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Douggg said:

I disagree with RT over the 30 nations make up of the EU. And the ENP agreement. But the bible does not state ten "kingdoms" as you are stating either.
In Daniel 7:23-24, it states ten kings shall arise out of the fourth Kingdom. And in Revelation 17:17 those ten kings give their "kingdom" singular to the beast.

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That there will be ten kingdoms is confirmed by Revelation 17:12 They will rule over the ten world regions, that are already mapped out. Google - ten world regions.
They will all give their authority to one person; the "beast", soon to be revealed as the Anti-Christ. Revelation 17:10-13 The EU is simply one of those kingdoms.

Jonathan Walkerin said:

If all people can come up with is vague generalizations and quoting scripture what is the point ? I am actually interested in this so feel free open up.

Also naturally Matthew 7:15

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Yes, Beware of false prophets, they have deceived many with their unscriptural doctrines like the 'rapture to heaven' of the Church and prosperity theology.

But we who do study the Prophetic Word, should not be in the dark about what God has planned for our future. We can know what will happen, but exactly when is not revealed to us.
The next prophesied event, the great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath by fire, is the event that will come as a thief, unexpectedly, shocking the whole world. Triggered by an attack onto Israel by an Islamic confederation. Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Psalms 11:4-6

Many will die and the survivors will form a One World Government, led by ten appointed Presidents. But we Christians, everyone who stood firm in their faith and called out to the Lord for His protection on that Day, Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, will be saved and will be motivated to travel to and live in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Psalms 107, in the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
Great will be the Day!

keras said:

That there will be ten kingdoms is confirmed by Revelation 17:12

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The text does not say kingdoms but kingdom singular. So how does Revelation 17:12 confirm ten kingdoms?

The text of Revelation 17:12 confirms 1 kingdom.

keras said:

The chances of a 30 nation European Union by 2030 is zero. Currently it is coming apart and financially in trouble.
Anyway 30 nations blows your theories away, as Bible prophecy states there will be ten 'kingdoms'.

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And remember.. its all over in 2030.. green new deal.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

He is probably right.We don't truly understand how everything will shake out. But we can see the stage being set. We see Macron putting together an EU army. Ten nations have joined him to create this. We have to watch this development. Also the Pope is aligning the RCC with the Muslims. All of this imho is leading somewhere.

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I wouldn't worry about the RCC ot Islam sister. The False Prophet being a "Beast" means he will BEAST over Religion whilst the Anti-Christ BEASTS over the Governments. The Religious order of the day is pretty clear, all men will be made to Worship the Beast as God or die.

We have the EXACT LIKENESS of this duo in Antiochus and Jason {High Priest}. Jason bribed Antiochus to gain the office of High Priest, thereby Antiochus had Jason's High Priest brother Onias III killed and appointed Jason, whose real name was Yeshua {you can't make this up}. Jason then tried to Hellenize the Jews and the Maccabean Revolt was the result.

Daniel never mentioned Jason nor the coming False Prophet, and I was wondering why he was not given this future event, but John was given the False Prophet, that was strange to me, then it came to me, if Daniel had of been given a Prophecy about a coming False Prophet High Priest, then every other High Priest down through the years might have died at the hands of the Jews who were looking for a treasonous High Priest to come, if you catch my drift, so IMHO, this is why Daniel was never given the Prophecy of the coming High Priest who is going to be a traitor. Of course the Jews did not believe John was of God anyway, because he ran with Jesus.

So I think the reason we get the whole Daniel 11 Syrian Wars in such detail, is so we can see that Antiochus is a TYPE of Anti-Christ, and in the book of the Maccabeans we can read about Jason, or we can read about him in the History books like I did. I think Jason and Antiochus are the exact TYPES of the coming Anti-Christ and False Prophet. Ones a Gentile Ruler/King, the Other is going to be a Jewish High Priest/False Prophet.

There will be no RCC nor Islam allowed under this man. Nor any other religion.

Douggg said:

The text does not say kingdoms but kingdom singular. So how does Revelation 17:12 confirm ten kingdoms?

The text of Revelation 17:12 confirms 1 kingdom.

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Ten kings do not rule one kingdom.
Hinging a belief on whether a translated word is plural or not, is not sensible.

Blade said:

And remember.. its all over in 2030.. green new deal.

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Be good if you had something useful to contribute. Seems like scoffing is your forte.

Revealing Times said:

There will be no RCC nor Islam allowed under this man. Nor any other religion.

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Quite correct. And if you don't have his mark, you cannot buy of sell, then if espouse Christianity, you will go to make up the number in Revelation 6:11.

keras said:

Ten kings do not rule one kingdom.
Hinging a belief on whether a translated word is plural or not, is not sensible.

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It is not just one verse. In Daniel 7, the ten kings are of the fourth kingdom.

