Deputy seen on bodycam calling black man 'boy' and grabbing him by the throat

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Not so sure its a "police culture", as a percentage these instances are few and far between. Our law enforcement officers deserve respect and honor for their service to our communities.

Respect and honor are earned, not commanded. I don't think police officers have the right to be respected simply because they are police and wear the badge on their chest. They must earn my respect and my trust. I don't immediately trust a police officer when I see one out in public.
 
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this cop should have to go to anger management classes and should have to write lines for a week.
I will not make all police look bad because of my actions.
I will not make all police look bad because of my actions.

How about being fired from his job because he has shown their true colors and brought shame and mistrust down upon his own police department and upon the image of police officers in general?
 
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How about being fired from his job because he has shown their true colors and brought shame and mistrust down upon his own police department and upon the image of police officers in general?
yes of course. I was being a little sarcastic.
 
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Does that mean your thankful you were born a White American?

I'm of Cherokee and Choctaw descent, but I don't have a CDIB card from either tribal nation because I refuse to prove my blood quantum for tribal membership. For the record, I was referring to the higher rate of police brutality against Native Americans and the police brutality against other minorities.

Native Americans: The forgotten minority in police shootings

Native Lives Matter: The Overlooked Police Brutality Against Native Americans

Police are Killing Native Americans at Higher Rate than Any Race, and Nobody is Talking About It
 
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Considering that most police officers (84%) have witnessed colleagues use excessive force on civilians, and most admit (61%) they don't report even serious criminal violations, it would seem the notion of police brutality/misconduct being rare is incorrect. Are most police officers corrupt? No. However, there is a sizable number of officers committing these acts of violence and too many fellow officers looking the other way that it is a significant problem.

Not so sure its a "police culture", as a percentage these instances are few and far between. Our law enforcement officers deserve respect and honor for their service to our communities.
 
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How about being fired from his job because he has shown their true colors and brought shame and mistrust down upon his own police department and upon the image of police officers in general?
It's not the first time either.....

In 2011, a federal jury awarded a Weston resident $250,000 who sued Cady for a wrongful arrest. The man was arrested in December 2009 during a party in Dania Beach, but his obstruction of justice charge later was dropped.

The man said Cady had “tackled me like a football player” after he asked for his name and badge number and questioned why two friends were being arrested during the house party.

The man’s friends, a Dania Beach couple who hosted the party, settled separately with the agency for $350,000 in 2013 after saying deputies wrongfully arrested them over a noise complaint. The lawsuit said the husband was stunned several times with a Taser, tackled and beaten in front of his children and friends. Three deputies, including Cady, were named as defendants.
Deputy seen on bodycam calling black man 'boy' and grabbing him by the throat

It sounds like there may be/have been more than one officer in this department that needs/needed to be reined in.
 
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There are a significant percentage of Americans who think that it doesn't matter what a cop asks you, you are required to do whatever a cop says with a smile on your face.

Similarly, there are a significant percentage of Americans who will excuse practically any behavior from a cop and transfer the problems of the altercation onto the citizenry. That is, if the cop grabs you by the throat then that just wouldn't have happened if you listened to the cop in the first place and done as you were told, thus, it is your fault for the cops egregious behavior.

These people hold the citizenry to a "higher standard" than they do the person with the badge, gun, and power.

It is my belief that because the police have a badge and a gun and a license by the State to commit violence against the citizenry, that with this power SHOULD come responsibility and maturity. It is my belief that police should be "better" than the citizenry. It is my belief that police should be instantly fired whenever they demonstrate that they cannot handle this power and responsibility. This would lead to a police culture that simply would not tolerate this sort of behavior within the culture.

Instead, we have a police culture that views the citizenry as subjects to be ruled over and if you don't do what they say even if you believe they are wrong, then they can commit whatever acts of violence against you as they see fit on whatever whim they are on. ANd then, when caught committing unacceptable behavior the "system" will often swing into place to protect said cop. Then the argument somehow becomes a polite version of-- "Well, if cops aren't allowed to act like monsters at the slightest provocation then they can't possibly be expected to do their jobs..."

Of course, that argument is made using big fancy words and contrived examples and anecdotes, but at its core the argument is one that is riddled with logical fallacies. We accept behavior from cops that we don't accept from any other profession. Hell, even military people fighting in foreign countries have better protocols and restrictions when dealing with an enemy civilian populace than our own police have with dealing with Tax Paying Citizens of their own country.

