Is Origin of Language proof for a Creator/God?

Tinker Grey · Feb 16, 2019

Aman777 said:
We will all find out before the present 6th Day ends.

No we won't.

Are you ready?

Don't need to be.

You keep posting "Ramen"? Noodles?

It's a FSM joke.

Radagast · Feb 16, 2019

Aman777 said:
Not so since God (Elohim-the Judges) or THEIR kind, is the plural name of the Godhead.
Lord God (YHWH) is the name of Jesus (God the Son) or HIS kind is the singular name of the individual (God the Son) within the Godhead.

Incorrect. YHWH refers to the whole Trinity.

Bungle_Bear · Feb 17, 2019

juvenissun said:
I don't see such answers are given by a linguist. I can do that too.

You asked a nonsensical question, then complain when you get called on it? Perhaps, instead of complaining, you should clarify your question. Radagast took a guess at the meaning and seems to given an answer you find acceptable, but it still doesn't explain "where latin came from".

If you pick up a rock and ask "where did this rock come from" would you consider "it fell off that cliff" to be an adequate answer? If I'd known your inquiry was only that shallow I could have given the same answer as Radagast - it came from the language spoken before it. And you couldn't work that out for yourself?

juvenissun · Feb 17, 2019

Bungle_Bear said:
You asked a nonsensical question, then complain when you get called on it? Perhaps, instead of complaining, you should clarify your question. Radagast took a guess at the meaning and seems to given an answer you find acceptable, but it still doesn't explain "where latin came from".

If you pick up a rock and ask "where did this rock come from" would you consider "it fell off that cliff" to be an adequate answer? If I'd known your inquiry was only that shallow I could have given the same answer as Radagast - it came from the language spoken before it. And you couldn't work that out for yourself?

If you are a good linguist, then you can give good answer to any layman's question, include mine.
If you ask me: "where did this rock come from?", I can give you a professional essay as an answer, instead of saying it is meaningless.

Now, here is a more general one: We know geographic barriers create dialects. However, people live in a wide plain region still have dialects. Why is that?

Speedwell · Feb 17, 2019

juvenissun said:
If you are a good linguist, then you can give good answer to any layman's question, include mine.
If you ask me: "where did this rock come from?", I can give you a professional essay as an answer, instead of saying it is meaningless.

Now, here is a more general one: We know geographic barriers create dialects. However, people live in a wide plain region still have dialects. Why is that?

Because most people, most of the time, have stayed pretty close to home and mostly only talked to people they knew already.

juvenissun · Feb 17, 2019

Speedwell said:
Because most people, most of the time, have stayed pretty close to home and mostly only talked to people they knew already.

Then why would two tribes separated by a river or a mountain could have the same language?

Aman777 · Feb 17, 2019

Radagast said:
Incorrect. YHWH refers to the whole Trinity.

Doesn't compute as in the following:

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after His kind, and cattle after Their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

Explain the difference between His and Their kinds.

Bungle_Bear · Feb 17, 2019

juvenissun said:
Then why would two tribes separated by a river or a mountain could have the same language?

Because SOME people travel. People from one tribe traveled over the river/mountain and stayed, so now there are two tribes. But guess what? If those tribes stop interacting regularly with each other their languages will change until they become quite different.

Bungle_Bear · Feb 17, 2019

juvenissun said:
If you are a good linguist, then you can give good answer to any layman's question, include mine.
If you ask me: "where did this rock come from?", I can give you a professional essay as an answer, instead of saying it is meaningless.

I didn't say your question was meaningless. I asked you to clarify what you were actually asking. And you got in a huff about that.

juvenissun · Feb 18, 2019

Bungle_Bear said:
Because SOME people travel. People from one tribe traveled over the river/mountain and stayed, so now there are two tribes. But guess what? If those tribes stop interacting regularly with each other their languages will change until they become quite different.

I can see that too. You really did not answer the question. What you said is a common sense speculation.
I expect you would use some professional term in linguistics, or some models used in linguistics for the explanation.

Speedwell · Feb 18, 2019

Aman777 said:
Doesn't compute as in the following:

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after His kind, and cattle after Their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

Explain the difference between His and Their kinds.

Grammar. Agreement of number in particular.

"...the beast of the Earth after his kind..." Singular noun, singular possessive pronoun.

