God Really Made the Universe In Six Days

DamianWarS said:

eastern philosophy is different than western. in the west we put high emphasis on the facts and the information to find the truth. if there are no facts then there is no truth. in the east they put high emphasis on the truth and then fill the information that fits the truth best so it is fluid. What's more important in the creation account is the truth it points to over the details that bring it there and the details should be looked that which agrees with the truth but not necessarily facts themselves.

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Exactly! My Hebrew professor talked about this sort of thing from time to time during class. I had trouble with that language, but greatly benefited from those kinds of talks that happened near the end of class.

If you read any serious Genesis study the role of literary genre is very important. The book of Genesis fits many tropes etc. of near east literature, while it is divinely inspired etc. that doesn't mean that it beyond the sort of conventions of similar "Creation myths", my Jewish Study Bible was has a lot to say on that, as does a great scholar I'm watching a lot of on You-tube Dr. Michael Heiser.

BobRyan said:

Indeed it is a continuation. One story that takes two chapters to tell. But the first part is a time-boxed chronological sequence... the second part is not.

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That is your opinion which I shared for many years.

Pavel Mosko said:

Exactly! My Hebrew professor talked about this sort of thing from time to time during class. I had trouble with that language, but greatly benefited from those kinds of talks that happened near the end of class.

If you read any serious Genesis study the role of literary genre is very important. The book of Genesis fits many tropes etc. of near east literature, while it is divinely inspired etc. that doesn't mean that it beyond the sort of conventions of similar "Creation myths", my Jewish Study Bible was has a lot to say on that, as does a great scholar I'm watching a lot of on You-tube Dr. Michael Heiser.

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"Bible is myth" teaching can be found among many agnostics and atheists even in world class universities. Nothing new there.

Atheists often don't mind "admitting" to what the Bible says - they simply reject what it says. As in rejecting the virgin birth, the bodily ascension of Christ, the miracles of the bible and in this example they freely admit to what the Bible says - while rejecting it as 'truth'.

Professor James Barr, Regius Professor of Hebrew at the University of Oxford, has written:

‘Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1–11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that: (a) creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience (b) the figures contained in the Genesis genealogies provided by simple addition a chronology from the beginning of the world up to later stages in the biblical story (c) Noah’s flood was understood to be world-wide and extinguish all human and animal life except for those in the ark. Or, to put it negatively, the apologetic arguments which suppose the "days" of creation to be long eras of time, the figures of years not to be chronological, and the flood to be a merely local Mesopotamian flood, are not taken seriously by any such professors, as far as I know.’

d taylor said:

That is simply not true the Bible does not separate where the sun, moon and stars are from where the birds fly. The Bible clearly states they are the same location.

If the Bible does separate the two show me the verses

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on the contrary "3rd heaven" not "just one"

2 Cor 12 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.

I accept that it says all life on Earth, and the Sun and the Moon were made in 7 days and Exodus 20:11 says "at least" that much in legal code about Genesis 1-2

Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

That's "legal code" -- hard to bend it.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Nothing in Geneis 2:1-3 argues against the time frame God gives it in Ex 20:11

Pavel Mosko said:

I'm one of the minority of Christians who believe that Earth is old. Not believing in Evolution per see but see but that the days of Genesis can be interpreted in other ways, namely as ages etc.

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Old Earth - possibly - but young life on Earth and young Sun, young moon... most certainly.

If you have plants on day 3 then no sun until a million years later on your day 4... you have no plants.

BobRyan said:

on the contrary "3rd heaven" not "just one"

2 Cor 12 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.

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I never said there was no third heaven.
Actually i believe
1st heaven (raqia,sky) location of sun, moon and stars
2nd heaven above (the raqia and waters above) location of believers.
3rd heaven Location of God.

The beginning in Genesis the earth was just water. God separated the water into two parts with the creation of the raqia. So there was a large body of water below the raqia and another large body of water above the raqia. Then came light and not until verse 9 did God create the physical land 3rd day.

d taylor said:

Where do you see God creating a universe in the Bible.

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Genesis 1 and John 1.

d taylor said:

I never said there was no third heaven.
Actually i believe
1st heaven (raqia,sky) location of sun, moon and stars
2nd heaven above (the raqia and waters above) location of believers.
3rd heaven Location of God.

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You have believers in heaven not with God, separated from God??

when looking up - is it not more consistent to have one physical area of atmosphere, one of outer space with planets and galaxies - and one of heaven where God, Angels, saints are all in fellowship?

d taylor said:

The beginning in Genesis the earth was just water.

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Water covering the surface of the deep.

God calls for "dry land" but not "land under water" because "the surface of the deep" was already "covered by water".

The problem with a young but very large universe is "light". And the first thing God does on day 1 is solve that problem for Earth. Not only that but he has Earth with a light source on 1 side so that as the planet rotates there is "evening and morning"

EVERY created creature ever made was made by God's Word. Nothing created was ever created any other way. That would include dinosaurs.