NOTE: the above is my biased rant. I admit I did not watch the video. I'm just tired of these sorts of videos, i've seen them by the hundreds and am just not in the mood to watch now, will probably watch later.

Curious about what you think when you watch it.
 
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Respect and honor are earned, not commanded. I don't think police officers have the right to be respected simply because they are police and wear the badge on their chest. They must earn my respect and my trust. I don't immediately trust a police officer when I see one out in public.

What about the citizenry? Do they deserve to be respected regardless of how they treat a cop?
 
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Curious about what you think when you watch it.

The video was worst than I thought it would be.

From the get go, the officer was not respectful, "Hey get your ID bro..."
Why not, "Sir I need your ID.."

The black guy asked, "What do you need my ID for" as things escalated
The Cop said, "I need to know who I'm handing the child off to..."

Now, both queries and responses are reasonable, what was NOT reasonable was the officer Assaulting a citizen when there was absolutely no threat whatsoever to the Officer.

Is grabbing a citizen by the neck proper police training on obtaining a license?

What should have happened is simple. It should have went something like this:
Cop: "Sir, I need your license for my police report to confirm who you are and who I'm leaving the kid with"
Man: "Why do you need my ID?"
Cop: "I just told you, I need to know who I'm leaving the baby with."
Man: "Well, My name is Mr. XYZ"
Cop: "Look Sir, I'm not handing off a kid to someone without 100% verification that you are who you say you are"
Man: "Well, I don't know why you need my license, I don't want to get it, I told you my name is Mr. XYZ"
Cop: "Listen, either 1 of 2 things is going to happen, either you give me your ID so I can verify that I'm leaving the kid with the right person, or we are calling CPS and they will take the kid. The choice is yours."
Man: "I don't see why you need my ID"
Cop: "That's fine sir, you can explain your position to the Judge and CPS."
Man: "This is BS, I don't understand... I told you who I am"
Cop: "And just so you know, when you go to court you are still going to need your ID, so last chance. Your choice. What's it going to be? Once I call CPS that is that, if you get your ID at that point it will be too late. So will you get your ID? Yes or no, last chance..."​

It seems like some cops get so bent out of shape having to explain something to a rattled, upset, scared, and angry citizen whose emotions are making said citizen difficult to deal with.

In this case, the citizen wasn't being combative or threatening in the least.
Police should not be allowed to use violence against the citizenry when they are not in danger. Violence should ONLY be used to enforce the law as a last resort. In this case, the officer should have called CPS. When they arrived and the man "refuses" to hand the kid over THEN violence should have been used. But up until that point the officer should have been calm, cool, and collected.

There are plenty of officers who know how to handle unreasonable citizens without instantly resorting to violence, here is one example


in any event, those are my thoughts on this issue
 
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The video was worst than I thought it would be.

From the get go, the officer was not respectful, "Hey get your ID bro..."
Why not, "Sir I need your ID.."

The black guy asked, "What do you need my ID for" as things escalated
The Cop said, "I need to know who I'm handing the child off to..."

Now, both queries and responses are reasonable, what was NOT reasonable was the officer Assaulting a citizen when there was absolutely no threat whatsoever to the Officer.

Is grabbing a citizen by the neck proper police training on obtaining a license?

What should have happened is simple. It should have went something like this:
Cop: "Sir, I need your license for my police report to confirm who you are and who I'm leaving the kid with"
Man: "Why do you need my ID?"
Cop: "I just told you, I need to know who I'm leaving the baby with."
Man: "Well, My name is Mr. XYZ"
Cop: "Look Sir, I'm not handing off a kid to someone without 100% verification that you are who you say you are"
Man: "Well, I don't know why you need my license, I don't want to get it, I told you my name is Mr. XYZ"
Cop: "Listen, either 1 of 2 things is going to happen, either you give me your ID so I can verify that I'm leaving the kid with the right person, or we are calling CPS and they will take the kid. The choice is yours."
Man: "I don't see why you need my ID"
Cop: "That's fine sir, you can explain your position to the Judge and CPS."
Man: "This is BS, I don't understand... I told you who I am"
Cop: "And just so you know, when you go to court you are still going to need your ID, so last chance. Your choice. What's it going to be? Once I call CPS that is that, if you get your ID at that point it will be too late. So will you get your ID? Yes or no, last chance..."​

It seems like some cops get so bent out of shape having to explain something to a rattled, upset, scared, and angry citizen whose emotions are making said citizen difficult to deal with.