It is easy to see that the EU could be organized into ten districts of equal populations, the kings (leaders) voted upon and collectively being the executive branch of the EU.

You are basically making the same concept but on a global scale. No difference.

keras said:

Here's a quote that suits you: Jumping to conclusions can lead to contusions!

If you refuse to believe that the world is at the cusp of dramatic changes, they you have your head in the sand and 2 Peter 3:1-6 applies to you.

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So what is a little peon Gentile Christian like me suppose to do....head for the mountains and caves?

Most Bible scholars agree Luke 21 concerns 70ad Jerusalem........ahem....

Zep 1:10
“And there shall be on that day,” says the LORD,
“The sound of a mournful cry from the Fish Gate, A wailing from the Second Quarter,
And a loud crashing from the hills.

Eze 33:27
“Say thus to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD:
“As I live, surely those who are in the ruins shall fall by the sword,
and the one who is in the open field I will give to the beasts to be devoured,
and those who are in the strongholds and caves shall die of the pestilence.

Luke 21:7
“And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences;
and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.
Mat 24:7
“For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.

18 “And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes.
40 “Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.
Luk 17:
31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away.
And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back.
36 “Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”

Rev 6:15
And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains,

Douggg said:

It is not just one verse. In Daniel 7, the ten kings are of the fourth kingdom.

It is easy to see that the EU could be organized into ten districts of equal populations, the kings (leaders) voted upon and collectively being the executive branch of the EU.

You are basically making the same concept but on a global scale. No difference.

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I believe that the 10 kingdoms will be global, because that is what Daniel 7:23 says and Revelation 13:1-10 mentions the 'beast', the AC's control over all the peoples of the earth several times.

The European Union as those ten 'nations' is a long disproven concept and bears no relevance to the end time events.

LittleLambofJesus said:

So what is a little peon Gentile Christian like me suppose to do....head for the mountains and caves?

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You do what you should know about already; Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
But we are also told to seek shelter on that terrible Day; Isaiah 26:20-21

LittleLambofJesus said:

Most Bible scholars agree Luke 21 concerns 70ad Jerusalem........ahem...

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Yes; Luke 21:20-24 does refer to the first century. But Luke 21:25-28 plainly has not happened yet. Look forward to it!

keras said:

I believe that the 10 kingdoms will be global, because that is what Daniel 7:23 says and Revelation 13:1-10 mentions the 'beast', the AC's control over all the peoples of the earth several times.

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The EU will be the dominant kingdom over the entire earth. It is not one global kingdom because in Daniel 11:40-45, the beast is attacked from the north, south, east.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Hello All

This whole thread is the worst kind of a backward approach to understanding Bible prophecy.

I have been studying for over 40 years ....posting in threads from almost 20 years.

Back in the 1970's everyone seen The Arab alliance and Russia supporting them the 1967 war. They were all sure that since Israel had been re-established in 1948 and a Generation in the Bible was 20 t0 30 years so any day Russia (ie: Prince Chief of Meshech ) and the East Block (Gommer and His Hordes) would invade Israel with the Arabs as Ezekiel 38 says. Totally ignoring the fact that the first resurrection is clearly shown to happen in 37 so 38 is after the 1,000 years.

Well that didn't happen so a Generation became 40 years oppps ok............ 5o years didn't happen oops 60 Years ...nope oooppps 70 Years. Well that chance of any of Eastern Europe Joining Russia in an invasion of Israel ...well I have a better chance of winning Power ball. LoL

Then there was the Regan is the AC doctrine.......no Bush there was even those in this very forum that Said America landing In Iraq was fulfillment of Daniel 8:1-6

Then no Tony Blair is the AC then Obama is the AC.

Trying to take current events and apply them to bible prophecy is doing it backwards. Discern what prophecy says then sit back and watch.

The founding of the Nation of Israel is a false doctrine and false marker. It is a self fulfilling prophecy. And by that I mean those who believed this took control of America 200 years ago and made it happen. Even right down to driving out the Palestinians in a slow Genocide all written down in books over 150 years ago. Including what had to happen politically in America to make it happen. They even forced the Name Israel on the Jews. When they finally got their way to have the Nation formed the Jews wanted to call it what they had always called their Nation IE Judea, but the US would have no part of it and only agreed to support the UN motion if the Jews agreed to be Called Israel.

You want to know who founded Modern Israel and who controls it look at this picture of the Israelis Supreme Court.



That tells you all you need to know. It has nothing to do with anything but their plan.

Douggg said:

The EU will be the dominant kingdom over the entire earth. It is not one global kingdom because in Daniel 11:40-45, the beast is attacked from the north, south, east.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

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Obviously it is impossible for you to see the truths of Bible prophecy, while fixated on false theories.

Daniel 7:23 is undeniable,....he will tread down the whole earth. Those attacks will be insurrections; local uprisings against him.

