WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

Neogaia777 said:

I'd like to hear @LoveGodsWord response or opinion to or on this...?

Or an SDA view even...?

I've been trying to say and point this out in so many words, but @klutedavid puts it much better than I can...

They think, and pride themselves on this whole issue, but while they think they are keeping and obeying it, they really are not, not technically, or literally, and they are actually breaking God's law, and not just in not keeping it, but in other ways also associated with their thinking they are keeping and obeying it (True Sabbath) and priding themselves on it or that, judging others over and for it, ect...

God Bless!

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klutedavid said:

The Sabbath day according to the law is calculated from the occurrence of the new moon, which is a lunar calendar.

You are correct aoh, the lunar Sabbath day varies each month and certainly is not the solar, Sabbath day equivalent. They most certainly rest on different Sabbath days compared to the law abiding Jews in Jerusalem.

The law dictates the lunar Sabbath day but that creates mayhem for the legalist, because a lunar Sabbath occurs on differing solar days in each month. Working life for the SDA would be impossible.

So obviously aon, they cannot obey the law to the letter as far as the Sabbath day is concerned.

If they wish to rest on a solar Sabbath day then they can rest on that day. God will judge them anyway regardless of the day that the Sabbath occurs.

The entire law was merely the blue print describing the fulfillment of all things by Jesus Christ. God cares not for the sacred festival assemblies nor for the Sabbaths, God is only interested in the new creation in Christ.

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David thanks for your post but your mixing up the shadow sabbaths of the ANNUAL FEAST days with God's ETERNAL LAW and 4th commandment of God's SEVETH DAY weekly SABBATH that is every SEVENTH DAY. It is the ANNUAL FEAST days that are determined by the Luna calander not God's 4th commandment which is simply every SEVENTH DAY of the week. You do not need a NEW MOON to determine the weekly Sabbath. It is the ANNUAL FEASTS, days of holy convocation and special sabbaths of the OLD COVENANT that were determined by the Luna cycle.

1. THE ANNUAL SHADOW FEAST SABBATHS <PLURAL> from the SHADOW laws of Moses *EXODUS 24:7 are special annual ceremonial sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle.

The Hebrew Word for these sabbaths is H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn shab-baw-thone' is From H7676; and means a sabbatism or SPECIAL HOLIDAY: - rest, sabbath.

This sabbath can fall on any day of the seek and is only used in the annual Jewish festivals of Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39). These feasts are NOT fulfilled and Shadows of things to come Col 2 v17 (e.g. 2nd coming, close of probation and judgement and God's people saved from their temporary dwelling on earth to the earth made new) NOTE: Col v17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. It is NOT fulfilled and has NOT finished and IS to COME. These are temporary Shadow Sabbaths showing God's plan of salvation.

2. GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT WEEKLY SABBATH which is one of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11). The Hebrew word use here for Sabbath has a DIFFERENT Hebrew word used compared to the ceremonial Sabbath of H7677. The Hebrew Word used here is H7676 and means H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673. The root word comes from H7673 which comes from the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3 and means shabath (shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion. KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

God's Sabbath is a memorial of creation and part of a FINISHED WORK BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it is part of a FINISHED work BEFORE SIN then it cannot be a SHADOW law of the plan of salvation because it was BEFORE the fall of mankind. Just like all the other 10 commandments God's Word says they are FOREVER and the very standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and the JUDGEMENT to come.

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God says is FOREVER nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14).

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CONCLUSION: The luna calander (NEW MOONS etc) according to God's WORD was for signs and seasons *GENESIS 1:14-19. This was important under the OLD COVENANT as the NEW MOONS timed the ANNUAL FEASTS of LEVITICUS 23. This does not effect God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of the 4th commandment which is simply once a week, every SEVENTH DAY. Your getting the sabbaths in the ANNUAL FEAST days and NEW MOONS mixed up with God's WEEKLY SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of Gods 4th Commandment which is every SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK. You do not need a luna calander to determine this as it is every SEVENTH DAY of the week.

Hope this helps

klutedavid said:

Here are some examples of the Hebrew word for 'month' and 'new moon', i.e., they are the same Hebrew word; Chodesh (H2320).

