4th Century St.Augustine Exposes Ape-To-Man Hoax.

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Of course not since their Creator molded them from the dust, air and water like a Potter lovingly molds clay.
But your God is not powerful enough to form them lovingly from a precursor primate?
 
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YEC are scientists. The scientist who invented the MRI scan is YEC.

Anyone else notice that Damadian is the only modern YEC scientist that they mention? You'd think that if YEC was so conducive to doing good science they would have a whole stable of them to call upon.

Darwin was the false prophet who got this who evolution circus going for atheists!

Histrionic hyperbole is not the friend of someone trying to be taken seriously.

Really? Better fact check that claim because everyone of his claims have been proven false.

Laughably untrue. All of Darwin's basic propositions have been supported by the last 170 years of study.
- Descent with modification :heavycheck:
- Random mutation and natural selection :heavycheck:
- Past and present biogeography :heavycheck:
- Anatomical and molecular vestiges :heavycheck:
- Homologies :heavycheck:
- Common ancestry :heavycheck:
- A fossil record showing evolution over time :heavycheck:

DR.Louis Pasteur...a real scientist...thoroughly discredited evolution theory when he proved that micro-organisms multiply in the air, giving the appearance of spontaneous generation. That was the end right there for evolution theory.

I really wish critics of evolution would actually learn about what it is, and is not. Also they need to learn what Pasteur's experiment actually showed.
1. Evolution is about the origin of the species, not the origin of life.
2. Pasteur's experiment had zero to do with evolution.
3. Pasteur's experiment had zero to do with abiogenesis.
4. Pasteur's experiment falsified spontaneous generation which is the emergence of fully formed, adult animals from formerly living materials.

Evolution theory teaches moral relativism and survival of the fittest.

Evolution "teaches" nothing because it is a description of physical processes. The same way that plate tectonics and germ theory "teach" nothing.
 
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Laughably untrue. All of Darwin's basic propositions have been supported by the last 170 years of study.
- Descent with modification :heavycheck:
- Random mutation and natural selection :heavycheck:
- Past and present biogeography :heavycheck:
- Anatomical and molecular vestiges :heavycheck:
- Homologies :heavycheck:
- Common ancestry :heavycheck:
- A fossil record showing evolution over time :heavycheck:

None of this is true.



I really wish critics of evolution would actually learn about what it is, and is not. Also they need to learn what Pasteur's experiment actually showed.
1. Evolution is about the origin of the species, not the origin of life.
2. Pasteur's experiment had zero to do with evolution.
3. Pasteur's experiment had zero to do with abiogenesis.
4. Pasteur's experiment falsified spontaneous generation which is the emergence of fully formed, adult animals from formerly living materials.

Abiogenesis is the same thing as spontaneous generation and both terms have been used interchangeably throughout the decades.

Dictionaries are there to educate all students in word definitions

Spontaneous Generation
Spontaneous generation definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

Abiogenesis
Abiogenesis definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

Spontaneous generation
the definition of spontaneous generation

Abiogenesis
the definition of abiogenesis

You can grab any College Dictionary off your self and this is what both words mean
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Evolution "teaches" nothing because it is a description of physical processes. The same way that plate tectonics and germ theory "teach" nothing.

You sound like a Buddhist.
 
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Really? Better fact check that claim because everyone of his claims have been proven false. DR.Louis Pasteur...a real scientist...thoroughly discredited evolution theory when he proved that micro-organisms multiply in the air, giving the appearance of spontaneous generation. That was the end right there for evolution theory.
Do you have any idea how embarrassing this kind of stuff is for Christians who are actually in science? You have no idea at all what you're talking about.
 
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None of this is true.

All of it is true.

(See how easy it is to make a statement. It's harder to actually support it.)

Abiogenesis is the same thing as spontaneous generation and both terms have been used interchangeably throughout the decades.

That is absolutely false. The are two entirely different things.

