthew's Bible).

"A Psalme of Dauid. The earth is the Lordes, and all that therin is: the compasse of the worlde, and they that dwell therin" (1539 Great Bible).

"To David chanting. To Jehovah the earth and its fulness, the habitable globe and they dwelling in it" (1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).

But even in the KJV you have fulness which cannot be used on a flat plate earth.

And for the last time...

Hebrew Lexicons for H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl,

✅The New Strong's Exhaustive Expanded Concordance of the Bible. H8398

"8398. têbêl, tay-bale'; from H2986; the earth (as moist and therefore inhabited); by extension, the globe; by implication, its inhabitants; specifically, a particular land, as Babylonia, Palestine:—world [35x] habitable part, [1x].

The word signified, first, the solid material on which man dwells, and that was formed, founded, established, and disposed by God; and secondly, the inhabitants thereof. See TWOT 835h; BDB--385c, 1061d."
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)


✅ Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon
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Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

✅Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament.

TWOT 835h תֵּבֵל têbêl, tay-bale'; world.

"This noun is used in three basic situations. First, the noun is employed to represent the global mass called earth, including the atmosphere or heavens (cf. Ps.89:12; II Sam 22:16; et al.). têbêl is often in parallelism or apposition with 'eres (I Sam 2:8; Isa.26:9; 34:1; et al.) when 'eres is used in its broadest sense of "the world." The "world" was created by God, not false gods (Jer.10:12; Ps.93:1) and it belongs solely to him (Ps.24:1). God's eternality is illustrated by his existence before the creation of "world" (Ps.90:2) and his wisdom (perhaps a personification of Christ) was present prior to the world's creation (Prov. 8:26, 31). Creation itself gives a "worldwide" witness to God's glory (Ps.19:4 [H 5]) which should result in Yahweh's praise (Ps.98:2). Yahweh will judge this "world," making it empty (Isa.24:4), though in the millennium God will cause Israel to blossom and fill the whole world with her fruit (Isa.27:6).

Second, têbêl is sometime limited to "countries" or "the inhabitable world." This meaning is more closely related to the root meaning. It refers to the world where crops are raised. This is observed in the judgment message against the king of Babylon (not Satan) for violently shaking the "world" or "inhabitable world" (Isa.13:11; 14:17). Lightning is said to enlighten the "world"---undoubtedly referring to a limited land area (Ps.77:18 [H 19]; 97:4).

Third, têbêl may also refer to the inhabitants living upon the whole earth. This is demonstrated by the parallelism of têbêl with I' umim (Ps.9:8 [H 9]) and 'ammim (Ps.96:13; 98:9). The context of these references is Yahweh's judgment upon the world's inhabitants---a judgment both executed in righteousness and instructive of Yahweh's righteousness (Isa.26:9; 34:1).

In several passages the sense of têbêl as the globular earth in combination with its inhabitants is clearly observed. Everything belongs to Yahweh as his creation (Ps.50:12). Yahweh alone controls this world (Job 34:13; Nah 1:5) and his power is over all the earth which always responds to his presence (Job 37:12; Ps.97:4)".


✅New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology & Exegesis, Volume 4:

"9315. têbêl תֵּבֵל Nom. fem., world (#9315).

OT Found 36x exclusively in poetic texts, the word conveys the cosmic or global sense in which 'eres is also sometimes used; i.e., the whole earth or world considered as a single entity. It sometimes occurs in parallelism with 'eres (Jer.10:12; Lam.4:12). Twice it is used together with 'eres, either to express "the whole earth" (Job 37:12), or perhaps in the sense of the inhabited earth (Prov.8:31). It is used frequently in contexts that associate it with Yahweh's creative act and that, as a result, express the stability or durability of the earth (1 Sam.2:8; Ps.89:11 [12]; 93:1; 96:10). It is used when the whole population of the world is referred to (Ps.24:1; 33:8; 98:7; Isa. 18:3; 26:9; Nah.1:5). Isaiah uses têbêl more than any other prophet, mostly in the context of universal judgment (Isaiah 13:11; 24:4; 34:1; cf. Ps.96:13; 98:9).

Land, earth: --> damd (ground, piece of land, soil, realm of the earth, #141); --> 'eres (earth, land, #824); --> têbêl (world, #9315)."
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Breakdown of Hebrew Lexicons for H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl,

✅Strong's: "; by extension, the globe;"

✅Gesenius': ",the habitable globe,"

✅TWOT: "First, the noun is employed to represent the global mass called earth" <--AND --> "In several passages the sense of têbêl as the globular earth in combination with its inhabitants is clearly observed."

✅New International: "the word conveys the cosmic or global sense in which 'eres is also sometimes used; i.e., the whole earth or world considered as a single entity."

I fail to see flat earth here.
 