Here is a verse from Isaiah where the Hebrew Chodesh H2320 can be translated both as month or new moon.

Isaiah 66:23 (NASB)
"And it shall be from new moon (H2320) to new moon (H2320) and from sabbath to sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

Isaiah 66:23 (YLT)
And it hath been from month (H2320) to month (H2320), And from sabbath to sabbath, Come do all flesh to bow themselves before Me, Said Jehovah.

Here is an example of the translation of Strong's H2320 as 'the new moon' instead of 'month'.

1 Samuel 20:5
5 So David said to Jonathan, “Behold, tomorrow is the new moon (H2320), and I ought to sit down to eat with the king.

You can use either English word, 'month' or 'new moon', when translating the Hebrew 2320 in the Old Testament. That is because the Hebrew month began after the sighting of the new moon.
Logically when the new moon appeared the daily cycle began, so the seventh day is counted from when the new moon is visible.

Psalm 81:3
Blow the trumpet at the new moon (or month; H2320), at the full moon, on our feast day.

1 Chronicles 23:31
And to offer all burnt offerings to the Lord, on the sabbaths, the new moons (or months; H2320) and the fixed festivals in the number set by the ordinance concerning them, continually before the Lord.

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All these scripture you posted David support my post to you and that is these scriptures are in reference to the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS that the NEW MOONS and luna calander point to under the OLD COVENANT not God's 4th commandment which is every SEVENTH DAY of the week. You do not need a luna calander for a weekly Sabbath.

Kermos said:

The Word of God is Jesus as recorded in John 1:1 and John 1:14 and Luke 1:2. The Son of God is God's Word!

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Indeed. It is the LIVING WORD of God that has given us the written WORD of God that we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW. Only God's WORD is true and we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. God's people (the true Church) are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD as has been shown through the scriptures earlier.

Kermos said:

I do not disagree that LAWLESSNESS means to be without law.

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Then why do you teach that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) have been abolished when there is no scripture that teaches this?

Kermos said:

It is your imposition of LAWLESSNESS with the 4th commandment as you try to teach people to keep the Sabbath as opposed to Jesus giving rest per His word!

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There is no imposition on my behalf. There is only God's WORD that is true. We either BELIEVE and FOLLOW it or we do not. As shown in the OP here the purpose of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) in the NEW COVENANT is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. Acording to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. Now we get back to the OP here which asks the question, where in God's WORD does it say God's 4th Commandment (or God's LAW) have been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Here we are after 40 + pages and no one has provided a single scripture that shows God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day.

According to JESUS all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15;3-9. Therefore ONLY God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4.

According to God's WORD, all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Hope this helps.

Kermos said:

Jesus satisfied the law for us believers per His word here:"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17) Or, the same word of Jesus with another appropriate synonym: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to complete." (Matthew 5:17)

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As posted earlier the first part of the scripture you quote testifies against you. Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17).

[17], Think not that I am come to destroy the <1> law, or <2> the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to <3> fulfill.

NOTE: JESUS did not come to destroy or stop καταλύω; kataluō the law or the prophets (this is referring to torah both the 10 commandments and the Mosaic book of the covenant prophets and psalms).

The GREEK word fulfill used πληρόω; plēroō here has many applications depending on the context of use. The many meanings of fulfil πληρόω; plēroō are From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

In the context above we are referring to the law, prophets and Psalms. The CONTEXT is that JESUS has not come to destroy or bring to an END to the law, prophets and psalms. So the GREEK word use here for fulfill based on the rules of CONTEXT cannot mean bring to an end or expire. The meaning here then considering the GREEK word and primary context whics not to destroy being used then is to SATISFY, to EXECUTE, ACCOMPLISH, PERFECT or FULFILL the requirements of the LAW and the PROPHETS and PSALMS which were spoken of JESUS. This is re-emphasized in v18

[18], For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

NOTE: The topic is still the same here in v18 and the CONTEXT therefore is still the LAW and the prophets and Psalms. This passage is referring to HEAVEN and EARTH passing away. This does not take place until after the SECOND COMING. As HEAVEN and EARTH have not passed away and as yet there has been no SECOND COMING it should be very clear that all things concerning CHRIST and God's plan of salvation for mankind written in the law and the prophets and Psalms have NOT YET BEEN FULFILLED.