Dictionaries are there to educate all students in word definitions

Dictionary definitions are records of how words are being used. They are not authoritative in and of themselves and only reflect common usage. Dictionaries are also woefully inadequate for defining complex scientific concepts.
Spontaneous generation - Wikipedia
>> The hypothetical processes by which life routinely emerges from nonliving matter on a time scale of minutes, weeks, or years (e.g. in the supposed seasonal generation of mice and other animals from the mud of the Nile) are sometimes referred to as abiogenesis.[7] Such ideas have no operative principles in common with the modern hypothesis of abiogenesis, which asserts that life emerged in the early ages of the planet, over a time span of at least millions of years, and subsequently diversified, and that there is no evidence of any subsequent repetition of the event. <<

Ironically if you look at the Merriam Webster definition for Spontaneous Generation, there is no mention of abiogenesis.
Definition of SPONTANEOUS GENERATION
>> Definition of spontaneous generation
: a now discredited notion that living organisms spontaneously originate directly from nonliving matter
"A difficulty that we have forgotten lay in the widespread belief in spontaneous generation. Aristotle had written that flies, worms, and other small animals originated spontaneously from putrefying matter." <<

You sound like a Buddhist.

Why are you talking about me instead of addressing what I wrote.
 
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Of course it can. You just need to look at the criteria for what constitutes a member of Animalia and then see if humans fit that. We do.

Arguing against this is like claiming water isn't wet. It's a rather pointless contention.

Humans were made in the likeness of God and not of flesh. We are temporarily existing in bodies of flesh but soon, we will return to our true likeness. Humans were first made long before plants, herbs and trees. Genesis 2:4-9

Given that belief in creationism is inversely correlated with understanding of science and evolution, the opinion of creationists about the science of evolution doesn't mean much. That's been my general experience dealing with creationists over the years.

Sure, but you are seeing a different kind of creationist in these last days. We show that many scientific facts in Genesis are just now being discovered. So far, this view has not been refuted by anyone. I call it God's Truth and it's evidence that the end is upon us. Amen?
 
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Humans were made in the likeness of God and not of flesh. We are temporarily existing in bodies of flesh but soon, we will return to our true likeness. Humans were first made long before plants, herbs and trees.

None of this has anything to do with the classification of humans as part of Animalia.

(Btw, for someone who keeps claiming how science is confirming the Bible, it's funny how you throw all that out when it's no longer convenient.)

Sure, but you are seeing a different kind of creationist in these last days.

We're seeing fewer of them at any rate. Creationist beliefs are on the decline.

And for the record, I put zero stock in this "end of days" nonsense that fundamentalists pedal. People have been predicting the end of the world for thousands of years and it's still here. There's no reason to think you're any different than anyone that has come before you.
 
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But your God is not powerful enough to form them lovingly from a precursor primate?

Sure He is but that is man's idea of how they think God should create a perfect Heaven but not God's way. The only way to come to such a conclusion is to reject God's Truth in Genesis, in favor of man's changeable part "truth".
 
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Sure He is but that is man's idea of how they think God should create a perfect Heaven but not God's way.
It's not just "man's idea" it's what the evidence points to.
The only way to come to such a conclusion is to reject God's Truth in Genesis, in favor of man's changeable part "truth".
Pardon me if I don't agree to letting you define for me what the truth of God's inspired word is.
 
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None of this has anything to do with the classification of humans as part of Animalia.

Not unless you wish to dehumanize us, downgrade us to the creatures we are destined to rule. Genesis 1:28 Animals are innocent creatures because they don't have the intelligence of God, but Humans do. Genesis 3:22

(Btw, for someone who keeps claiming how science is confirming the Bible, it's funny how you throw all that out when it's no longer convenient.)

Science mistakenly classifies Humans as animals because our genetics were mixed because Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans (descendants of Adam) to marry. Our Human blood was mixed with the blood of prehistoric people who DID descend from the last universal common ancestor, which was NOT Human.

FYI: Prehistoric people are Their (Trinity) kind and Humans are His (Jesus) kind.

