Is the Earth flat or round???
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Those similarities include misinterpreting Scripture to fit their agenda.
Most Christians do.
Law of excluded middle doesn't seem to agree with this wild analogy. So how does the globe earth view reflect on the big bang model?
Nobody is being saved by FE. All a lie will do is sensationalize them for a time before they finally realize its a lie and then they become apostates.
Some people never accept the truth.
A model that twist the Bible with a radical 21st century interpretation that the early church would not recognize. As long as FE is using the Bible to push this false testimony against God's word it has everything to do with Christianity. But we Christians don't appreciate people with no knowledge of Scripture telling us what we believe.
Not one person on this forum had been able to supply a single flat earth verse from the Bible.
Well they're not using creation science.
It's the most established fact both creationists and evolutionists don't argue over.
Again, no fact in science has ever been more verified and agreed upon by everybody than the globular shape of the earth.
Probably marijuana since its legal to abuse in many states now.
And yet the most established fact in science not disputed by any scientists is the spherical shape of the earth.
I think it is. I see it as false testimony against God's word, what God did. If a person truly loves God then they will not spread such accusations against Scripture.
There are some flat earthers who hold that the globe model is 666.
I debate in written forum so writings can be examined.
I already did. It's titled The Spinning Globe Post on this forum. Perhaps I'll post it again later but right now I need to go to work.
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Ridiculous false dilemma. Will nobody consider the possibility that the earth could be cylindrical...
...or toroidial?
...or toroidial?
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People of opposing views, who hold scripture as their source... could argue all day as to who has the proper interpretation. It is done here, regularly.
The views that you attach to all FE'ers... due to your knowledge of the FE society.... are not the views of FE'ers. You are attaching multiple different unrelated views to all who are involved in one similar view.
Not in my experience. There are a large percentage of Christians who consider scripture to be myth, allegory, parables or metaphors... if it does not align with common science and academia.
I have no idea what "excluded middle is".
The big bang does, for some, works with the globe... it is impossible with a FE, enclosed terrarium.
See, that's just it... if you don't investigate, you make statements like this.. there are numerous people who have come to Christ... by way of FE..
Now, it is not my method of evangelizing.. not at all..I would strongly advise against it..
However, some.. discover the FE phenomenon... research it... accept it.. and then conclude that the biblical scripture must be true...
Go figure...Truth is truth ... even if you deny it. This happens.
Yup.
FE is not "using the Bible" to push anything.. People are out there making observations that, to them, prove that the earth is flat.
FE Christians are simply stating that the bible states things that align with the FE..
Again.. Show me one verse that describes a globe, spinning, orbiting and moving through space.
They have, you just right it off as metaphor, allegory or misinterpretation.
There are more than 200 verses that can be used to describe a unmovable, earth supported by pillars and a dome over top. Far from a spinning, sphere hurling through a vast void.
What? They are using the scientific principals of truth needing to be.. observable.. testable and repeatable.
How on earth would you be able to judge if they are or are not using "creation Science"?
It is a solid belief that 99.9999999999999% of all humans alive accept as truth..
We have been wrong before. I don't see your point.. Truth is not a democracy.
1 million people can believe something.. one person can disagree.. if the one person is right... then they are right.. no matter how many disagree.
Yes.. there is millions of scientific facts that are held just as true as the shape of the earth. Just stop and think what you are saying.
It's legal in all of Canada ... I think you missed my point.... sigh...
Again, there are millions of scientific facts that are held just as solid and undisputed as the shape of the earth... Please... think of what you are claiming.
Two people walk into a church.. both take communion.. both are Baptized... both believe in Christ and that He is their Lord and savior... one is a FE'er.. the other believes in the globe....
Are they both saved?
Ya.. that's what I thought.... not a salvation issue.
There are 100's of theological views of a plethora of biblical concepts.. that are argued every day.... that are not salvation issues..
Neither is the FE/globe earth argument.
That's very interesting.. Gotta see how they spin that one...
Also, "some" FE'ers probably are divorced.. some cheat on income tax, some speed in their cars, some swear and get drunk, some are homosexual, some are liars, some gossip, some are gluttons, some beat their wives.......
SOME... means nothing. Especially when it is so blatantly obviously out to lunch.
Hey, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that.... You just keep telling me to bring these others here... It ain't happening. Sorry... That's not the way it works.
Can you please post the Chapter and verse... when you get home from work.. of course.
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I'm sure you could find someone out there who would.Ridiculous false dilemma. Will nobody consider the possibility that the earth could be cylindrical...
...or toroidial?
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I agree.. there is a little of everything there.
Let's just not discredit someones argument just because it came from YouTube... That is not a valid response.
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Flat earth is as real as flying pigs. Its just pure fantasy.
People misinterpret scripture thinking that it is confirming a non globe earth. They twist the actual meanings to suit their narrow beliefs.
People misinterpret scripture thinking that it is confirming a non globe earth. They twist the actual meanings to suit their narrow beliefs.
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Lost, it's always so comforting to see someone with such solid data, evidence, scripture and observable proof to back up their statements.
Some people come here and state things without a shred of content to back up what they are stating.. They just blurt something and expect everyone to accept it...simply because they stated it...
So refreshing..... Keep it up.
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Thing is, you ALWAYS disagree with facts presented to you! I have seen it time and again. You always deny scientific facts / proof for a globe. ALWAYS!