In this case, the citizen wasn't being combative or threatening in the least.
Police should not be allowed to use violence against the citizenry when they are not in danger. Violence should ONLY be used to enforce the law as a last resort. In this case, the officer should have called CPS. When they arrived and the man "refuses" to hand the kid over THEN violence should have been used. But up until that point the officer should have been calm, cool, and collected.

There are plenty of officers who know how to handle unreasonable citizens without instantly resorting to violence, here is one example


in any event, those are my thoughts on this issue

Yes this makes sense. About the video, I would like to see officers deal with a black person in the same respectful way as this gentleman was treated.
 
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Yes this makes sense. About the video, I would like to see officers deal with a black person in the same respectful way as this gentleman was treated.
My personal experiences with the police are as follows.

60% of my interactions with police are fine, one might even call them courteous. I have this ability to make people laugh and for some odd reason, I make officers laugh all the time which definitely diffuses the situation. SImilarly, I've had plenty of officers give me a break. One of my favorite instances of this was I was speeding 20mph over the limit. Officer pulls me over and I say, "Look, I know I was speeding but I have a date with one of the Bud Light Girls and I was going to be late but I'll be on time now, I promise I won't speed anymore..." and the officer was taken aback and then said, "Alright, go, just no more speeding"

25% of my interactions with police are middle of the road, not good not bad, just meh

10% of my interactions with police are what I would call "Lightning in the air" bad, you know, that sense that at any moment something bad might happen. During these interactions it takes a conscious effort and will on my part to make sure things don't go south. In these instances it feels like the officer is wound tight just waiting for "any" chance to pop off on me with violence, so I make EVERY effort to not give him the chance no matter how rude or disrespectful the officer is with all the "boy" talk (racist officers love calling black men "boy" they know we hate it).

5% of my interactions with police have been life threatening and very scary with no provocation on my part whatsoever. FWIW I've never been arrested and I've filed complaints for these incidents, nothing came of the complaints though...
 
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The main problem is how police approach African Americans, often they are more impolite and/or escalate situations unnecessarily.

Police respect whites more than blacks during traffic stops, language analysis finds
Police show more respect to whites than blacks during traffic stops, according to a computer analysis of conversations recorded by police body cameras in Oakland, California.

Videotape footage of police exchanges with people of color has quickly become a mainstay of public — and often viral — stories about law enforcement practices in the U.S. But it remains unclear if these videos represent isolated incidents or a general pattern of racial bias.

Communication is a big issue, and this is not a problem only seen with police, but also with teachers when dealing with African American students.
 
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Yes, they do. But when they do not get respect and honor they should NOT have a license to assault the citizenry or using passive aggressive tactics to "hurt" the citizenry or to disregard citizen rights.

Police need to be the bigger person when dealing with rude citizens.
Police should be professionals and they should NOT tolerate unprofessional bullies within their own ranks. And when one of these unprofessional bullies hurts a citizen then "the system" to include fellow police officers shouldn't protect that officer but instead they should kick him off the force...

If the behavior of a police officer is no different than a drunk frat boy with an ego complex and chip on his shoulder rearin to fight, then you've got to ask why that person is allowed to be a police officer.

Constitutional Rights need to apply to all citizens all the time regardless of whether that citizen is a nice person

My constitutional rights shouldn't depend on the mood of the officer, that is, if he is in a good mood than I have my rights but if he is angry then I don't.

I whole heartedly agree. The problem though is that law enforcement is made up of human beings. And any profession that deals with the stuff cops deal with on a daily basis is going to have issues from time to time from the humans in that position. And each situation needs to be dealt with on a individual basis.

Contrary to some opinions previously expressed this is NOT typical behavior of cops in this country. It does happen. When it does it should be dealt with. But it's not a rampant issue. Most cops are very good people who do their jobs well and do not treat people like this. This cop needs to face severe disciplinary action up to and including dismissal. In his state he might also be charged with assault.

But people have to STOP with the "typical behavior" stuff. And we also need to recognize this kind of stuff is inevitable for this type of profession due to humans being involved.
 
