What is the significance of infant baptism?

Major1 · Feb 15, 2019

BABerean2 said:
No. What matters to God is perfection.

I have one who kept the covenant perfectly for me, and was also circumcised for me on the 8th day of life.

However, I do understand that the New Covenant is a higher standard of conduct than the Old Covenant.

I also have the master teacher inside of me, based on the verses below.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

This text reveals the fulfillment of Hebrews 8:11.

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I have enjoyed reading your Bible grounded responses in this thread. Thanks for your input and Christian behavior!

I hope that we will talk again on another thread but as for this one......I am finished.

Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over and over expecting a different out come. That is where I am here with such un-Biblical comments from some of our friends.

Major1 · Feb 15, 2019

ExTiff said:
I do, daily or whenever the thought occurrs. How about you?
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Yes sir I do. I have now for over 70 years. I was simply thanking God AGAIN today that you are moving on from this thread.

Maybe down the road we can collaborate on some other Bible doctrine but for sure not this one.

Blessings to you and your family ……….Major is out!

Major1 · Feb 15, 2019

ExTiff said:
What mendatious nonsense is this! You not only have a talent for misquoting me, you also have missed out the rather sarcastic reposte I was answering, so as to make it look as though I am saying your belief resulted from your grandparent(s) belief.

You snydily said: "I am sure that you are much "Holier" than me, and have always been so, (since you were baptized into the covenant as an infant...)"

I replied, and intended you to understand: "If one or both of your parents / grandparents, were believing God's Promise of Salvation, then so were you." :- ( Baptised into the covenant ), (even though you may not have been 'sprinkled' physically or properly done).

Now I know what Jesus was up against. Luke 11:54.

I'm done with this too. Prov.26:4-5. Either way is futile. There is no point in going on with it, my patience is not inexhaustable.
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I did not say that my friend...……... I agree with it but it was not me.

"You snydily said: "I am sure that you are much "Holier" than me, and have always been so, (since you were baptized into the covenant as an infant...)"

That came from "BABerean2".

ExTiff · Feb 15, 2019

Major1 said:
I have enjoyed reading your Bible grounded responses in this thread. Thanks for your input and Christian behavior!

I hope that we will talk again on another thread but as for this one......I am finished.

Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over and over expecting a different out come. That is where I am here with such un-Biblical comments from some of our friends.

"You snydily said: "I am sure that you are much "Holier" than me, and have always been so, (since you were baptized into the covenant as an infant...)"

Please accept my humble appology for falsely accusing you. I had not checked to see who wrote it. My mistake!

I have enjoyed debating with you, (mostly :amen:

), at least we have gone a bit beyond "It can't be found anywhere in the New Testtament", as if that is the end of the matter. Not surprising really since most of what God did and said appears in the 39 books of the Old Testament and the 27 books of the New are mostly either telling us about Jesus of Nazareth and how important He is to us, or telling adults how to start and continue 'being saved'. Not much point in telling tiny babies how to start on that, they have too much to cope with starting on everything else. It's hard starting from nothing but a tit to suck on. Still God loves 'em and he knows beforehand every decision they will ever make. There can never be a better decision than to decide to relay on Jesus for your salvation then just 'do your best for Him'.

God not only knows when we have got there, He also had everything to do with how we got there, believe it or not.
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BABerean2 · Feb 15, 2019

ExTiff said:
Not much point in telling tiny babies how to start on that, they have too much to cope with starting on everything else. It's hard starting from nothing but a tit to suck on. Still God loves 'em and he knows beforehand every decision they will ever make.

The above would apply equally to all babies, including those of unbelievers.

All are born with the same sin nature of Adam.

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ExTiff · Feb 15, 2019

BABerean2 said:
You are ignoring the fact that the Sinai Covenant was a conditional "if" "then" covenant.

The penalty for picking up sticks on the Sabbath day was stoning.

Exo_19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Jesus Christ was the only one to ever keep the Sinai Covenant perfectly.

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If / then eh! Has it occurred to that the New Covenant is very similar in that respect. Surely you are aware that if we engage in this kind of behaviour, Gal.5:19-21; Eph5:3-7. then there will be consequences consumate with covenant breaking, just as was true under the Old covenant.

Those who lived under the old dispensation were just as reliant entirely upon faith and 'a circumcised heart', and dependent on 'the righteous of Christ', as are we in The New. The only difference being 'they awaited their Messiah' in faith, believing God's Promise, and we 'remember his coming', in faith, believing God's Promise.