We're seeing fewer of them at any rate. Creationist beliefs are on the decline.

Not for long. I have 10 agreements in Genesis with recent scientific discoveries which NO one can explain except that they were authored by God. As we come closer and closer to the end Science will announce more and more or them. It's proof of God, which is currently being poured out on ALL flesh in these last days.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh:
 
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It's not just "man's idea" it's what the evidence points to.Pardon me if I don't agree to letting you define for me what the truth of God's inspired word is.

Does your's agree in every way with every discovery of Science and History? Does it assume magical chemical generation or some other unsupportable generation method? Does it falsely assume that Apes magically acquired the superior intelligence of God? like man did? Genesis 3:22 Chapter and verse please.
 
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Does your's agree in every way with every discovery of Science and History? Does it assume magical chemical generation or some other unsupportable generation method? Does it falsely assume that Apes magically acquired the superior intelligence of God? like man did? Genesis 3:22 Chapter and verse please.
No, I don't belong to your sect so I don't have to defend my own views in your terms.
 
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And for the record, I put zero stock in this "end of days" nonsense that fundamentalists pedal. People have been predicting the end of the world for thousands of years and it's still here. There's no reason to think you're any different than anyone that has come before you.

What will you say when Science announces a new discovery which is first told of in Genesis? Do you know anyone else who shows you Scripturally that today is the 6th Day, the last Day of creation? The difference in me is that I can support my views with the agreement of Scripture, Science, History and Genetics.
 
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Not unless you wish to dehumanize us, downgrade us to the creatures we are destined to rule. Genesis 1:28 Animals are innocent creatures because they don't have the intelligence of God, but Humans do. Genesis 3:22
Enough of this abhorrent nonsense! Human rule of the animal world is promoting a massive extinction of species. Not exactly good husbandry, is it? If we truly were "destined to rule" over the animals, we have done such a mind-numbingly bad job of it that it is time we were retired from the scene. (And that would be an End Times quite different from the one you envisage.)

Anthropocentric arrogance is unwarranted and unseemly. If our intelligence is so wonderful and god-like it is great shame we do not make more use of it. That criticism may be levelled with greater force at certain members of this forum. Do you have a mirror to hand?
 
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What will you say when Science announces a new discovery which is first told of in Genesis?

Genesis is poetry. Trying to treat it as a science textbook seems a goofy proposition, especially given the lack of descriptive details found in Genesis coupled with varying interpretations over the years of which yours is just one of countless others.

If Genesis say, described in detail the molecular topology of DNA or detailed taxonomic descriptions of all species on Earth then that might be a little more impressive.

What it actually does is present a very high level mythological creation story based on the level of knowledge and storytelling of its era. It reads like the type of storytelling one might share around a fire.

That you think your post hoc interpretation and creationist fan fiction means anything in the modern age is just silly.

The difference in me is that I can support my views with the agreement of Scripture, Science, History and Genetics.

I know that's what you believe, but it's not what you can demonstrate. Especially since a lot of what you believe seems to depend on your own creationist fan fiction.
 
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Not unless you wish to dehumanize us

It has nothing to do with that. That is a projection of your own bias.

Science mistakenly classifies Humans as animals

<snip nonsensical babble>

Again, it's definitional in nature. Read the criteria for the classification of Animalia and then come back and tell me how humans don't fit: Animal - Wikipedia

You're still trying to argue that water isn't wet.

Not for long. I have 10 agreements in Genesis with recent scientific discoveries which NO one can explain except that they were authored by God.

No you don't. You have goofy post-hoc interpretation coupled with creationist fan fiction and selectively ignoring the very parts of Genesis contradicted by science.

Nothing you claim about Genesis is impressive.
 
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What will you say when Science announces a new discovery which is first told of in Genesis?
cool. Tell us something that Genesis predicts we will find out that we've yet to find out. Now, this has to be concrete. "spiritual" truths don't count. Science does peddle those.
 
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