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CONCLUSION The GREEK meaning of fulfill in v17 πληρόω; plēroō defines it's meaning from the CONTEXT of application which is JESUS saying he has not come to destroy or bring to an end the law and the prophets (torah) the GREEK application for fulfill then cannot mean bring to an end as this is not the meaning of the context used before by JESUS saying he has not come to bring to an end (destroy). The context meaning of fulfill in v17 πληρόω; plēroō therefore means to SATISFY, to EXECUTE, ACCOMPLISH, PERFECT or FULFILL the requirements of the LAW and the PROPHETS and PSALMS which were spoken of JESUS.
Not all thing have been fulfilled concerning JESUS in the law and the prophets and Psalms as Heaven and Earth have not passed away and there has not been a second coming to complete God's plan of salvation for mankind so not all things have been fulfilled. What has been fulfilled is Christs work on earth but not in HEAVEN.
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With these thoughts in mind brother let's move through the scriptures of MATTHEW 5:17-29 slowly as they further show that none of God's Commandments have been abolished.

MATTHEW 5:17-29
[17], Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
[18], For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19], Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[20], For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

[21], You have heard that it was said of them of old time, You shall not kill; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[22], But I say to you, That whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
[23], Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has ought against you;
[24], Leave there your gift before the altar, and go your way; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
[25], Agree with your adversary quickly, whiles you are in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver you to the judge, and the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be cast into prison.
[26], Truly I say to you, You shall by no means come out there, till you have paid the uttermost farthing.
[27], You have heard that it was said by them of old time, You shall not commit adultery:
[28], But I say to you, That whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.
[29], And if your right eye offend you, pluck it out, and cast it from you: for it is profitable for you that one of your members should perish, and not that your whole body should be cast into hell.

[31], It has been said, Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce:
[32], But I say to you, That whoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.

Yep Jesus is certainly referencing the 10 Commandment applying them to our very thoughts and feelings.

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NOTE: After stating that none of God's LAW (10 Commandments) have been abolished v17-19, Jesus then goes on to say; v20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus then goes on and amplifies the application of God's LAW to the heart (thoughts and feelings) which is the very root of sin saying that if we lust after women we are committing Adultery and being angry with your brother as murder from the 10 commandments as examples in v17-27.Jesus starts out by saying;

Jesus finishes by saying in v48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

NOTE: The application here in v19-32 changes to specifically focus now on God's 10 commandments where JESUS is saying whoever breaks any one of God's 10 Commandmetns shall be called the least in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN; that is by those already there. The least in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN are those who do not go there. The application of here of the 10 Commandments is shown in v20-22 and v32 where JESUS uses examples of the commandments he is referring to citing "YOU SHALL NOT KILL" and "COMMIT ADULTERY" which are two of God's 10 Commandments found in EXODUS 20:13-14. It is pretty clear here that if JESUS came to put an end to God's 10 Commandments he would not be teaching them and increasing their application to the inside out in verses 19-22 and verses 31-32.

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CONCLUSION: JESUS did not come to destroy the law or the prophets he came to fulfill them. The are not fulfilled. Christs work on earth is fulfilled but not God's plan of salvation which is also written in the law and the prophets and Psalms. God's eternal law (the 10 Commandments) are not abolished and not to be broken.

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Now we have had an overall look at MATTHEW 5:17 in context with the rest of the chapter to v32, lets focus our attention to MATTHEW 5:20.

[20], For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART.

It is BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. We all have a sinful nature *ROMANS 7. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9.

This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

Hope this helps.

ace of hearts said:

Agreed. This is in addition to my regular discussion about Ex 20:8-11.

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What is it you agree to? What have you discussed in EXODUS 20:8-11?

ace of hearts said:

Must not be much interest in the OP.

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The simple truth is that there is no scripture that answered the questions posted in the OP .