"...and cattle after their kind..." Plural noun, plural possessive pronoun.

Aman777 · Feb 18, 2019

Speedwell said:
Grammar. Agreement of number in particular.

"...the beast of the Earth after his kind..." Singular noun, singular possessive pronoun.

"...and cattle after their kind..." Plural noun, plural possessive pronoun.

Doesn't compute with this verse:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

God the Trinity created and brought forth from water all living creatures. They are Their kind....Genesis 1:21 but winged fowl were made by Jesus or His kind. Genesis 2:19 However, your's is the best argument I've seen in decades. Thanks.

46AND2 · Feb 18, 2019

Aman777 said:
Doesn't compute with this verse:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

God the Trinity created and brought forth from water all living creatures. They are Their kind....Genesis 1:21 but winged fowl were made by Jesus or His kind. Genesis 2:19 However, your's is the best argument I've seen in decades. Thanks.

Of course it computes.

Every living creature (multiple kinds), "their" is plural possessive.
Every winged fowl (one kind), "his" is singular possessive.

Aman777 · Feb 18, 2019

Aman777 said: ↑
Doesn't compute with this verse:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

46AND2 said:
Of course it computes.

1. Every living creature (multiple kinds), "their" is plural possessive.
2. Every winged fowl (one kind), "his" is singular possessive.

1. creature is singular. (one kind)
2. IF fowl is singular. (one kind)

Especially since both are in the same sentence. Amen?

46AND2 · Feb 18, 2019

Aman777 said:
Aman777 said: ↑
Doesn't compute with this verse:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

1. creature is singular. (one kind)
2. IF fowl is singular. (one kind)

Especially since both are in the same sentence. Amen?

Every creature indicates multiple kinds. Like all kinds of creatures.
Every fowl means all the fowl, and they are all the same kind. Singular kind.

You don't have to take my word for it, though. Virtually every other version of the Bible than the KJV is consistent with what I said--even saying with the fowl, ITS kind, rather than his kind.

To submit that the "his" refers to Jesus when he is never first mentioned as the subject anywhere in the passage is not only poor grammar, it's patently silly.

Aman777 · Feb 18, 2019

46AND2 said:
To submit that the "his" refers to Jesus when he is never first mentioned as the subject anywhere in the verse is not only poor grammar, it's patently silly.

Haven't your heard of pluralism? Who made the temporary creatures from the dust of the ground? It was Lord God Genesis 2:7 Genesis 2:19. Can you tell us the difference between God and Lord God?

46AND2 · Feb 18, 2019

Aman777 said:
Haven't your heard of pluralism? Who made the temporary creatures from the dust of the ground? It was Lord God Genesis 2:7 Genesis 2:19. Can you tell us the difference between God and Lord God?

Sure. Of course, the way you are using the term, I think a better explanation is that the pluralism is left over from the polytheistic roots of Judaism, coming from an older Canaanite religion.

Regardless, it is extremely obvious that "his" and "their" are possessive pronouns referring back to the animals. So obvious that virtually every version of the Bible other than the KJV replaces "his" with "its."

Speedwell · Feb 18, 2019

Aman777 said:
Doesn't compute with this verse:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

God the Trinity created and brought forth from water all living creatures. They are Their kind....Genesis 1:21 but winged fowl were made by Jesus or His kind. Genesis 2:19 However, your's is the best argument I've seen in decades. Thanks.

It doesn't matter whether you think it computes. Cattle is a plural noun. Their is the grammatically correct plural possessive pronoun. As in,

"Our cattle have lost their winter coats."

Bungle_Bear · Feb 18, 2019

Aman777 said:
Aman777 said: ↑
Doesn't compute with this verse:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

1. creature is singular. (one kind)
2. IF fowl is singular. (one kind)

Especially since both are in the same sentence. Amen?

Remind us all who made Her kinds. And what language was Genesis written in.

Bungle_Bear · Feb 18, 2019

juvenissun said:
I can see that too. You really did not answer the question. What you said is a common sense speculation.

How is evidenced reality "speculation"?

I expect you would use some professional term in linguistics, or some models used in linguistics for the explanation.

Do you think an explanation is only valid if it's full of jargon? Why do you want things to be more complicated than they need to be?

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