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The Spinning Globe Post.
Job 38:14, The Rotation of the earth
“It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment” (KJV)
Other Translations:
“It is turned as clay to fashion, and all stand up as a garment” (1599 Geneva Bible).
“It is turned like clay by the seal,
and it stands out as a garment” (MEV)
“It turneth itself as clay of a seal And they station themselves as clothed” (YLT).
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Bible Commentaries
So it [the earth] is turning in a full rotation facing the dayspring (v.12). Henry Morris hammers this one down very well in his classic work The Remarkable Record of Job, p.40,
"Job suggests not only that the earth was suspended in space but also that it rotates about its north-projecting axis. “Hast thou commanded the morning since they days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth; that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; they stand out as a garment” (Job 38:12-14). Though figurative language, this reflects a true physical process. God is pictured as taking hold of the two ends of the earth’s axis and turning it as if it were a clay cylinder receiving an impression from a seal. The seal toward which the earth is turned, however, is not a metallic pattern. Rather, it is the “dayspring,” evidently the sun fixed in its place.”
The Henry Morris Study Bible,
“38:14 turned. This figurative expression refers to God’s initiation of the earth’s rotation and the day-night cycle. Each night, like a rotating clay cylinder exposing the impressions of the seal, the earth turns to the sun (or “dayspring”), exposing the wicked and their works of the night.”
Jamieson, Fausset & Brown Bible Commentary, Vol.2,
“14. Explaining the first clause of v.13, as v.15 does the second clause. As the plastic clay represents the various figures impressed on it by a seal, so the earth, which in the dark was void of all form, when illuminated by the day-spring, presents a variety of forms, hills, valleys, etc. “Turned” (‘turns itself’,’ Hebrew) alludes to the rolling cylinder seal, from one to three inches long, such as is found in Babylon, which leaves the impression on the soft plastic clay, as it is turned about: so the morning light rolling on over the earth. Rich (‘On the Ruins of Babylon’) in Barnes, says, ‘The cuneiform writing of these cylinder seals is reversed, or written from right to left, whereas every other cuneiform writing is to be read from left to right. This can only be accounted for by supposing that they were intended to roll impressions.’ they stand--the forms of beauty unfolded by the dawn stand forth as a garment in which the earth is clad.”
The Bible Knowledge Commentary, 1885 Edition
“38:12-15. God’s control of the earth also includes the daily sequence of dawn and darkness. The dawn causes the wicked, who are active at night (cf. 24:14-17; John 3:19), to hide. It is as if the morning light were shaking them out of a blanket (Job 38:13), causing them to be broken in their power (upraised arm, v. 15; cf. 40:9). As the sun comes up the earth’s contours become evident and the wicked no longer have darkness, which they call their light, in which to work. Since Job had nothing to do with establishing or controlling this aspect of Creation how could he question God’s doings now?”
The language of Job 38:12-15 is deeply figurative but the rotation of the earth can be clearly seen as well as the sun’s stationary position in the solar system, making this passage stand out as a garment of light to those who seek the depth of truth which turns in it’s revolution out of the darkness. This passage also helps interpret Job 26:10 “the boundary of light and darkness.”
*Note: figurative language is used to capture a deeper spiritual meaning.
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Early Church Fathers on the Rotation of the Earth.
† St.Ambrose (337-397 A.D.)
The following quotations come from 4th century St.Ambrose from his work called the "Hexameron", from The Fathers Of The Church series translated by John J. Savage.
“Consequently, the year, too, has the stamp of a world coming to birth, as the splendor of the springtime shines forth all the more clearly because of the winter’s ice and darkness now past. The shape of the circles of years to come has been given form by the first dawn of the world” (p.12).
The circle of years. That sounds like a globe circling the sun to me.
This next quotation from St.Ambrose is long but necessary for this subject. Here Ambrose defines what immovable earth means while also quoting from a Psalm in which the earth is moving! Ambrose is explaining how the earth abides by the laws ordained for it by God, that it will not fall down (since it is suspended in space, Job 26:7). The earth will not float away. It is a fixed sphere and will not move from its ordained laws.
“How the disposition of the earth therefore depends upon the power of God, you may learn also where it is written: ‘He looketh upon the earth and maketh it tremble,’ and elsewhere: ‘One again I move the earth.’ Therefore, the earth remains immovable not by its balances, but is moved frequently by the nod and free will of God, as Job, too, says: ‘The Lord shaketh it from its foundations, and the pillars thereof tremble.’ And elsewhere: ‘Hell is naked before him and there is no covering for death. He stretched out the north over the empty space and hangeth the earth upon nothing. He bindeth up the waters in his clouds. The pillars of heaven fled away and are in dread at his rebuke. By his power the seas are calmed, by his wisdom is struck down the sea-monster, and the gates of heaven fear him.’
By the will of God, therefore, the earth remains immovable. ‘The earth standeth for ever,’ according to Ecclesiastes, yet is moved and nods according to the will of God. It does not therefore continue to exist because based on its own foundation. It does not stay stable because based on its own props. The Lord established it by the support of His will, because ‘in his hand are all the ends of the earth.’ The simplicity of this faith is worth all the proffered proofs.
