Nancy Pelosi warns GOP that a Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency

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Gun violence and climate change are actual emergencies, unlike today, which was such a serious issue that Donny....went to Palm Beach to go play golf: Peter Alexander on Twitter
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Obama declared 13 national emergencies. One was because of an outbreak of the flu. Another of his "national" emergencies dealt with one city only--Flint, Michigan.

It doesn't sound like much of a precedent being broken in President Trumps case.
I thought that federal emergency funding was capped in the millions?
 
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...what's even funnier is how two years into President Trumps administration how suddenly the border has become "an emergency".
I don't know where you get the idea that Trump has just now thought of it as an emergency.:scratch: He's talked about it as one of his major concerns for several years now.
...I guess getting huge tax cuts for President Trump and his friends was a "greater emergency" then the border huh?
Getting the economy moving again was indeed a greater emergency and an easier fix as well. But even if it were not - the congress is not the one who might be declaring an emergency. The President is and it is his actions we are talking about.
and apparently it was used by some Republican Presidents as well, what's your point?
Yes it was and I didn't say otherwise.

You know full well the point. It is just as I said in my post. The Dems are now citing "dangerous precedent" because they hate Trump and did no such thing when Obama and Clinton declared national emergencies many times during their terms. You must have missed it when you read my post.
...wasn't she put in her position by God? I thought we weren't supposed to talk about one of the Lords anointed like that? :scratch: tulc(is just wondering) :sorry:
Since you are wondering, here is the pertinent scripture.

"Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor." Romans 13:1-7
Unlike the police - Pelosi is not an authority over me. Nor is she my ruler. She is the representative of her particular district in Washington obligated to consider and vote on proposed laws.

Once a law is voted into existence by a majority of our representatives we are generally obligated to obey the authorities who will be in charge of it's enforcement.

I have not resisted authority and I am under subjection to it. Do you know of some place where I have done otherwise?

"“You shall not curse God, nor curse a ruler of your people." Exodus 22:28

I am not under the law given to Israel by God and Moses.

Even if I was - I remind you - Nancy Pelosi is not the ruler of my people.
 
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I don't know where you get the idea that Trump has just now thought of it as an emergency.:scratch: He's talked about it as one of his major concerns for several years now.

That's right: for two of the three unfortunate years of his presidency, he had a majority of Republicans in both chambers of Congress. Mysteriously, though, the border only became an """emergency""" after his party lost the House and a Democratic majority was seated. Funny how that works.

Also funny that evidence shows pretty clearly that there is no emergency at the border and that one has not existed there for years (if ever):
There Is No Border Crisis

You know full well the point. It is just as I said in my post. The Dems are now citing "dangerous precedent" because they hate Trump and did no such thing when Obama and Clinton declared national emergencies many times during their terms. You must have missed it when you read my post.

Dems are citing dangerous precedent because an emergency was declared where one does not exist.

"Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor." Romans 13:1-7
Unlike the police - Pelosi is not an authority over me. Nor is she my ruler. She is the representative of her particular district in Washington obligated to consider and vote on proposed laws.

Once a law is voted into existence by a majority of our representatives we are generally obligated to obey the authorities who will be in charge of it's enforcement.

I have not resisted authority and I am under subjection to it. Do you know of some place where I have done otherwise?

"“You shall not curse God, nor curse a ruler of your people." Exodus 22:28

I am not under the law given to Israel by God and Moses.

Even if I was - I remind you - Nancy Pelosi is not the ruler of my people.

I only respect people who have earned my respect, whether they're (supposedly) leaders of my country or average people. Donny has not earned my respect.
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That's right: for two of the three unfortunate years of his presidency, he had a majority of Republicans in both chambers of Congress. Mysteriously, though, the border only became an """emergency""" after his party lost the House and a Democratic majority was seated. Funny how that works.
Again I remind you and tulc - the two chambers of congress are not the ones considering declaring an emergency.

Nor is the presidency responsible for submitting spending bills for congress to sign. It works the other way around.

By the way - where do you get the idea that the thing Trump has talked about constantly for the last several years has not been considered an emergency by him?
Dems are citing dangerous precedent because an emergency was declared where one does not exist.
That's a matter of opinion. Tell that to the little girls being raped by coyotes who are bring them through our porous border or the the victims of illicit drugs or to the victims of the like of MS-13.
I only respect people who have earned my respect, whether they're (supposedly) leaders of my country or average people. Donny has not earned my respect.
Read the related scriptures and do as you will.
 
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No...but she does seem to over rule President Trump.
Actually Trump sought wall funding in the bill Pelosi is sending him for signing.

She said previously that she would give nothing for a wall if they opened the government. She caved.
tulc(might point out: Presidents aren't rulers either)
Nor did I say otherwise.
 
