Is the bible sexist?

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I'd say that the Bible is not a monolith in this regard. There are - as have been noted - a large number of passages which uncritically reflect sexist assumptions, ideas and practices. There are also passages which are highly subversive of sexism.

The question for each reader is which set of passages is going to be given priority in interpreting the whole. Do the egalitarian passages give us the rule by which to understand the more sexist passages, or the other way around?

I mean, my answer's no doubt plain as the... nose... in my avatar, but I think this is the decision with which all contemporary readers who are not unaware of feminist critique are confronted.

The deeper question beneath that is, what set of values and experiences is driving your hermeneutic choice? Do those values and experiences deserve critical reflection themselves, and even possibly repentance?
Everything deserves critical examination but not everything receives it at the same time nor in a single life time that is why it has taken so long for Christians to get to where we are regarding the teaching of Christ and the role of the bible. It is not as easy as some like to make it seem. The gospel may be simple at some level yet it is profoundly complex at other levels. It's hard work, the work of many life times and the only way I know by which a single human being can grapple with it is to rely to some degree on the work of other people through the centuries and today.
 
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God made man in HIS image
God made woman in MANS image
Where is that written in scripture or is your ad-lib comment to be taken on faith?
Genesis 1:27 And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
 
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Some people are going to make a big thing about what they think the bible teaches and hence in their opinions ought to be obeyed. The people who do this are usually the ones who benefit from the alleged teaching.

DING DING DING....we have a WINNER! :)

And then they will often use so-called "logic" along an idealized view of a lack of any emotion to "prove" that those considered of less value in human society are simply being overly-emotional or hysterical whenever they protest against this privileged view they are attempting to justify with the misuse of scripture or God.
 
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Either way God chose a man for leadership roles 99% of the time so I'm not going to trust your opinions and feelings over God's wisdom.

Everything you say is about self centeredness and "gender war!"

So you took a very well thought-out and reasoned response and then dismissed and responded to it with the equivalent of a "nuh uh". Very convincing.
 
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Where is that written in scripture or is your ad-lib comment to be taken on faith?
Genesis 1:27 And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
I apolagize should of posted it

For a man should not have his head covered, (since he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man). 1 Corinthians 11:7
 
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Paul is using the example of the current Greco-Roman household structure to teach people who were previously pagans about Christ. He was not attempting to set up a household structure where a man held his wife, minor children, and servants as sub-human property for all time. To interpret it as such is harmful and not of God.

The word translated as "helper" is used in other places in scripture to refer to God. So God is also lesser than a man? The message of this scripture isn't to set up a hierarchy where a male dominates over everyone else, but to show us that we need other human beings for companionship. That having *only* animals isn't sufficient and that we were also meant to have companionship from others of our kind.

Humans are the ones who keep wanting to set up social structures of human domination and misery, and often misuse scripture and claim that it comes from God in order to enforce it, but God isn't at fault. These sorts of evils are all on us.
A biblical and hence a Christian understanding of creation and faith as well as power is that each is given gifts for the benefit of the whole - of the body as Paul said in an analogy he used several times - power and the gifts that confer it is to be shared each one makes a contribution by being who and what he or she is as God made them. It's not hierarchical nor is it the antithesis of hierarchy it is communal and it has innate structure with temporary authority given by consent and taken when consent is withdrawn or when the need for it dissipates. The biblical order is closer to an orderly anarchy of community based human culture.
 
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I apolagize should of posted it

For a man should not have his head covered, (since he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man). 1 Corinthians 11:7
That verse doesn't say a women is the image of man. She is made in the image of God as is the man. What it does say is that a woman is the glory of the man, think on that for a while and explain what it can mean in a hierarchy in which women are to keep silence and find their salvation in childbearing.
 
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That verse doesn't say a women is the image of man. She is made in the image of God as is the man. What it does say is that a woman is the glory of the man, think on that for a while and explain what it can mean in a hierarchy in which women are to keep silence and find their salvation in childbearing.
I will pray on this also when I get home I will read it from my NT and report back my findings

May we be guided by the Holy Spirit and not our will

Did you provided I did error on this find error in any other posts of mine
 
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That verse doesn't say a women is the image of man. She is made in the image of God as is the man. What it does say is that a woman is the glory of the man, think on that for a while and explain what it can mean in a hierarchy in which women are to keep silence and find their salvation in childbearing.
Also I found this please give your imput

A common understanding of 1 Corinthians 11:7 has been that, compared with woman, man is a more direct reflection of God and man has a more direct relationship with God, and that these factors are displayed in the supposed superiority and authority of man in contrast to the inferior and subordinate status of woman.

Writing in the eighteenth century, John Gill summarises the thinking of many of his contemporaries and predecessors:

“. . . man was first originally and immediately the image and glory of God, the woman only secondarily and mediately through man. The man is more perfectly and conspicuously the image and glory of God, on account of his more extensive dominion and authority
 
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So you took a very well thought-out and reasoned response and then dismissed and responded to it with the equivalent of a "nuh uh". Very convincing.

I do not need to convince people when God has already done enough. I presented facts on how men and women brains work differently. She rejected that. I presented facts on how God appointed men only except in one circumstance and she rejected that too. There is nothing left since she has shown she only cares about her desires and bias.
 
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That verse doesn't say a women is the image of man. She is made in the image of God as is the man. What it does say is that a woman is the glory of the man, think on that for a while and explain what it can mean in a hierarchy in which women are to keep silence and find their salvation in childbearing.


So I see the verse you referring to I read more then it to get context I will post 2 chapters from genisus please read it all and note when man is made what happens then when woman is made input please


Gen.1
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[5] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
[7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[8] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
[9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
[10] And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
[11] And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
[12] And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[13] And the evening and the morning were the third day.
[14] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
[15] And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
[16] And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[17] And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
[18] And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
[19] And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
[20] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
[21] And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[22] And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
[23] And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
[24] And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
[25] And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
[29] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
[30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
[31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen.2
[1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
[4] These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
[5] And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
[6] But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
[8] And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
[9] And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
[10] And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
[11] The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
[12] And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
[13] And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
[14] And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
[15] And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
[16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
[18] And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
[19] And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
[20] And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
[21] And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
[22] And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
[23] And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
[24] Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
[25] And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
 
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my main hurtle is this

God made man then FROM man God made woman one was made originally the second from the original
That is true, yet God himself made both and man did not make either.
 
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my main hurtle is this

God made man then FROM man God made woman one was made originally the second from the original
So God did one work in the male, the female God did a double work. hmnn sounds no brainer to me ;)
 
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The domination over another is how people misinterpret and misapply the scriptures by conveniently leaving out that the husband is also to submit to his wife. Paul writes about mutual submission between husband and wife. When submission is not mutual between husband and wife, or even Christians as a whole (Ephesians 5:21), then much harm and abuse occurs.
Exactly the same thing I was saying, thanks.
 
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So God did one work in the male, the female God did a double work. hmnn sounds no brainer to me ;)
Perhaps because the woman was taken from man God made woman bear children so nether could bost over the other? I truly do wish to seek the truth on this subject .
 
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I do not need to convince people when God has already done enough. I presented facts on how men and women brains work differently. She rejected that. I presented facts on how God appointed men only except in one circumstance and she rejected that too. There is nothing left since she has shown she only cares about her desires and bias.

She rejected your opinions posed as facts and did so with arguments based on reason. Then you come back with what was basically a "nuh uh" which at least partially disproves your original argument about how men are more logical and women more emotional.
 
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