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You present no facts... you just spout statements that are never backed by evidence, scripture or any form of support or proof.
Yet that's all I have been doing and you reject all Christian information -- all 2000 years of it!
 
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Yet that's all I have been doing and you reject all Christian information -- all 2000 years of it!
Are you "Lost4Words"? Is that your name on these forums?

If not... then that post was not directed at you...
 
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Psalm 18:15,

"The springes of waters were sene, & the foundacios of the roude worlde were discouered at yi chiding (o LORDE) at the blastinge & breth of thy displeasure" (1535 Coverdale Bible).

"The sprynges of waters were sene, and the foundacyons of the rounde worlde were discouered at thy chidynge (O Lorde) at the blastynge and breth of thy displeasures" (1537 Matthew's Bible).

"The sprynges of waters were sene, & the foundacions of the round worlde were discouered at thy chydinge, O Lorde, at the blastynge of the breth of thy displeasure" (1539 Great Bible).

"And the bottomes of waters appeared, and the foundations of the rounde worlde were discouered at thy chidyng, O God: at the blast of the breath of thine anger" (1568 Bishop's Bible).

"And the channels of waters will be seen, and the foundations of the habitable globe will be uncovered from thy rebuke, O Jehovah, from the breathing of the spirit of thine anger" (1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).

Again, the correct Hebrew definition of tebel better renders the verse.

Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon
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Psalm 19:4,

Latin Vulgate: "in omnem terram exivit sonus eorum et in fines orbis terrae verba eorum."

✅Word: Orbis terrarum, from H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl & H776 אֶרֶץ ʼerets

Latin Definition of Orbis terrarum
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...MiuCNiim33950sSq6425qUcqtM--eScacOxhksiIHUW_w

English: "Their line went forth into all the earth, and their words into the ends of the habitable globe. In them he set a tent for the sun" (H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl - 1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).

Here again you quote a tebel verse which means "the habitable globe."


OK, I;m going to stop here... no sense continuing with this nonsense.




The KJV mistranslates it.

Psalm 24:1,

"The earth is the LORDES, & all that therin is: the copase of the worlde, ad all yt dwell therin" (1535 Coverdale Bible).

"A Psalme of Dauid. The earth is the Lordes, & all that therin is: the compase of the world, & al that dwell therein" (1537 Matthew's Bible).

"A Psalme of Dauid. The earth is the Lordes, and all that therin is: the compasse of the worlde, and they that dwell therin" (1539 Great Bible).

"To David chanting. To Jehovah the earth and its fulness, the habitable globe and they dwelling in it" (1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).

But even in the KJV you have fulness which cannot be used on a flat plate earth.

And for the last time...

Hebrew Lexicons for H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl,

✅The New Strong's Exhaustive Expanded Concordance of the Bible. H8398

"8398. têbêl, tay-bale'; from H2986; the earth (as moist and therefore inhabited); by extension, the globe; by implication, its inhabitants; specifically, a particular land, as Babylonia, Palestine:—world [35x] habitable part, [1x].

The word signified, first, the solid material on which man dwells, and that was formed, founded, established, and disposed by God; and secondly, the inhabitants thereof. See TWOT 835h; BDB--385c, 1061d."
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)


✅ Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon
View attachment 251495
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

✅Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament.

TWOT 835h תֵּבֵל têbêl, tay-bale'; world.

"This noun is used in three basic situations. First, the noun is employed to represent the global mass called earth, including the atmosphere or heavens (cf. Ps.89:12; II Sam 22:16; et al.). têbêl is often in parallelism or apposition with 'eres (I Sam 2:8; Isa.26:9; 34:1; et al.) when 'eres is used in its broadest sense of "the world." The "world" was created by God, not false gods (Jer.10:12; Ps.93:1) and it belongs solely to him (Ps.24:1). God's eternality is illustrated by his existence before the creation of "world" (Ps.90:2) and his wisdom (perhaps a personification of Christ) was present prior to the world's creation (Prov. 8:26, 31). Creation itself gives a "worldwide" witness to God's glory (Ps.19:4 [H 5]) which should result in Yahweh's praise (Ps.98:2). Yahweh will judge this "world," making it empty (Isa.24:4), though in the millennium God will cause Israel to blossom and fill the whole world with her fruit (Isa.27:6).

Second, têbêl is sometime limited to "countries" or "the inhabitable world." This meaning is more closely related to the root meaning. It refers to the world where crops are raised. This is observed in the judgment message against the king of Babylon (not Satan) for violently shaking the "world" or "inhabitable world" (Isa.13:11; 14:17). Lightning is said to enlighten the "world"---undoubtedly referring to a limited land area (Ps.77:18 [H 19]; 97:4).