The reason the OP was made was to discuss MATTHEW 15:3-9 where JESUS states that if we knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Yep there is none. If there is no scripture that says that God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day, who are we following God or man? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

ace of hearts said:

The verse provides a condition for the law to pass. It says unless all be fulfilled heaven and earth can't pass away.

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What???? Nope, no it doesn't. The primary CONTEXT is till heaven and earth pass.
MATTHEW 5:18 [18], For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

ace of hearts said:

Jesus said - LK 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

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Indeed the scriptures hold the key here brother did you pick it up? THAT ALL THINGS MUST BE FULFILLED IN THE LAW OF MOSES, and in the PROPHETS and in the PSALMS CONCERNING ME.

The SHADOW LAWS from the MOSIAC BOOK of the LAW, the PROPHETS and PSALMS all pointed to JESUS as the COMING MESSIAH. The MOSAIC BOOK of the law in the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 are not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken under the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken.

ace of hearts said:

You can argue all you wish against this being a reference to Mat 5:17-18. But Heb 7:12 is proof jots and tittles has passed from the law. Jesus can't be a priest according to the law because He's from the tribe of Judah. Jesus isn't from the tribe of Levi required to be a priest. If Jesus isn't your priest (intermediary with the Father) you don't have salvation.

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Your very own words brother here show that HEBREWS 7 is not talking about God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments). It is talking about the MOSAIC law from the BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 and the SHADOW laws of the Priesthood.

HEBREWS 7 CHANGE OF LAW

Your trying to argue that the change in the law in HEBREWS 7:12 is in reference to the 10 Commandments because you thought that the OLD COVENANT is only the 10 commandments. The scripture posted above show that the OLD COVENANT include both the 10 commandments and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:8, which contained all the laws for remission of sin, ceremonial ordinances for the Levitical priest hood. So what is the CONTEXT of HEBREWS 7 and what laws is it talking about? Is HEBREWS 7 talking about the 10 commandments or the MOSAIC BOOK of the laws for remission of sins *DEUTERONOMY 29:21?

Let's look at the scriptures...

HEBREWS 7:1-28
[1], For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[2], To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[3], Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; stays a priest continually.
[4], Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
[5], And truly they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brothers, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

NOTE: In the earthly Sanctuary only those from the tribe of Levi could be Priests. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah also note that the context of the chapter now is the Priesthood and the king and Priest in the days of Abraham named Melchisedec.

[6], But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
[7], And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
[8], And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
[9], And as I may so say, Levi also, who receives tithes, paid tithes in Abraham.
[10], For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
[11], If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

NOTE: Topic is on the Levitical Priesthood the law we are talking about are the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 40:12-15; Leviticus 1-23. The Priesthood was to be only for the tribe of Levi under the OLD COVENANT.

[12], For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[13], For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[14], For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
[15], And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there rises another priest,

NOTE: Jesus from the tribe of Judah is now our great high Priest from the order of Melchisedec. No more animal sacrifices.

[16], Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[17], For he testifies, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[18], For there is truly a cancellation of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[19], For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw near to God.
[20], And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
[21], For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said to him, The Lord swore and will not repent, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
[22], By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
[23], And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
[24], But this man, because he continues ever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
[25], Why he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him, seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them.
[26], For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[27], Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

[28], For the law makes men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, makes the Son, who is consecrated for ever more.

NOTE: v28 does the 10 commandments make men high Priests or does the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 40:12-15; Leviticus 1-23?

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 7:12 in relation to the change of laws is talking about the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW not the 10 commandments and a change in the Priesthood and the laws that accompany it from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 24:7. Not the 10 commandments. Can you see your mistake here? Is there anything you are specifically referring to in Galatians you wish to discuss?

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

ace of hearts said:

If this is true, then Col 2:16-17 is true about the sabbath passing because the weekly sabbath is clearly called a shadow.

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As shown above your claims that HEBREWS 7:12 is talking about God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is a false one. As shown many times already COLOSSIANS 2 is talking about the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES v16 is in regards to SHADOWS in the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken under the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. You mix up your shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken. The ceremonial "SPECIAL" sabbaths connected to FEAST days of the OLD COVENANT were not God's 4th Commandment and could fall on any day of the week depoending on the yearly cycles. Need more scripture? This has been addressed already throughout this thread and elsewhere most recently 1. HERE linked and 2. HERE linked and more detailed scripture 3. HERE linked.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

ace of hearts said:

Unless your year is 6 days long the first feast day is the weekly sabbath Lev 23:2 and 3.