Let others hold approvingly that the earth never will fall, because it keeps its position in the midst of the world in accordance with nature. They maintain that it is from necessity that the earth remains in its place and is not inclined in another direction, as long as it does not move contrary to nature but in accordance with it. Let them take occasion to magnify the excellence of their divine Artist and eternal Craftsman. What artist is not indebted to Him? ‘Who gave to women the knowledge of weaving or the understanding of embroidery?’ However, I who am unable to comprehend the excellence of His majesty and His art do not entrust myself to theoretical weights and measures. Rather, I believe that all things depend on His will, which is the foundation of the universe and because of which the world endures up to the present” (pp.22-23).
This explanation rules out a stationary interpretation of Scripture completely.
“However, in the circular quality of a sphere these elements are confused and lose the impulse of their course, inasmuch as a sphere is turned around in its orb and hence the elements above change place with the elements beneath and vise-versa” (p.23).
The circular quality of a sphere [Strong’s H2328 - H2329]. This sphere is turned (Job 38:14). We can see how Ambrose is reading and interpreting Scripture.
The next citation from the Hexameron of St.Ambrose deals with how 4th century skeptics of the Bible claim that the earth cannot be a sphere because water could not remain on it.
“And first of all these interpreters wish to destroy the profound impressions which frequent reading of the Scriptures have made in our mind, maintaining that waters cannot exist above the heavens. That heavenly sphere, they say, is round, with the earth in the middle of it; hence, water cannot stay on that circular surface, from which it needs must flow easily away, falling from a higher to a lower position. For how, they say, can water remain on a sphere when the sphere itself revolves?” (p.52).
In the next quotation Ambrose begins the paragraph with “Scripture points out”, and then cites from Isa.40:22,
“And further on: ‘Who sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts, who stretcheth out the heavens as an arch?’ Who, then, ventures to put his knowledge in the same plane with that of God?” (p.231).
† Clement of Alexandria (150-215 A.D.)
Clement was a 2nd century church father. The following is taken from his writing called The Instructor, which I’m citing from the very last page of Book III entitled To The Paedagous:
“And when the seasons, in their circling course,
Winter and summer, spring and autumn, each
Should come, according to well-ordered plan;
Out of a confused heap who didst create
This ordered sphere, and from the shapeless mass
Of matter didst the universe adorn;--
Grant to me life, and be that life well spent,
Thy grace enjoying; let me act and speak
In all things as Thy Holy Scriptures teach”
(Ante-Nicene Christian Library, Vol.1).
And the Holy Scriptures taught Clement about the sphere of the earth and the circular course in which brings the four seasons. How do you get 4 seasons on a flat earth anyway?
† St.Clement of Rome (35 - 99 A.D.)
"20.The heavens revolve by His arrangement and are subject to Him in peace. 2 Day and night complete the revolution ordained by Him, and neither interferes in the least with the other." (Clement of Rome; Ancient Christian Writers, Vol.1: "Epistle to the Corinthians," Chapter 20:1-2, p.22).
Even back in the 1st century A.D., 2000 years ago, long before the modern era of science, Clement of Rome read about a spherical earth that rotated on its axis. What verse are the ancient Christian church fathers reading? I believe its all in the Book of Job, as verses like Job 26:10 and Job 38:14 indicate how the earth turns (rotates). Even Job 37:12 expresses with similarity how the weather patterns of the earth move all around the habitable globe.
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With the amount of scientific proof that the earth is indeed a globe, it baffles me how a small minority can believe the earth is flat! It is beyond belief how they can twist things to try and say the earth is flat!
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Globe Earth verses of The Bible in Latin & English -- with 4 Hebrew Lexicons
Contents
Introduction
Globe Earth Verses, Latin & English
Hebrew Lexicons for H2328 & H2329, חוּג Chuwg
Hebrew Lexicons for H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl
Introduction
The Latin Vulgate was translated from the original languages of the Bible (Hebrew & Greek) in the late 4th century by St.Jerome. I have written much on this subject from the perspective of English translations. But this work will contain each verse in English & the Latin Vulgate, along with Strong's numbers. I will also provide Hebrew and Latin definitions for each word that means globe in our common English language. English translations will be selected from the most accurate translation for each verse.
Jerome's Latin Vulgate has been the most widely used Bible in all Christian history.
Globe Earth Verses, Latin & English
This section provides a list of 16 globe earth verses from the Latin Vulgate and the best English translation in each verse.
1. 1 Samuel 2:8,
Latin Vulgate: "suscitat de pulvere egenum et de stercore elevat pauperem ut sedeat cum principibus et solium gloriae teneat Domini enim sunt cardines terrae et posuit super eos orbem"
Word: Orbem (aka, Orbis), from H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl
English Definition of Orb
Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "He reyseth vp the poore out of the duste, and lyfteth vp the begger from the dong hill: to set them among princes, and to enheret them with the seate of glory. For the pyllers of the earth are the Lordes, and he hath set the rounde worlde vpon them" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew-Tyndale Bible).
2, Job 26:10,
Latin Vulgate: "terminum circumdedit aquis usque dum finiantur lux et tenebrae."
Word: circumdedit, from H2328 חוּג chûwg
Latin Definition
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...4c2a62687719ea1a76371742677fba68aa357db0.html
Compass/Encompass Defined
https://wikidiff.com/compass/encompass
English: "He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end" (Strong's H2328: חוּג chûwg; -- KJV).