Douggg said:

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

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The end of the Anti-Christ and his armies will be at Armageddon, which is between the Med. sea and the Lake of Galilee; when Jesus Returns.

Just The Facts said:

They even forced the Name Israel on the Jews. When they finally got their way to have the Nation formed the Jews wanted to call it what they had always called their Nation IE Judea, but the US would have no part of it and only agreed to support the UN motion if the Jews agreed to be Called Israel.

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That's an interesting fact. I knew that ben-Gurion changed the name at the last minute, didn't know why. Thanks for that.
The truth is that the Jewish State of Israel, is a fake Israel, allowed by God to exist as an object of hatred by the Islamic and other peoples, so as God can work with His real Israelites, those who love Him and keep His Commandments.

Now, despite all the failed prognostications, God will correct this situation and will have what He always desired: a people in all of the holy Land, who will be His witnesses and His light to the nations.
Wait for the Day; Isaiah 24, then wait for the call; Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26

Revealing Times said:

I wouldn't worry about the RCC ot Islam sister. The False Prophet being a "Beast" means he will BEAST over Religion whilst the Anti-Christ BEASTS over the Governments. The Religious order of the day is pretty clear, all men will be made to Worship the Beast as God or die.

We have the EXACT LIKENESS of this duo in Antiochus and Jason {High Priest}. Jason bribed Antiochus to gain the office of High Priest, thereby Antiochus had Jason's High Priest brother Onias III killed and appointed Jason, whose real name was Yeshua {you can't make this up}. Jason then tried to Hellenize the Jews and the Maccabean Revolt was the result.

Daniel never mentioned Jason nor the coming False Prophet, and I was wondering why he was not given this future event, but John was given the False Prophet, that was strange to me, then it came to me, if Daniel had of been given a Prophecy about a coming False Prophet High Priest, then every other High Priest down through the years might have died at the hands of the Jews who were looking for a treasonous High Priest to come, if you catch my drift, so IMHO, this is why Daniel was never given the Prophecy of the coming High Priest who is going to be a traitor. Of course the Jews did not believe John was of God anyway, because he ran with Jesus.

So I think the reason we get the whole Daniel 11 Syrian Wars in such detail, is so we can see that Antiochus is a TYPE of Anti-Christ, and in the book of the Maccabeans we can read about Jason, or we can read about him in the History books like I did. I think Jason and Antiochus are the exact TYPES of the coming Anti-Christ and False Prophet. Ones a Gentile Ruler/King, the Other is going to be a Jewish High Priest/False Prophet.

There will be no RCC nor Islam allowed under this man. Nor any other religion.

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RT, do you know what the flaw is in that theory?

High priest does not equal prophet.

The Kings of Israel, the united kingdom were anointed by prophets, not high priests.

Saul - by Samuel
David - by Samuel
Solomon - Nathan

Just The Facts said:

Then there was the Regan is the AC doctrine.......no Bush there was even those in this very forum that Said America landing In Iraq was fulfillment of Daniel 8:1-6

Then no Tony Blair is the AC then Obama is the AC.

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Well, now you can eliminate everyone who is not a Jew.

Douggg said:

RT, do you know what the flaw is in that theory?

High priest does not equal prophet.

The Kings of Israel, the united kingdom were anointed by prophets, not high priests.

Saul - by Samuel
David - by Samuel
Solomon - Nathan

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Anyone can be called to be a Prophet, if a Prophet was a High Priest back in the day then so be it....FALSE PROPHET means he's not a Prophet anyway, but takes the mantle of one. Thus he tries to Prophesy dark things to the Jews. So your point is not valid here brother.

Douggg said:

High priest does not equal prophet.

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Caiphas was a prophet: John 11:49-52
His prophecy proves that it is Christians who are the true people of God.

keras said:

Caiphas was a prophet: John 11:49-52
His prophecy proves that it is Christians who are the true people of God.

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What is in John 11:49-52 does not make Caiphas a prophet.

Revealing Times said:

Anyone can be called to be a Prophet, if a Prophet was a High Priest back in the day then so be it....FALSE PROPHET means he's not a Prophet anyway, but takes the mantle of one. Thus he tries to Prophesy dark things to the Jews. So your point is not valid here brother.

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My point is very valid. The concept of the Antichrist is "Anti", that is instead of and against, Christ the King of Israel.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

To be the King of Israel, coming in his own name, the person has to be anointed by a false prophet, mimicking Samuel and Nathan anointing Saul, David, Solomon.
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The false prophets of Baal did what? They commanded people to worship a false god Baal.

The false prophet in Revelation will command everyone to worship the false god the beast and the image of him.

Hi Dougg

Well I never thought any of them were. I do not need to guess who it is, Scripture is clear who it is and it is not a Jew.