Trump Admin: publicly funded group can discriminate against Jews & gays

YeshuaFan said:

God calls it a baby, so why don't we?

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Checking the King James Version for the word “baby” yields no results.

And besides, you’d have to show me there’s a existent god before it would make any difference to me...

Speedwell said:

Go right ahead; nobody's stopping you. Those of your fellow citizen who don't believe that "God calls it baby" will call it something else. Why should they not?

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I want to be with God, and not against Him, don't you?

YeshuaFan said:

I want to be with God, and not against Him, don't you?

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We're not talking about me. We're talking about people who want to be with some other God, or none, which in this country they are free to do.

Speedwell said:

We're not talking about me. We're talking about people who want to be with some other God, or none, which in this country they are free to do.

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Yes, but please remember that its also true that blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord....

The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion

YeshuaFan said:

Yes, but please remember that its also true that blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord....

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YeshuaFan said:

I want to be with God, and not against Him, don't you?

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Pommer said:

The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion

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The Founders based it upon Judeo Christian reasoning, especially as in regards to the scriptures, as they held to Christian principles and many saw either God as creator, or Jesus as the Lord!

YeshuaFan said:

The Founders based it upon Judeo Christian reasoning, especially as in regards to the scriptures, as they held to Christian principles and many saw either God as creator, or Jesus as the Lord!

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And they went on to create a secular republic, rather than a Christian nation.

YeshuaFan said:

The Founders based it upon Judeo Christian reasoning, especially as in regards to the scriptures, as they held to Christian principles and many saw either God as creator, or Jesus as the Lord!

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And yet the Treaty of Tripoli, signed by John Adams, states “The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”...

Speedwell said:

And they went on to create a secular republic, rather than a Christian nation.

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Yes, but they also desired to have Christianity accepted as the "best religion" even though people were free to choose!

ToddNotTodd said:

And yet the Treaty of Tripoli, signed by John Adams, states “The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”...

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Even though they held to divine providence in the very creation of the Constitution, eh?

YeshuaFan said:

Yes, but they also desired to have Christianity accepted as the "best religion" even though people were free to choose!

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They may have desired it and were free to evangelize as individuals, but the government cannot officially recognize any one religion as the "best" religion.

YeshuaFan said:

The Founders based it upon Judeo Christian reasoning, especially as in regards to the scriptures, as they held to Christian principles and many saw either God as creator, or Jesus as the Lord!

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Show me freedom of speech in the Bible

YeshuaFan said:

Even though they held to divine providence in the very creation of the Constitution, eh?

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That didn’t address what I wrote. Do you deny that the Treaty of Tripoli exists?

ToddNotTodd said:

That didn’t address what I wrote. Do you deny that the Treaty of Tripoli exists?

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Why not? There are a lot of flat earth people here as well as some that believe the Constitution is illegal and we are still under the Articles of Confederation.

YeshuaFan said:

Since God sees all of us as being human in the womb, would that not make it objective truth?

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No, that’s just a assertion.

Pommer said:

Show me freedom of speech in the Bible

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The better question is where is support for religious liberty in the Bible?

Desk trauma said:

The better question is where is support for religious liberty in the Bible?

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Baby steps.
The usual dodge here is that the Founders meant that “the people” could hold to any Christian-religion.

YeshuaFan said:

The Founders based it upon Judeo Christian reasoning, especially as in regards to the scriptures, as they held to Christian principles and many saw either God as creator, or Jesus as the Lord!

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Pommer said:

Show me freedom of speech in the Bible

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Desk trauma said:

The better question is where is support for religious liberty in the Bible?

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What I would like to know is what Judeo Christian reasoning and Christian principles have to do with the U.S. government violating hundreds of legal treaties and forcibly removing entire tribes from their tribal land while slaughtering other tribes for their tribal land or with the Three-Fifths Clause or with the enslavement of black people that was legal in this country for 89 years or with this country spending 188 years of its 242 year history legally and systematically discriminating against minorities.

I'm curious to know how all of that supports the Declaration of "All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" or how it all supports the belief that America was founded on freedom, liberty and justice for all or that America was founded on Judeo Christian principles and reasoning.

If the founding fathers held to Christian principles and many saw either God as creator, or Jesus as the Lord, then why did some of them say the following about Native Americans?

“If it be the design of Providence to extirpate these Savages in order to make room for cultivators of the Earth, it seems not improbable that rum may be the appointed means.” - Benjamin Franklin

“This unfortunate race, whom we had been taking so much pains to save and to civilize, have by their unexpected desertion and ferocious barbarities justified extermination and now await our decision on their fate.” - Thomas Jefferson

“The immediate objectives are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements and the capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops in the ground and prevent their planting more.” - George Washington

“The hunter or savage state requires a greater extent of territory to sustain it, than is compatible with the progress and just claims of civilized life, and must yield to it. Nothing is more certain, than, if the Indian tribes do not abandon that state, and become civilized, that they will decline, and become extinct. The hunter state, tho maintain’d by warlike spirits, presents but a feeble resistance to the more dense, compact, and powerful population of civilized man.” - James Monroe

Source: Nice Day for a Genocide: Shocking Quotes on Indians By US Leaders, Pt 1

Also see: Nice Day for a Genocide: Shocking Quotes on Indians by U.S. Leaders, Pt. 2

And out of curiosity, how many of the Christian founding fathers owned slaves?

essentialsaltes said:

Same organization! New Discrimination! Catholics need not apply either.

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That is where we're all heading if we don't watch out. That's why Trump's most important mission from his fanbase is the court appointments, why they will tolerate any misbehavior from him as long as he keeps right-wing judges coming. If Ginsberg croaks before we get rid of him you can kiss the First Amendment good-bye.