3. Job 37:12,
Latin Vulgate: "quae lustrant per circuitum quocumque eas voluntas gubernantis duxerit ad omne quod praeceperit illis super faciem orbis terrarum"
Word: Orbis terrarum, from H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl & H776 אֶרֶץ ʼerets
English Definition of Orb
Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Latin Definition of Orbis terrarum
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0
English "Being turned by his guidance to their doing all that he commanded them upon the face of the habitable globe of the earth" (Strong's H2015 הָפַךְ hâphak, H4524 מֵסַב mêçab, H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl, H776 אֶרֶץ ʼerets -- 1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).
4. Psalm 18:15,
Latin Vulgate, is Psalm 17:16: "et apparuerunt fontes aquarum et revelata sunt fundamenta orbis terrarum ab increpatione tua Domine ab inspiratione spiritus irae tuae"
Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl
Orb, English Definition
Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English "The sprynges of waters were sene, and the foundacyons of the rounde worlde were discouered at thy chidynge (O Lorde) at the blastynge and breth of thy displeasures" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
5. Psalm 19:4,
Latin Vulgate: "in omnem terram exivit sonus eorum et in fines orbis terrae verba eorum."
Word: Orbis terrarum, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl & H776 אֶרֶץ ʼerets
English Definition
Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Latin Definition of Orbis terrarum
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0
English: "Their line went forth into all the earth, and their words into the ends of the habitable globe. In them he set a tent for the sun" (H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl - 1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).
6. Psalm 24:1,
Latin Vulgate: "psalmus David prima sabbati Domini est terra et plenitudo eius orbis terrarum et universi; qui habitant in eo"
Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl
English Definition
Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English "A Psalme of Dauid. The earth is the Lordes, & all that therin is: the compase of the world, & al that dwell therein" (H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
7. Psalm 89:11,
Latin Vulgate: "tui sunt caeli et tua est terra orbem terrae et plenitudinem eius tu fundasti"
Word: Orbem, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl
Orb, English Definition
Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English "The heauens are thine, the earth is thine: thou hast layed the foundation of the rounde world, and al that therin is" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
8. Psalm 93:1,
Latin Vulgate: "laus cantici David in die ante sabbatum quando inhabitata est terra Dominus regnavit decore indutus est indutus est Dominus fortitudine et praecinxit se etenim firmavit orbem terrae qui non commovebitur"
Word: Orbem, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl
Orb, English Definition
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...26_wUdTbowh9nB7Dgw9j0jL_WybqAL_V4u_B5jD1cY7nA
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "The Lorde is kyng, and hath put on glorious apparell, the Lorde hath put on his apparell, & gyrded him selfe with strengthe: he hath made the rounde world so sure, that it can not be moued" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
9. Psalm 96:10,
ELatin Vulgate: "dicite in gentibus quia Dominus regnavit etenim correxit orbem qui non movebitur iudicabit populos in aequitate."
Word: Orbem (aka, Orbis), from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "Tell it out amonge the Heathen, that the Lorde is kynge: and that it is he, which hath made the rounde worlde so faste, that it can not be moued, and howe that he shall iudge the people righteously" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
10. Proverbs 8:27,
Latin Vulgate: "quando praeparabat caelos aderam quando certa lege et gyro vallabat abyssos."
Word: Gyro, from H2329 חוּג chûwg
Latin Definition of Gyro
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...2832ea3f707b19f38694737b9f1e4ee9a2ad7acc.html
English: “When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth” ((Strong's H2329: חוּג chûwg -- KJV).
11. Proverbs 8:31,
Latin Vulgate: "ludens in orbe terrarum et deliciae meae esse cum filiis hominum"
Word: Orbe terrarum, from H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl & H776 אֶרֶץ ʼerets
English Definition of Orb
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...byT3iEYN9yZtkVZHQzQ6bXb2vWz7OfIkIBxWzxE2mNdF0
Latin Definition of Orbe terrarum
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...TfVc6P3TWfpYKZkRKQan5Q-h4h1CRu06dNzISfm3fFy0o
Best English Translation: "As for the rounde compase of his worlde, I make it ioyfull: for my delyte is to be among the chyldren of men" (Strong's H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
12. Isaiah 18:3,
Latin Vulgate: "omnes habitatores orbis qui moramini in terra cum elevatum fuerit signum in montibus videbitis et clangorem tubae audietis"
Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl
Orb, English Definition
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...26_wUdTbowh9nB7Dgw9j0jL_WybqAL_V4u_B5jD1cY7nA
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "Yea, al ye that syt in the compasse of the worlde, and dwell vpon the earthe, when the token shalbe geuen vpon the mountaynes, then loke vp: & when the horne bloweth, then herken to" (1537 Matthew's Bible).
13. Isaiah 34:1,
Latin Vulgate: "accedite gentes et audite et populi adtendite audiat terra et plenitudo eius orbis et omne germen eius"
Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl
Orb, English Definition
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...26_wUdTbowh9nB7Dgw9j0jL_WybqAL_V4u_B5jD1cY7nA
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "Come ye Heithen & heare, take hede ye people. Herken thou earth & all that is therin: thou rounde compasse & all that groweth there vpon" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
14. Isaiah 40:22,
Latin Vulgate: "qui sedet super gyrum terrae et habitatores eius sunt quasi lucustae qui extendit velut nihilum caelos et expandit eos sicut tabernaculum ad inhabitandum"
Word: Gyrum (aka, Gyrus), from H2329: חוּג chûwg
Latin Definition of Gyrus
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...6xZdr1VYJgTQ4bTP6IrXghta4HftCpq2RT4krKufvdjLY
English: "It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in" (Strong's H2329: חוּג chûwg, -- Douay Rheims Bible).
