Why evolution isn't scientific

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If mine was the science claim, your plagiarized claim might apply.

You are making a claim about reality. You are unable to support your claim. So I dismiss your claim. There is no good reason to believe for a second that there was a DSP. For all the noise you make about it, you are always utterly incapable of showing any good reason why anyone would believe in it.
 
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You are making a claim about reality. You are unable to support your claim. So I dismiss your claim. There is no good reason to believe for a second that there was a DSP. For all the noise you make about it, you are always utterly incapable of showing any good reason why anyone would believe in it.
Claim smaim. Support the so called science you advocate. Better still, continue to fail to do so, as we know you can't anyhow. No use pretending you did somewhere, sometime somehow either. That game wore thin log ago.
 
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Claim smaim. Support the so called science you advocate. Better still, continue to fail to do so, as we know you can't anyhow. No use pretending you did somewhere, sometime somehow either. That game wore thin log ago.

Claiming magic (as you do) to explain why your argument is correcet is an auto-loss in a scientific debate.

You have nothing and have lost each and every debate on this forum just by your own posts.
 
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You are making a claim about reality. You are unable to support your claim. So I dismiss your claim. There is no good reason to believe for a second that there was a DSP. For all the noise you make about it, you are always utterly incapable of showing any good reason why anyone would believe in it.

Well you see, when well evidenced reality is too painful for some to accept, they turn to creating their own reality, that meets their personal needs.
 
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Claim smaim. Support the so called science you advocate. Better still, continue to fail to do so, as we know you can't anyhow. No use pretending you did somewhere, sometime somehow either. That game wore thin log ago.
Numerous past posts by your goodself have demonstrated that one or other of the following likely holds true:
1. You lack the education or intellect to understand the scientific arguments.
2. Your commitment to a singular interpretation of Scripture has blinded you to the facts.
3. You are too lazy to invest the time in studying the material to which you have been repeatedly directed.

You are best placed to know which of these it is: all are equally sad. Regardless, faslely asserting that you science has not been supported by the contributions of numerous members is unseemly. I encourage you to reflect on that.
 
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Claiming magic (as you do) to explain why your argument is correcet is an auto-loss in a scientific debate.

You have nothing and have lost each and every debate on this forum just by your own posts.
Winning has nothing to do with impressing people of your religion actually. It has to do with how well the support for your claims fares here.
 
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Numerous past posts by your goodself have demonstrated that one or other of the following likely holds true:
1. You lack the education or intellect to understand the scientific arguments.
Or you the wherewithal to post, explain, or defend the same.
2. Your commitment to a singular interpretation of Scripture has blinded you to the facts.
In others words believing like all folks in the bible, that there actually was a creation. Gong!

3. You are too lazy to invest the time in studying the material to which you have been repeatedly directed.
Try to understand that rejecting belief based godless fairy tales labeled wrong has nothing to do with not being familiar with what they blather on about.
You are best placed to know which of these it is: all are equally sad. Regardless, faslely asserting that you science has not been supported by the contributions of numerous members is unseemly. I encourage you to reflect on that.
Not only has it not been supported it cannot be. You betray your religion even calling it science, when talking about origin fables.
 
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Or you the wherewithal to post, explain, or defend the same.
My scientific education is sound. Feel free to ask for an explanation of any aspect of geology or evolutionary biology and I shall be happy to demonstrate this. Can you do the same? Time to put up, or shut up.

In others words believing like all folks in the bible, that there actually was a creation. Gong!
Do you really need to be reminded that there are numerous Christians (globally a majority) who have no trouble accepting evolution? You are entitled to hold your distinctive, specific faith based view. You are not entitled to ignorantly deny the findings of a science you do not understand and apparently are unwilling to understand.

Try to understand that rejecting belief based godless fairy tales labeled wrong has nothing to do with not being familiar with what they blather on about..
I have no beliefs. Beliefs are for those lacking the confidence to accept the world as it is. They are an important crutch for many and I do not begrudge them their support. I find them unnecessary.
Fairy tales lack evidence. Evolution has more evidence than a single person could absorb in a lifetime.
Evolution is god-neutral.
You claim to be familiar with evolutionary theory. As I proposed in my opening paragraph, prove it. Put up, or shut up.