No fallen Angels could have created the dinosaurs without violating scripture. That all created. Creatures were made by the word. Of God.

d taylor said:

The beginning in Genesis the earth was just water. God separated the water into two parts with the creation of the raqia. So there was a large body of water below the raqia and another large body of water above the raqia. Then came light and not until verse 9 did God create the physical land 3rd day.

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BobRyan said:

You have believers in heaven not with God, separated from God??

when looking up - is it not more consistent to have one physical area of atmosphere, one of outer space with planets and galaxies - and one of heaven where God, Angels, saints are all in fellowship?

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So are you saying that you deserve the same living place that the Most High God occupies.

The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.

For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not give their light;
The sun will be darkened in its going forth,
And the moon will not cause its light to shine.


shamayim: heaven, sky
This word is used to show where the birds fly Genesis 1:20 and in Isaiah 13:10 where the stars are located and they are the same location the 1st heaven, sky, raqia.
Genesis 1:8 states that God named the raqia heaven (shamayim: heaven, sky)

In Psalms 19:1 states that the heavens (all three) declare the glory of God and then Psalms 19:1 states that the raqia (1st heaven) between the two bodies of water shows God handiwork and that handiwork is the sun, moon and stars host of heaven.

There is not even a hint that an outer space/universe declares the glory of God or show God's handiwork

No where does shamayim ever mean outer space/universe in the Bible.

Erik Nelson said:

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I will say i do not know the shape of God's creation, But i believe because of the Bible's description, that God's creation is not a spinning sphere moving in an outer space. That it is a flat, stationary creation either circular in shape, square or rectangular
What God created may look like the illustration but the Bible just does not give a complete description. Where people like Moses may have known, that has been lost over time and science has implanted their ideas into humankind.
Well enough that a large majority (of people who identify as christian) 99% believe science's earth and creation description over God's creation and full literal description given in the Bible

d taylor said:

But i believe because of the Bible's description, that God's creation is not a spinning sphere moving in an outer space. That it is a flat, stationary creation either circular in shape, square or rectangular

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As it turns out, however, the earth is a globe. It is not flat.

So you must be misinterpreting the Bible.

Read the book of the Jubilees. Also written by Moses via an Angel Uriel(I believe). But whether it was 6 days or 6000 days is still awesome, since we couldnt acheive 0.01% of it in 1000x the maximum time. Lol.

Radagast said:

As it turns out, however, the earth is a globe. It is not flat.

So you must be misinterpreting the Bible.

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Lets see, i let the Bible interpret itself

You let science interpret parts of the Bible for you.

d taylor said:

Lets see, i let the Bible interpret itself

You let science interpret parts of the Bible for you.

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I let the evidence, or evidence itself, or what is clearly evident, do that...

For example the Earth is clearly much older than six thousand years, unless it was created with the deception of the evidence, (but why would God do that?) or what is clearly evident (for example the earth being much older than six thousand years old), and /but/also, I always work under the premise that the Bible not only is not, but cannot ever be false or untrue, in my view, also...

My conclusion is that ultimately, it must be "our perceptions/conclusions/assumptions/interpretations/ect" that must be wrong, or in error... cause little to nothing else is, really... (I mean what is evident and God's Word)...

God Bless!

2 Peter 3:8 tells us "that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day". The Word of God lets us know that time how we see it as man is not the same as Gods time.

Satan cannot create. He can only pervert what has already been created by God. The word "dinosaur" itself is a madeup word created by Sir Richard Owen in the 1800s. It just means terrible lizard. Ancient Chinese texts confirm sightings of terrible lizards. And crocodiles have been scientifically shown to be closely related (archosaurs).

Anyway, most of the dinosaurs got taken out in the flood.

Satan used a snake to deceive Eve. And with deception comes the spirit of fear, which is why babies are innately afraid of snakes without being taught.

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Neogaia777 said:

I let the evidence, or evidence itself, or what is clearly evident, do that...

For example the Earth is clearly much older than six thousand years, unless it was created with the deception of the evidence, (but why would God do that?) or what is clearly evident (for example the earth being much older than six thousand years old), and /but/also, I always work under the premise that the Bible not only is not, but cannot ever be false or untrue, in my view, also...

My conclusion is that ultimately, it must be "our perceptions/conclusions/assumptions/interpretations/ect" that must be wrong, or in error... cause little to nothing else is, really... (I mean what is evident and God's Word)...

God Bless!

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Well in Genesis 1:1 the heaven and earth were created and i believe that could have been the home of the angelic host up and until satan's sin. In Genesis 1:2 is seen the reestablishing the earth for now human's
Notice there is only water no land not up until verse 9

So is the land created with age or is the land ageless. Can water be dated and really can land be dated and determined the age. Because water came before land.