15. Jeremiah 10:12,
Latin Vulgate: "qui facit terram in fortitudine sua praeparat orbem in sapientia sua et prudentia sua extendit caelos"
Word: Orbem, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl
Orb, English Definition
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...26_wUdTbowh9nB7Dgw9j0jL_WybqAL_V4u_B5jD1cY7nA
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "But (as for oure God) he made the earth with his power, and with hys wysdom hath he fynished the whole compasse of the worlde, wyth hys discrecion hath he spred oute the heauens" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
16. Jeremiah 51:15,
Latin Vulgate: "qui fecit terram in fortitudine sua praeparavit orbem in sapientia sua et prudentia sua extendit caelos"
Word: Orbem, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl
Orb, English Definition
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...26_wUdTbowh9nB7Dgw9j0jL_WybqAL_V4u_B5jD1cY7nA
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "Yea euen the Lorde of hostes, that wyth his power made the earthe, with hys wysedome prepared the rounde worlde, and with his discrecyon spred oute the heauens" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
Hebrew Lexicons for H2328 & H2329, חוּג Chuwg
The New Strong’s Expanded Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible,
H2328. חוּג Chuwg, kloog; a prim. root [comp.2287]; to describe a circle:--compass [1x]."
H2329. חוּג Chuwg, khoog; from 2328; a circle:--circle [1x], circuit [1x], compass [1x]."
Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon, H2329: "חוּג m. a circle, sphere, used of the arch or vault of the sky, Pro.8:27; Job 22:14; of the world, Isa.40:22."
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h8398
Chuwg: circle, circuit, compass, sphere.
Hebrew Lexicons for H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl,
The New Strong's Exhaustive Expanded Concordance of the Bible. H8398
"8398. têbêl, tay-bale'; from H2986; the earth (as moist and therefore inhabited); by extension, the globe; by implication, its inhabitants; specifically, a particular land, as Babylonia, Palestine:—world [35x] habitable part, [1x].
The word signified, first, the solid material on which man dwells, and that was formed, founded, established, and disposed by God; and secondly, the inhabitants thereof. See TWOT 835h; BDB--385c, 1061d."
Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lan...fcM85dCdhh1c6-dT2sRCJx9ue60DzzMrmiZF438y9NLRo
Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament.
TWOT 835h תֵּבֵל têbêl, tay-bale'; world.
"This noun is used in three basic situations. First, the noun is employed to represent the global mass called earth, including the atmosphere or heavens (cf. Ps.89:12; II Sam 22:16; et al.). têbêl is often in parallelism or apposition with 'eres (I Sam 2:8; Isa.26:9; 34:1; et al.) when 'eres is used in its broadest sense of "the world." The "world" was created by God, not false gods (Jer.10:12; Ps.93:1) and it belongs solely to him (Ps.24:1). God's eternality is illustrated by his existence before the creation of "world" (Ps.90:2) and his wisdom (perhaps a personification of Christ) was present prior to the world's creation (Prov. 8:26, 31). Creation itself gives a "worldwide" witness to God's glory (Ps.19:4 [H 5]) which should result in Yahweh's praise (Ps.98:2). Yahweh will judge this "world," making it empty (Isa.24:4), though in the millennium God will cause Israel to blossom and fill the whole world with her fruit (Isa.27:6).
Second, têbêl is sometime limited to "countries" or "the inhabitable world." This meaning is more closely related to the root meaning. It refers to the world where crops are raised. This is observed in the judgment message against the king of Babylon (not Satan) for violently shaking the "world" or "inhabitable world" (Isa.13:11; 14:17). Lightning is said to enlighten the "world"---undoubtedly referring to a limited land area (Ps.77:18 [H 19]; 97:4).
Third, têbêl may also refer to the inhabitants living upon the whole earth. This is demonstrated by the parallelism of têbêl with I' umim (Ps.9:8 [H 9]) and 'ammim (Ps.96:13; 98:9). The context of these references is Yahweh's judgment upon the world's inhabitants---a judgment both executed in righteousness and instructive of Yahweh's righteousness (Isa.26:9; 34:1).
In several passages the sense of têbêl as the globular earth in combination with its inhabitants is clearly observed. Everything belongs to Yahweh as his creation (Ps.50:12). Yahweh alone controls this world (Job 34:13; Nah 1:5) and his power is over all the earth which always responds to his presence (Job 37:12; Ps.97:4)".
New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology & Exegesis, Volume 4:
"9315. têbêl תֵּבֵל Nom. fem., world (#9315).