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The El Chapo $14B should be a good start.
Ahhh! Another of those Republican myths:
Make El Chapo pay for a border wall? Don't count on it
But the defense claimed the government’s narrative of a flood of cash fueling Guzman’s conspicuous consumption was wildly exaggerated. In his closing argument, defense attorney Jeffrey Lichtman cited testimony from another cooperator who said that when Guzman was on the run as one of Mexico’s most wanted about 10 years ago, he was $20 million in debt and could barely pay the underlings protecting him in one of his mountainside hideouts.

“The dude had no money,” Lichtman told the jury.

Lichtman insisted in a phone interview Thursday that the idea that the 61-year-old Guzman is a billionaire is bogus.

The $14 billon “is a fantasy figure,” he said. “It’s fantasy not only on how it was reached, but on how they hope to collect on it.”
So...much like our President El Chapo isn't really a billionaire, he just plays one on tv. :sorry:
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Again I remind you and tulc - the two chambers of congress are not the ones considering declaring an emergency.

Nor is the presidency responsible for submitting spending bills for congress to sign. It works the other way around.

By the way - where do you get the idea that the thing Trump has talked about constantly for the last several years has not been considered an emergency by him?

Declaring an emergency when his party was in majority control would have increased his likelihood of actually getting a wall. Instead, he sat on his behind for two years....until a Democratic House was seated, in which case the situation was suddenly an "emergency" that needed to be addressed.

Just because he talked about something constantly doesn't mean it's an emergency.

That's a matter of opinion. Tell that to the little girls being raped by coyotes who are bring them through our porous border or the the victims of illicit drugs or to the victims of the like of MS-13.

No, it's a matter of provable fact.
There Is No Border Crisis
Trump’s tales about gagged women are misleading Americans about human trafficking, experts say | The Star
Retiring Border Chief Calls Trump's Wall a Waste of Time, Money
What Border Agents Say They Want (It’s Not a Wall)
Trump Says Border Wall Will Stop Drugs. Here’s What a DEA Intel Report Says.

But Donny said it, so it must be so, right?

Read the related scriptures and do as you will.

I've read them. Nowhere does it say that an abusive, incompetent and lying "leader" should be afforded my respect.
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Actually Trump sought wall funding in the bill Pelosi is sending him for signing.

She said previously that she would give nothing for a wall if they opened the government. She caved.
She compromised, he caved. But I understand the need to pretend that the "master deal maker" couldn't possibly be that bad at making deals. :swoon:

Nor did I say otherwise.
Didn't say you had. It's just nice to know all those "have to obey the ruler" Scriptures don't apply to us. :oldthumbsup:
tulc(was really getting tired of people pretending they applied to the US) ;)
 
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By the way - where do you get the idea that the thing Trump has talked about constantly for the last several years has not been considered an emergency by him?
The definition of emergency answers that question. Trump himself has made the argument that it really isn't an Emergency....

On Friday, he claimed: "I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didn't need to do this [national emergency]. But I would rather do it much faster."

Does that sound like he believes that it is an emergency?


Dictionary result for emergency
/əˈmərjənsē/
noun
noun: emergency; plural noun: emergencies
a serious, unexpected, and often dangerous situation requiring immediate action.
"your quick response in an emergency could be a lifesaver"
synonyms: crisis, urgent situation, extremity, exigency;
  • arising from or needed or used in an emergency.
    modifier noun: emergency
    "an emergency exit"
    synonyms: urgent, crisis; More
    impromptu, extraordinary
    "an emergency meeting"
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She said previously that she would give nothing for a wall if they opened the government. She caved.
She behaved like a responsible representative and negotiated with the Republicans. I've never liked Pelosi but in this case I am impressed.
 
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Since you are wondering, here is the pertinent scripture.

"Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor." Romans 13:1-7
Unlike the police - Pelosi is not an authority over me. Nor is she my ruler. She is the representative of her particular district in Washington obligated to consider and vote on proposed laws.

Once a law is voted into existence by a majority of our representatives we are generally obligated to obey the authorities who will be in charge of it's enforcement.

I have not resisted authority and I am under subjection to it. Do you know of some place where I have done otherwise?

"“You shall not curse God, nor curse a ruler of your people." Exodus 22:28

I am not under the law given to Israel by God and Moses.

Even if I was - I remind you - Nancy Pelosi is not the ruler of my people.

The governing authority in the US is the US Constitution and US statutory law - not a person. And what does the law say about the appropriations process?
 
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I've got a house full of guests who want to go fishing for striped bass and catfish this weekend and Monday.

The conservative party yields the floor to the libs for the duration of the thread.:wave:
mmmm...catfish....
tulc(the only type of fish he likes...) :sigh:
 
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...what's even funnier is how two years into President Trumps administration how suddenly the border has become "an emergency". I guess getting huge tax cuts for President Trump and his friends was a "greater emergency" then the border huh?
He gave the dems 2 years to grasp the situation but they just don't seem to have the interest in learning.....
 
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...wasn't she put in her position by God? I thought we weren't supposed to talk about one of the Lords anointed like that? :scratch:
tulc(is just wondering) :sorry:
@tulc if you really believed what you just posted nobody would ever hear from you again on this site.....:ahah:
 
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