Third, têbêl may also refer to the inhabitants living upon the whole earth. This is demonstrated by the parallelism of têbêl with I' umim (Ps.9:8 [H 9]) and 'ammim (Ps.96:13; 98:9). The context of these references is Yahweh's judgment upon the world's inhabitants---a judgment both executed in righteousness and instructive of Yahweh's righteousness (Isa.26:9; 34:1).

In several passages the sense of têbêl as the globular earth in combination with its inhabitants is clearly observed. Everything belongs to Yahweh as his creation (Ps.50:12). Yahweh alone controls this world (Job 34:13; Nah 1:5) and his power is over all the earth which always responds to his presence (Job 37:12; Ps.97:4)".


✅New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology & Exegesis, Volume 4:

"9315. têbêl תֵּבֵל Nom. fem., world (#9315).

OT Found 36x exclusively in poetic texts, the word conveys the cosmic or global sense in which 'eres is also sometimes used; i.e., the whole earth or world considered as a single entity. It sometimes occurs in parallelism with 'eres (Jer.10:12; Lam.4:12). Twice it is used together with 'eres, either to express "the whole earth" (Job 37:12), or perhaps in the sense of the inhabited earth (Prov.8:31). It is used frequently in contexts that associate it with Yahweh's creative act and that, as a result, express the stability or durability of the earth (1 Sam.2:8; Ps.89:11 [12]; 93:1; 96:10). It is used when the whole population of the world is referred to (Ps.24:1; 33:8; 98:7; Isa. 18:3; 26:9; Nah.1:5). Isaiah uses têbêl more than any other prophet, mostly in the context of universal judgment (Isaiah 13:11; 24:4; 34:1; cf. Ps.96:13; 98:9).

Land, earth: --> damd (ground, piece of land, soil, realm of the earth, #141); --> 'eres (earth, land, #824); --> têbêl (world, #9315)."
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Breakdown of Hebrew Lexicons for H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl,

✅Strong's: "; by extension, the globe;"

✅Gesenius': ",the habitable globe,"

✅TWOT: "First, the noun is employed to represent the global mass called earth" <--AND --> "In several passages the sense of têbêl as the globular earth in combination with its inhabitants is clearly observed."

✅New International: "the word conveys the cosmic or global sense in which 'eres is also sometimes used; i.e., the whole earth or world considered as a single entity."

I fail to see flat earth here.
It is obvious, to me, that we are stuck at an impasse.... You have your idea of what the scriptures say.. as to I.

Arguing will not solve this..

Good day.
 
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There is no need for me to post what many others have done in this thread and in others. You refuse to believe any scientific evidence for a globe. You would rather bury your face in the 'flat' earth. You shoot down any sensible, proven, scientific evidence!
Others may not agree with me... some may agree..

But, the way I see it... is... if you have no evidence, of your own, or, from other sources... to post in support of your argument... and... you find no need to post what others have done.. then maybe you have no right to post at all....

If you are going to state something, state it and then present the evidence to back it.

Don't usurp the right to say something based on what others have done. At least have the respect for them, to give them credit and state what it is they used as support.

Otherwise.. the thread becomes a series of "does not"... "does too" posts.
 
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Others may not agree with me... some may agree..

But, the way I see it... is... if you have no evidence, of your own, or, from other sources... to post in support of your argument... and... you find no need to post what others have done.. then maybe you have no right to post at all....

If you are going to state something, state it and then present the evidence to back it.

Don't usurp the right to say something based on what others have done. At least have the respect for them, to give them credit and state what it is they used as support.

Otherwise.. the thread becomes a series of "does not"... "does too" posts.

Fezzilla has been posting extensive information. A-Thinker also spent quite a bit of time and patience on this subject. What good has it done in your opinion?
 
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Others may not agree with me... some may agree..

But, the way I see it... is... if you have no evidence, of your own, or, from other sources... to post in support of your argument... and... you find no need to post what others have done.. then maybe you have no right to post at all....

If you are going to state something, state it and then present the evidence to back it.

Don't usurp the right to say something based on what others have done. At least have the respect for them, to give them credit and state what it is they used as support.

Otherwise.. the thread becomes a series of "does not"... "does too" posts.

Incorrect.

The facts that others have posted have been posted by 'several' people, time and again. You refuse to believe those said facts. Scientific proofs of a globe. Refuted by you, time and again.

You cannot post 'any' 'REAL' evidence for a flat earth. Not one!

You continuosly 'try' to shoot down any real evidence for a globe.

There is no need for me to post what others have. I believe in a globe. I accept what science says. I accept true knowledge, not fantastical stories from flat earth believers. You know all the evidence that is available to prove we live on a globe. Its readily available. Easily unsearchable. Its been quoted on these forums many times.

Jack, my dear friend. Flat earth is fictional. Its a non starter.
 
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Fezzilla has been posting extensive information. A-Thinker also spent quite a bit of time and patience on this subject. What good has it done in your opinion?