OT Found 36x exclusively in poetic texts, the word conveys the cosmic or global sense in which 'eres is also sometimes used; i.e., the whole earth or world considered as a single entity. It sometimes occurs in parallelism with 'eres (Jer.10:12; Lam.4:12). Twice it is used together with 'eres, either to express "the whole earth" (Job 37:12), or perhaps in the sense of the inhabited earth (Prov.8:31). It is used frequently in contexts that associate it with Yahweh's creative act and that, as a result, express the stability or durability of the earth (1 Sam.2:8; Ps.89:11 [12]; 93:1; 96:10). It is used when the whole population of the world is referred to (Ps.24:1; 33:8; 98:7; Isa. 18:3; 26:9; Nah.1:5). Isaiah uses têbêl more than any other prophet, mostly in the context of universal judgment (Isaiah 13:11; 24:4; 34:1; cf. Ps.96:13; 98:9).
Land, earth: --> damd (ground, piece of land, soil, realm of the earth, #141); --> 'eres (earth, land, #824); --> têbêl (world, #9315)."
Contents
Introduction
Globe Earth Verses, Latin & English
Hebrew Lexicons for H2328 & H2329, חוּג Chuwg
Hebrew Lexicons for H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl
Introduction
The Latin Vulgate was translated from the original languages of the Bible (Hebrew & Greek) in the late 4th century by St.Jerome. I have written much on this subject from the perspective of English translations. But this work will contain each verse in English & the Latin Vulgate, along with Strong's numbers. I will also provide Hebrew and Latin definitions for each word that means globe in our common English language. English translations will be selected from the most accurate translation for each verse.
Jerome's Latin Vulgate has been the most widely used Bible in all Christian history.
Globe Earth Verses, Latin & English
This section provides a list of 16 globe earth verses from the Latin Vulgate and the best English translation in each verse.
1. 1 Samuel 2:8,
Latin Vulgate: "suscitat de pulvere egenum et de stercore elevat pauperem ut sedeat cum principibus et solium gloriae teneat Domini enim sunt cardines terrae et posuit super eos orbem"
Word: Orbem (aka, Orbis), from H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêlEnglish Definition of Orb
Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "He reyseth vp the poore out of the duste, and lyfteth vp the begger from the dong hill: to set them among princes, and to enheret them with the seate of glory. For the pyllers of the earth are the Lordes, and he hath set the rounde worlde vpon them" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew-Tyndale Bible).
2, Job 26:10,
Latin Vulgate: "terminum circumdedit aquis usque dum finiantur lux et tenebrae."
Word: circumdedit, from H2328 חוּג chûwgLatin Definition
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...4c2a62687719ea1a76371742677fba68aa357db0.html
Compass/Encompass Defined
https://wikidiff.com/compass/encompass
English: "He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end" (Strong's H2328: חוּג chûwg; -- KJV).
3. Job 37:12,
Latin Vulgate: "quae lustrant per circuitum quocumque eas voluntas gubernantis duxerit ad omne quod praeceperit illis super faciem orbis terrarum"
Word: Orbis terrarum, from H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl & H776 אֶרֶץ ʼeretsEnglish Definition of Orb
Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Latin Definition of Orbis terrarum
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0
English "Being turned by his guidance to their doing all that he commanded them upon the face of the habitable globe of the earth" (Strong's H2015 הָפַךְ hâphak, H4524 מֵסַב mêçab, H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl, H776 אֶרֶץ ʼerets -- 1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).
4. Psalm 18:15,
Latin Vulgate, is Psalm 17:16: "et apparuerunt fontes aquarum et revelata sunt fundamenta orbis terrarum ab increpatione tua Domine ab inspiratione spiritus irae tuae"
Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêlOrb, English Definition
Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English "The sprynges of waters were sene, and the foundacyons of the rounde worlde were discouered at thy chidynge (O Lorde) at the blastynge and breth of thy displeasures" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
5. Psalm 19:4,
Latin Vulgate: "in omnem terram exivit sonus eorum et in fines orbis terrae verba eorum."
Word: Orbis terrarum, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl & H776 אֶרֶץ ʼeretsEnglish Definition
Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Latin Definition of Orbis terrarum
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0
English: "Their line went forth into all the earth, and their words into the ends of the habitable globe. In them he set a tent for the sun" (H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl - 1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).
6. Psalm 24:1,
Latin Vulgate: "psalmus David prima sabbati Domini est terra et plenitudo eius orbis terrarum et universi; qui habitant in eo"
Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêlEnglish Definition
Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English "A Psalme of Dauid. The earth is the Lordes, & all that therin is: the compase of the world, & al that dwell therein" (H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
7. Psalm 89:11,
Latin Vulgate: "tui sunt caeli et tua est terra orbem terrae et plenitudinem eius tu fundasti"
Word: Orbem, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêlOrb, English Definition
Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English "The heauens are thine, the earth is thine: thou hast layed the foundation of the rounde world, and al that therin is" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
8. Psalm 93:1,
Latin Vulgate: "laus cantici David in die ante sabbatum quando inhabitata est terra Dominus regnavit decore indutus est indutus est Dominus fortitudine et praecinxit se etenim firmavit orbem terrae qui non commovebitur"
Word: Orbem, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêlOrb, English Definition
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...26_wUdTbowh9nB7Dgw9j0jL_WybqAL_V4u_B5jD1cY7nA
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "The Lorde is kyng, and hath put on glorious apparell, the Lorde hath put on his apparell, & gyrded him selfe with strengthe: he hath made the rounde world so sure, that it can not be moued" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
9. Psalm 96:10,
ELatin Vulgate: "dicite in gentibus quia Dominus regnavit etenim correxit orbem qui non movebitur iudicabit populos in aequitate."
