Is there any salvation for the angels that fell?

dms1972 said:

Is ionization not a physical process?

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Spirituality is a physical part of nature, it is just seemingly intangible to us.

And, I am talking about the steps of "burning":

1. Total Ionization (separation of nuclei from electrons)
2. Total plasmonic separation - meaning all plasmons have disintegrated
3. Total fundamental particle dissolve - meaning quarks evaporate into energy and loss of all field identity.

Anything created is "physical".

dms1972 said:

That's 'sons of God" not Son of God. So the offspring of the "sons of god" (angels) and daughters of men are are incarnations (small 'I') in a sense but when they died they became roaming unclean spirits and seeking a human habitation. Yet people who are demon possessed nowadays are not born that way they become that way, through dabbling in the occult for instance. But in regards the 'Nephilim' yes the term incarnation might be appropriate there.

Just so we can understand each other I am making a distinction between what is spoken of in Genesis 6, and people today who have demons in them, they are not the nephilm. They came into existence in the ordinary way, through human conception, have a human father and mother. Possession or demonization I prefer to use in those instances.

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There is a basic difference between us: In your understanding, a fallen angel have no way to be saved. In my way, they still have a chance.

dms1972 said:

At the start of the thread I was wondering about whether they can, as it has gone on I am more of the opinion they cannot, and not by entering human beings. They are cast out, as Christ did. There is a day of Judgement for them (and they know that for they cried to Jesus "what do you want with us have you come to torment us before the day?".

"What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Matthew 8:29

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We are in different picture, and are not communicating.
However, I agreed with what you said. In the case you described, they are doomed.

dms1972 said:

What way are using the term 'physical' here?

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Anything that can be observed.

dms1972 said:

Am I correct in thinking that the main reason for the flood was because of the Nephilim - or more a combination of that with general human wickedness?

It also says these were men of renown, heros of old.

Just a thought. Could this be were stories like those about Hercules come from (who in myth was the son of Zeus and the mortal Alcmene)?

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Yes.

dms1972 said:

I think we are communicating, though we are not agreeing on everything.

Look at it this way demons can be deceptive, put on a ruse. Then there is a danger of them trying to bluff naïve Christians into letting the demon stay thinking the demon has repented. I must admit I didn't know that could happen. But in desperation they might try anything. I have never been involved in it (I have watched a few online), but deliverance ministry I believe is very dangerous, and needs great discernment (a spiritual gift) I have heard they like to get a minister into a conversation, appeal to his curiosity, anything to play for time.

See also post #26 by Sanoy.

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Demons are the unfortunate offspring of a spiritual father and a mortal mother. These entities were the hybrids ("nephilim"), but when they died their bodies decayed away but their spirit remains "in between". These entities, therefore, seek to inhabit a physical body as we know it, because they cannot operate on this plane of existence without one.

They will lie and say they are familiar to you - just to get your vessel. This is why they impersonate relatives; they have been around since the entirety of human history. They know how to impersonate 'Nana, or Uncle Joe.

These entities are the same disembodied spirits that would beg the Word of God Himself to send them into swine - just so that they could inhabit a vessel and not be sent to the holding place for evil spirits known as Hell.

These entities don't have salvation because they were born of fallen spirits. Man was born of fallen man; none of us have a spirit of our own because when Adam sinned his spirit died. Luckily, Pentecost was fulfilled so that we could have an "on loan" spirit (the Holy Spirit) to convict and guide us to righteousness. There are no such luxuries for the spirit entities known as demons.

These demons are also different from their fallen angel fathers - who are mostly in chains.

dms1972 said:

I agree for the most part, though I think after the fall humans still had a spirit but that it was is not heavenly oriented, not alive or responsive to God. To have a soul in my view we must also have a spirit.

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The key that we both agree with is that it is not alive now.

I personally believe the Redeemer will raise our unique spirit from the dead - indeed He already has for those of us who believe. We just can't have it now because we are in a vessel that would melt under perfection. Thus, we would need to die in order to obtain that spirit.

dms1972 said:

Sorry, maybe I have misunderstood, are you saying those that were the offspring mentioned in Genesis 6 could be saved?

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(if you are talking to me) No. I do not mean that. They are humans, not angels.

Fallen angels cannot repent or be saved, because Jesus Christ did not come to die for anyone, but the human race that fell in Adam, which excludes any heavenly beings. This is very clearly taught in Hebrews chapter two:

"Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people." (verses 14-17)

Anything else is no more than speculation!

dms1972 said:

Can fallen angels repent? Will any be saved? I know there are one or two verses people refer to in the context of universalism. But it is also the case that Hell seems to have been prepared for the devil and the fallen angels, suggesting there is no salvation for them? If in fact hell is for the devil and his angels in particular, a literal fiery pit would seem a bit pointless if they are spiritual entities. Then there seem to have been angels? [sons of God] that married humans (Genesis 6:1-4) so what sort of beings were they?

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I will make this as short as I can. NO.