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Already addressed recently with a detailed scripture reply 1. HERE linked and 2. HERE linked and more detailed scripture 3. HERE linked. Perhaps you should read it? Please respond if you disagree with anything posted and prove your position with God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

ace of hearts said:

There are quite a few words in Hebrew meaning the weekly sabbath. I'm really not interested in listing them unless you pester me about it. It really wouldn't be on topic for this thread.

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Absoultely, that is why I posted the HEBREW words used for the SHADOW sabbaths connected to the ANNUAL FEAST days meaning "SPECIAL" sabbaths that are not God's 4th commandment and could fall on any day of the ANNUAL FEAST days. This was done to show that the FEAST sabbaths of Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39) are not God's SEVENTH DAY WEEKLY Sabbath of the 4th Commandment. The HEBREW words used here is "SPECIAL" sabbath H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn shab-baw-thone'. These sabbaths are not God's SABBATH of the 4th commandment, H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath.

Hope this helps

Neogaia777 said:

Look, Am I going to hell or am I going to go to hell, or do I stand forever condemned, or is my faith invalid or not true, or my relationship with Him non-existent or invalid also, if I worship on Sunday, and maybe see it, or any of this, as a non-issue...?

That is because, if that answer is "no", and I believe it is, then that makes this a non-issue in my book...

But if your trying to establish the facts about the "true historical or literal day of the Saturday Sabbath, as it was back then, or going by what they went by", (which your supposed to do or be observing under the OC, which is a thing the Jews actually do understand), you'd have to go by the lunar calendar, and technically, if you do not, your not keeping it like they did...

Then if your gonna follow or be or put yourself under the OC, you are under obligation to keep, and do, and always obey perfectly, and observe, do or perform or live up to, all of it, not just parts, or the parts you think you can pick or choose, or your denomination chooses... Another thing the Jews understand...

Seventh Day of the week, OK, Sunday is internationally recognized as the seventh day of the week now... just thought I'd throw that in there... does that change anything...?

And it's sundown to sundown, isn't it, sun up, maybe, can't remember...? Or was it four watches, or periods of the day, and of the night, I can't remember...?

Jesus rose on Sunday, and was Glorified on Sunday, and is the "Lord's day" ect, and some say should be a or the day of rest for that reason also...

God Bless!

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Hello brother Neogaia777,

There is no Luna calander requirement for God's SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath as it is every seventh day of the week. The Luna calander was a requirement for the timing of the ANNUAL FEAST days of LEVITICUS 23. This has already been demonstrated through the scriptures in posts # 789 and post # 790 linked.

According to the Hebrew calendars and traditional Christian calendars and the bible, Sunday has always been the first day of the week. However, according to the International Organization for Standardization ISO 8601 (European calander), Sunday was changed from the first day of the week which is what it always has been to the seventh and last day of the week in 1988. Once again this has nothing to do with Gods Calander and the bible as it is a recent man-made creation.

We are in the NEW COVENANT now not the OLD COVENANT. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knoowledge of what SIN is when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11.

According to God's WORD alone, all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

God's people are in EVERY Church living up to all the light (knowledge) God has revealed to them. Our probation on this earth is until we die or when JESUS returns whatever comes first.

In times of IGNORANCE God does not hold us accountable to sin *ACTS 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17 until we RECEIVE a KNOWLEDGE of the truth as we CONTINUE in his WORD *JOHN 8:31.

Once a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come God calls all men everywhere to REPENT and BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30. If we reject God's WORD then we are no longer BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God because we are still in our sins. ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments) will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God's people are in every Church. God's is calling all his people where ever they may be to COME OUT of following the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God to worship GOD in SPIRIT and in truth. *JOHN 4:23-24

In times of IGNORANCE God winks at but when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come calls all men everywhere to repent and BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30-31.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word)