Word: Orbem (aka, Orbis), from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêlLatin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "Tell it out amonge the Heathen, that the Lorde is kynge: and that it is he, which hath made the rounde worlde so faste, that it can not be moued, and howe that he shall iudge the people righteously" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
10. Proverbs 8:27,
Latin Vulgate: "quando praeparabat caelos aderam quando certa lege et gyro vallabat abyssos."
Word: Gyro, from H2329 חוּג chûwgLatin Definition of Gyro
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...2832ea3f707b19f38694737b9f1e4ee9a2ad7acc.html
English: “When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth” ((Strong's H2329: חוּג chûwg -- KJV).
11. Proverbs 8:31,
Latin Vulgate: "ludens in orbe terrarum et deliciae meae esse cum filiis hominum"
Word: Orbe terrarum, from H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl & H776 אֶרֶץ ʼerets English Definition of Orb
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...byT3iEYN9yZtkVZHQzQ6bXb2vWz7OfIkIBxWzxE2mNdF0
Latin Definition of Orbe terrarum
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...TfVc6P3TWfpYKZkRKQan5Q-h4h1CRu06dNzISfm3fFy0o
Best English Translation: "As for the rounde compase of his worlde, I make it ioyfull: for my delyte is to be among the chyldren of men" (Strong's H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
12. Isaiah 18:3,
Latin Vulgate: "omnes habitatores orbis qui moramini in terra cum elevatum fuerit signum in montibus videbitis et clangorem tubae audietis"
Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêlOrb, English Definition
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...26_wUdTbowh9nB7Dgw9j0jL_WybqAL_V4u_B5jD1cY7nA
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "Yea, al ye that syt in the compasse of the worlde, and dwell vpon the earthe, when the token shalbe geuen vpon the mountaynes, then loke vp: & when the horne bloweth, then herken to" (1537 Matthew's Bible).
13. Isaiah 34:1,
Latin Vulgate: "accedite gentes et audite et populi adtendite audiat terra et plenitudo eius orbis et omne germen eius"
Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêlOrb, English Definition
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...26_wUdTbowh9nB7Dgw9j0jL_WybqAL_V4u_B5jD1cY7nA
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "Come ye Heithen & heare, take hede ye people. Herken thou earth & all that is therin: thou rounde compasse & all that groweth there vpon" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
14. Isaiah 40:22,
Latin Vulgate: "qui sedet super gyrum terrae et habitatores eius sunt quasi lucustae qui extendit velut nihilum caelos et expandit eos sicut tabernaculum ad inhabitandum"
Word: Gyrum (aka, Gyrus), from H2329: חוּג chûwgLatin Definition of Gyrus
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...6xZdr1VYJgTQ4bTP6IrXghta4HftCpq2RT4krKufvdjLY
English: "It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in" (Strong's H2329: חוּג chûwg, -- Douay Rheims Bible).
15. Jeremiah 10:12,
Latin Vulgate: "qui facit terram in fortitudine sua praeparat orbem in sapientia sua et prudentia sua extendit caelos"
Word: Orbem, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêlOrb, English Definition
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...26_wUdTbowh9nB7Dgw9j0jL_WybqAL_V4u_B5jD1cY7nA
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "But (as for oure God) he made the earth with his power, and with hys wysdom hath he fynished the whole compasse of the worlde, wyth hys discrecion hath he spred oute the heauens" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
16. Jeremiah 51:15,
Latin Vulgate: "qui fecit terram in fortitudine sua praeparavit orbem in sapientia sua et prudentia sua extendit caelos"
Word: Orbem, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêlOrb, English Definition
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/u...26_wUdTbowh9nB7Dgw9j0jL_WybqAL_V4u_B5jD1cY7nA
Latin Definition of Orbis
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html
English: "Yea euen the Lorde of hostes, that wyth his power made the earthe, with hys wysedome prepared the rounde worlde, and with his discrecyon spred oute the heauens" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
Hebrew Lexicons for H2328 & H2329, חוּג Chuwg
The New Strong’s Expanded Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible,H2328. חוּג Chuwg, kloog; a prim. root [comp.2287]; to describe a circle:--compass [1x]."
H2329. חוּג Chuwg, khoog; from 2328; a circle:--circle [1x], circuit [1x], compass [1x]."
Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon, H2329: "חוּג m. a circle, sphere, used of the arch or vault of the sky, Pro.8:27; Job 22:14; of the world, Isa.40:22."https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h8398
Chuwg: circle, circuit, compass, sphere.
Hebrew Lexicons for H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl,
The New Strong's Exhaustive Expanded Concordance of the Bible. H8398"8398. têbêl, tay-bale'; from H2986; the earth (as moist and therefore inhabited); by extension, the globe; by implication, its inhabitants; specifically, a particular land, as Babylonia, Palestine:—world [35x] habitable part, [1x].
The word signified, first, the solid material on which man dwells, and that was formed, founded, established, and disposed by God; and secondly, the inhabitants thereof. See TWOT 835h; BDB--385c, 1061d."
Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexiconhttps://www.blueletterbible.org/lan...fcM85dCdhh1c6-dT2sRCJx9ue60DzzMrmiZF438y9NLRo
Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament.TWOT 835h תֵּבֵל têbêl, tay-bale'; world.