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My personal experiences with the police are as follows.

60% of my interactions with police are fine, one might even call them courteous. I have this ability to make people laugh and for some odd reason, I make officers laugh all the time which definitely diffuses the situation. SImilarly, I've had plenty of officers give me a break. One of my favorite instances of this was I was speeding 20mph over the limit. Officer pulls me over and I say, "Look, I know I was speeding but I have a date with one of the Bud Light Girls and I was going to be late but I'll be on time now, I promise I won't speed anymore..." and the officer was taken aback and then said, "Alright, go, just no more speeding"

25% of my interactions with police are middle of the road, not good not bad, just meh

10% of my interactions with police are what I would call "Lightning in the air" bad, you know, that sense that at any moment something bad might happen. During these interactions it takes a conscious effort and will on my part to make sure things don't go south. In these instances it feels like the officer is wound tight just waiting for "any" chance to pop off on me with violence, so I make EVERY effort to not give him the chance no matter how rude or disrespectful the officer is with all the "boy" talk (racist officers love calling black men "boy" they know we hate it).

5% of my interactions with police have been life threatening and very scary with no provocation on my part whatsoever. FWIW I've never been arrested and I've filed complaints for these incidents, nothing came of the complaints though...
Just how many interactions have you had with police. It sounds like a lot from what you said.
 
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The main problem is how police approach African Americans, often they are more impolite and/or escalate situations unnecessarily.

Police respect whites more than blacks during traffic stops, language analysis finds


Communication is a big issue, and this is not a problem only seen with police, but also with teachers when dealing with African American students.

Interesting read. I would be very interested in knowing if the officers were trying to be disrespectful or trying to relate. For example, I've been around groups of black people and observed how they talk to each other, me and other whites. Their language could easily be considered disrespectful. But that's how they talk. Sometimes I wonder if cops are trying to relate to them in the language they hear.

I wonder if some training could take place to tell the cops to not try and relate with language and just use words like ma'am, sir, or first or last names. Using things like Mr. Mrs. Miss etc could be bad these days due to the gender issues. I don't know, just thinking out loud here.
 
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I whole heartedly agree. The problem though is that law enforcement is made up of human beings. And any profession that deals with the stuff cops deal with on a daily basis is going to have issues from time to time from the humans in that position. And each situation needs to be dealt with on a individual basis.

Contrary to some opinions previously expressed this is NOT typical behavior of cops in this country. It does happen. When it does it should be dealt with. But it's not a rampant issue. Most cops are very good people who do their jobs well and do not treat people like this. This cop needs to face severe disciplinary action up to and including dismissal. In his state he might also be charged with assault.

But people have to STOP with the "typical behavior" stuff. And we also need to recognize this kind of stuff is inevitable for this type of profession due to humans being involved.

Yes, cops are human beings and not 100% perfect, I get that. However, there is one big problem with law enforcement that very few other professions have...

Too often in law enforcement, when police demonstrate obviously bad behavior on a repeated basis NOTHING HAPPENS TO THEM. In fact, quite the opposite, the entire system swings into place to protect said bad cop. Police will write fictional police reports backing the bad cop's version of events.

You can't tell me that this was "the first time" this cop was disrespectful to a citizen in this manner. No way, not a chance. I guarantee that "other officers" witnessed this cop acting in this manner before tons of times and not one of them reported him.

Cops have a gang mentality when it comes to policing themselves, they just don't do it. Something has to be obvious and caught on video tape in order for any corrective action to be taken and oftentimes even that is not enough!!! It feels like a citizen quite literally has to be killed in order for police departments to do something.

THere is a case where a cop was drunk and driving erratically 90 mph down the freeway into another county. This cop was arrested by a female cop. The Entire Local Law ENforcement community ostracized the female cop who arrested the drunk cop. Seriously? Yep! She ended up having to move to another county.

In any event, if there wasn't thousands of hours worth of bully cops on youtube getting away with their behavior with NO REPERCUSSIONS WHATSOEVER then yeah, my attitude would change.

But I can literally link you to thousands of hours worth of abhorrent behavior from cops that are still on the force. The proof is right there on youtube but nope, nothing happens. And that is my problem. Change that one thing, hold cops to the same standards that we hold pretty much everyone else to, and this problem would drastically be reduced
 
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