Of course there are some who only believe some of God's promises, but doubt that He keeps others.
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Major1 · Feb 15, 2019

BABerean2 said:
The above would apply equally to all babies, including those of unbelievers.

All are born with the same sin nature of Adam.

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Correct!

ExTiff · Feb 15, 2019

BABerean2 said:
The above would apply equally to all babies, including those of unbelievers.

All are born with the same sin nature of Adam.

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God has not sworn an eternal covenantal promise to all babies, that he will accept them as His children, until they grow up and perhaps themselves decide otherwise, thus perhaps becoming covenant breakers and renegades. God only promises this to the babies of believers. Others have to wait until they hear and understand the gospel and respond in faith.
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ExTiff · Feb 15, 2019

Major1 said:
Correct!

I thought you were ducking out?

YeshuaFan · Feb 15, 2019

BABerean2 said:
I am sure that you are much "Holier" than me, and have always been so, since you were baptized into the covenant as an infant...

It is probably due to your grandfather being much "Holier" than my grandfather...

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None are into the NC until they have received Lord Jesus thru a personal faith in Him!

YeshuaFan · Feb 15, 2019

ExTiff said:
God has not sworn an eternal covenantal promise to all babies, that he will accept them as His children, until they grow up and perhaps themselves decide otherwise, thus perhaps becoming covenant breakers and renegades. God only promises this to the babies of believers. Others have to wait until they hear and understand the gospel and respond in faith.
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No, there is no scriptures that assure children will grow up and be saved just due to being in a Christian household!

ExTiff · Feb 15, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
No, there is no scriptures that assure children will grow up and be saved just due to being in a Christian household!

Absolutely right! But if they don't, whose fault would that be! Not God's.
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ExTiff · Feb 15, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
None are into the NC until they have received Lord Jesus thru a personal faith in Him!

That depends in what way they are actuallly 'in' the covenant. It is possible to be under the covenant but not yet in it. Being in it requires repentance, faith, trust in Jesus Christ for salvation and obedience to Him as Lord and Master.
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ExTiff · Feb 15, 2019

ExTiff said:
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And we do not get saved, we are being saved. Phil.2:12.

YeshuaFan · Feb 15, 2019

ExTiff said:
That depends in what way they are actuallly 'in' the covenant. It is possible to be under the covenant but not yet in it. Being in it requires repentance, faith, trust in Jesus Christ for salvation and obedience to Him as Lord and Master.
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One can be in a church under the administration of the NC, but unless one has faith in Jesus to be their Lord and Messiah, not actually in the NC!

YeshuaFan · Feb 15, 2019

ExTiff said:
And we do not get saved, we are being saved. Phil.2:12.

Salvation occurs the very moment one believes and confesses that Jesus is their Lord!

ExTiff · Feb 15, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
One can be in a church under the administration of the NC, but unless one has faith in Jesus to be their Lord and Messiah, not actually in the NC!

One can be in the visible church under the administration of the NC, but unless one has faith in Jesus to be their Lord and Messiah, not actually in the NC!
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BABerean2 · Feb 15, 2019

ExTiff said:
And we do not get saved, we are being saved. Phil.2:12.

Luk_18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Php 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
Php 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
Php 2:17 Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all.

If I have already been through the process below, what must I do to be saved?

Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

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ExTiff · Feb 15, 2019

BABerean2 said:
Luk_18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Php 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
Php 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
Php 2:17 Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all.

If I have already been through the process below, what must I do to be saved?

Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

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OSAS is a damnable heresy which denies the necessity for perseverance in the saints.

We are daily being saved Acts.2:46-47. Phil.2:12. 1 Cor.1:18. 2 Cor.2:15. We are being saved all the time we are a living part of the church militant here on earth. We are only saved (past tense), once we have died and reached heaven, where our salvation has been hidden with Christ in God. Col.3:3.

If I have already been through the process below, what must I do to be saved?

Continue! Jn.8:31. Jn.15:9. Acts.13:43. Acts 14:22. Rom.11:22. Col.1:23. 1 Tim.2:15. 1 Tim. 4:16. 1 Jn.2:24.
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BABerean2 · Feb 15, 2019

ExTiff said:
OSAS is a damnable heresy which denies the necessity for perseverance in the saints.

We are daily being saved Acts.2:46-47. Phil.2:12. 1 Cor.1:18. 2 Cor.2:15. We are being saved all the time we are a living part of the church militant here on earth. We are only saved (past tense), once we have died and reached heaven, where our salvation has been hidden with Christ in God. Col.3:3.
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Have you been "born again" of the Spirit of God?
When did it happen?

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

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