"This noun is used in three basic situations. First, the noun is employed to represent the global mass called earth, including the atmosphere or heavens (cf. Ps.89:12; II Sam 22:16; et al.). têbêl is often in parallelism or apposition with 'eres (I Sam 2:8; Isa.26:9; 34:1; et al.) when 'eres is used in its broadest sense of "the world." The "world" was created by God, not false gods (Jer.10:12; Ps.93:1) and it belongs solely to him (Ps.24:1). God's eternality is illustrated by his existence before the creation of "world" (Ps.90:2) and his wisdom (perhaps a personification of Christ) was present prior to the world's creation (Prov. 8:26, 31). Creation itself gives a "worldwide" witness to God's glory (Ps.19:4 [H 5]) which should result in Yahweh's praise (Ps.98:2). Yahweh will judge this "world," making it empty (Isa.24:4), though in the millennium God will cause Israel to blossom and fill the whole world with her fruit (Isa.27:6).
Second, têbêl is sometime limited to "countries" or "the inhabitable world." This meaning is more closely related to the root meaning. It refers to the world where crops are raised. This is observed in the judgment message against the king of Babylon (not Satan) for violently shaking the "world" or "inhabitable world" (Isa.13:11; 14:17). Lightning is said to enlighten the "world"---undoubtedly referring to a limited land area (Ps.77:18 [H 19]; 97:4).
Third, têbêl may also refer to the inhabitants living upon the whole earth. This is demonstrated by the parallelism of têbêl with I' umim (Ps.9:8 [H 9]) and 'ammim (Ps.96:13; 98:9). The context of these references is Yahweh's judgment upon the world's inhabitants---a judgment both executed in righteousness and instructive of Yahweh's righteousness (Isa.26:9; 34:1).
In several passages the sense of têbêl as the globular earth in combination with its inhabitants is clearly observed. Everything belongs to Yahweh as his creation (Ps.50:12). Yahweh alone controls this world (Job 34:13; Nah 1:5) and his power is over all the earth which always responds to his presence (Job 37:12; Ps.97:4)".
New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology & Exegesis, Volume 4:"9315. têbêl תֵּבֵל Nom. fem., world (#9315).
OT Found 36x exclusively in poetic texts, the word conveys the cosmic or global sense in which 'eres is also sometimes used; i.e., the whole earth or world considered as a single entity. It sometimes occurs in parallelism with 'eres (Jer.10:12; Lam.4:12). Twice it is used together with 'eres, either to express "the whole earth" (Job 37:12), or perhaps in the sense of the inhabited earth (Prov.8:31). It is used frequently in contexts that associate it with Yahweh's creative act and that, as a result, express the stability or durability of the earth (1 Sam.2:8; Ps.89:11 [12]; 93:1; 96:10). It is used when the whole population of the world is referred to (Ps.24:1; 33:8; 98:7; Isa. 18:3; 26:9; Nah.1:5). Isaiah uses têbêl more than any other prophet, mostly in the context of universal judgment (Isaiah 13:11; 24:4; 34:1; cf. Ps.96:13; 98:9).
Land, earth: --> damd (ground, piece of land, soil, realm of the earth, #141); --> 'eres (earth, land, #824); --> têbêl (world, #9315)."
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Nice try. But that is not, in any way talking about a spinning globe...
Here, I can find a comentar too... Shall we both search until we find some scripture.. then search for a translation that suits our agenda?
There is no mention of a globe or any sphere.
From:Job 38:14 -
It is turned as clay to the seal - The earth, like soft clay, is capable of modifying itself in endless ways, and assuming infinite forms. As a proof of this, see the astonishing variety of plants, flowers, and fruits, and the infinitely diversified hues, odours, tastes, consistency, and properties, of its vegetable productions. There seems to be an allusion here to the sealing of clay, which I believe has been, and is now, frequent in the East. Six of those Eastern seals for sealing clay, made of brass, the figures and characters all in relief, the interstices being entirely perforated and cut out, so that the upper side of the seal is the same as the lower, now lie before me. They seem to have been used for stamping pottery, as some of the fine clay still appears in the interstices.
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Wait.... what?
Is this the same Lost4Words that accused me of always disagreeing with facts that were presented?
Yep:
Well, Lost... I disagree with all the facts that you presented in this post.....
Oh... ya... there are none.
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1 Samuel 2:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them.
More of a FE verse.. with Pillars.
Job 26:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
I don't see any globe reference here... However, the waters have "bounds" kinda like the FE model. Just say'n.
Context is always very important. We should post the scripture that sets up the subject matter...
It is not the earth that is spun here... it is the cloud.. over the face of the earth..
Job 37:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.
11 Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud:
12 And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth.
I do like the word "face" as a support for a FE, however.
Psalm 18:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.
Hmmm. foundations... Yet, no sphere. No spin. No moving through space.
No sphere, no globe, no spin, no movement.. Just a world that has ends... Where is the ends... on your globe model.?
Psalm 19:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
OK, I;m going to stop here... no sense continuing with this nonsense.
Psalm 24:1 King James Version (KJV)
24 The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
Again, and not surprising... no globe, no sphere, no spin, no orbit no movement...
I got a hockey game to watch.
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You know the facts. You know the scientific evidence. Its been posted again and again.
You continuously refute it.
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