This is so true.
 
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It is obvious, to me, that we are stuck at an impasse.... You have your idea of what the scriptures say.. as to I.

Arguing will not solve this..

Good day.
I wasn't giving you my idea of anything. I posted from 4 Hebrew lexicons that don't always agree with one another but firmly agree that tebel means the habitable globe. This is also how William Tyndale translated tebel. And yet all Hebrew lexicons posted here on tebel were written after the Matthew-Tyndale Bible, after the KJV, but they all agree with William Tyndale. Tyndale's handling of Hebrew was as good as St.Jerome's rendering of it. When we go through the entire historicity of translations and examine how those translations effected those who read it, its very clear to my mind that all those verses I've posted were always understood to mean globe. As I pointed out before there is no flat earth tradition in Christianity. This is because the Bible never taught it.
 
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Fezzilla has been posting extensive information. A-Thinker also spent quite a bit of time and patience on this subject. What good has it done in your opinion?
Show me one thing that "lost" has posted, this last while, other than just saying "Fe is stupid".

The post was for "lost" not for Fezz.

Thanks for being third man in though.

Now I realize how people comprehend what is actually stated in posts.
 
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Incorrect.

The facts that others have posted have been posted by 'several' people, time and again. You refuse to believe those said facts. Scientific proofs of a globe. Refuted by you, time and again.

You cannot post 'any' 'REAL' evidence for a flat earth. Not one!

You continuosly 'try' to shoot down any real evidence for a globe.

There is no need for me to post what others have. I believe in a globe. I accept what science says. I accept true knowledge, not fantastical stories from flat earth believers. You know all the evidence that is available to prove we live on a globe. Its readily available. Easily unsearchable. Its been quoted on these forums many times.

Jack, my dear friend. Flat earth is fictional. Its a non starter.
Thanks, again, for all your evidence. Your title is totally fitting.
 
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I wasn't giving you my idea of anything. I posted from 4 Hebrew lexicons that don't always agree with one another but firmly agree that tebel means the habitable globe. This is also how William Tyndale translated tebel. And yet all Hebrew lexicons posted here on tebel were written after the Matthew-Tyndale Bible, after the KJV, but they all agree with William Tyndale. Tyndale's handling of Hebrew was as good as St.Jerome's rendering of it. When we go through the entire historicity of translations and examine how those translations effected those who read it, its very clear to my mind that all those verses I've posted were always understood to mean globe. As I pointed out before there is no flat earth tradition in Christianity. This is because the Bible never taught it.
Of course it's clear, in your mind, that all those verses were understood to mean "globe"..

It is clear, in my mind, that a warning label that states "this product is not to be taken internally" is solid instructions to drink it. (FYI, that's sarcasm)
 
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Of course it's clear, in your mind, that all those verses were understood to mean "globe"..

It is clear, in my mind, that a warning label that states "this product is not to be taken internally" is solid instructions to drink it. (FYI, that's sarcasm)
So you don't trust 2000 years of Christian theology. You must be one of those who believe the church spent 2000 years trying to cover up flat earth in the Bible. So you trust all those NYC taxi drivers on Youtube who claim to be masters of Hebrew but don't know anything about Hebrew or how and why Hebrew words were applied. You trust conspiracy theory but reject education. In that case the there is no point discussing anything with you since you reject all knowledge that isn't connected to the Illuminati conspiracy theory. Do I have that about right?
 
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So you don't trust 2000 years of Christian theology. You must be one of those who believe the church spent 2000 years trying to cover up flat earth in the Bible. So you trust all those NYC taxi drivers on Youtube who claim to be masters of Hebrew but don't know anything about Hebrew or how and why Hebrew words were applied. You trust conspiracy theory but reject education. In that case the there is no point discussing anything with you since you reject all knowledge that isn't connected to the Illuminati conspiracy theory.

That's a lot of assumptions mate.





Do I have that about right?

Nope, not even close.
 
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So why do you reject 2000 years of Christian theology?
I only see what I read. The verses that you posted do not even come close to mentioning a sphere, globe, spinning or any such concept...
I posted a few of them.. it was enough...

If you want to twist and extrapolate and stretch and spin the scripture to say such a thing.. that is your right...

I, on the other hand... take it as it is written. No globe, no sphere....
 
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Show me one thing that "lost" has posted, this last while, other than just saying "Fe is stupid".

The post was for "lost" not for Fezz.

Thanks for being third man in though.

Now I realize how people comprehend what is actually stated in posts.

I've also tried in the past to reason with you, but now I usually just watch people who are more informed and patient than I am try to reason with you, and get dismissed in the same way you've dismissed anything I've said. I've said it before and I'll say it again: For someone who still doesn't have his mind made up yet (which you always claim), you sure are committed to the FE idea.
 
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