Not only has it not been supported it cannot be.
Lying is unseemly. Please desist.

You betray your religion even calling it science, when talking about origin fables.
I don't have a religion. Religion has an important function in society, but it is surplus to my requirements. Science is a methodology and that methodlogy has amassed a body of evidence that leaves little doubt as to the reality of evolution. Only someone determined to close their eyes and ears could fail to recognise this. Convince me otherwise. Put up or shut up.
 
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My scientific education is sound. Feel free to ask for an explanation of any aspect of geology or evolutionary biology and I shall be happy to demonstrate this. Can you do the same? Time to put up, or shut up.

Great, so what is time like in the far universe, and what nature existed along with it's forces and laws in the early days of life on earth?
Do you really need to be reminded that there are numerous Christians (globally a majority) who have no trouble accepting evolution?
Not my problem.
You are entitled to hold your distinctive, specific faith based view. You are not entitled to ignorantly deny the findings of a science you do not understand and apparently are unwilling to understand.
It is not any findings of science I deny, but that science has any findings on the key issues of the origins debate. It has belief based fables.
I have no beliefs..
Science has beliefs, you have science.

Evolution is god-neutral.
The theory of life evolving from simple life forms is God opposing, God absent, and god awful.
You claim to be familiar with evolutionary theory. As I proposed in my opening paragraph, prove it. Put up, or shut up.
Why pretend simple life form common ancestors are rocket science? They are religion and a belief based interpretation of evidences.
Lying is unseemly. Please desist.
Whether you can see truth or accept it is not the issue.
I don't have a religion.
There you go, denial is a trademark and signature of your religion.
Religion has an important function in society, but it is surplus to my requirements. Science is a methodology and that methodlogy has amassed a body of evidence that leaves little doubt as to the reality of evolution.
A belief based methodology! They religiously apply a godless method of interpreting evidences as well as selecting what criteria can be called evidences.
 
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Great, so what is time like in the far universe, and what nature existed along with it's forces and laws in the early days of life on earth?
Do you also write in English?

I have no idea as to what time is like in the far universe.
I have no practical interest in what time is like in the far universe.
No one has ever demonstrated to me that topics which interest me are in anyway connected with what time is like in the far universe.
Specifically, I see no meaningful connection between the scientific theory of evolution and what time is or is not like in the far universe.

What does the clause "what nature existed along with it's (sic) forces and laws in the early days of life on earth?" mean?

Since nature is "the forces and laws" and the emergent properties thereof, you have essentially asked "what nature existed along with its nature?": self-referential woo-woo disappearing up its own fundament.

Base upon what you may have meant, but failed utterly to state clearly, I make these points:
1. The laws and forces present in the early days of life were no different from those present today.
2. The specific character of the planet differed significantly -
  • The atmosphere contained little or no oxygen.
  • Total continental mass was less than present
  • Asthenosphere temperature was higher and consequently mantle derived magmas differed in composition.
  • Tectonic activity was almost certainly not plate tectonic in character
  • The moon was considerably closer to the Earth and so tides were higher (and days were shorter)
Each of these points can be supported by abundant evidence. I am still waiting for you to put up, or shut up on any of the points I have challenged you on. I have responded to yours. You have simply avoided a response.

Religion is faith based. I respect those who choose their worldview based upon faith. I do not respect those who are so self indulgent as to believe that others must follow a similar path to establish their worldview. If you wish this dialogue to continue you will cease presumptuous and erroneous assertions as to my motivations. It is rude, offensive and ignorant. (My third signature item provides a relevant warning for you.)
 
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I have no idea as to what time is like in the far universe.
I have no practical interest in what time is like in the far universe.
Distances to stars and to anything else in the far universe are based on time being the same.

Specifically, I see no meaningful connection between the scientific theory of evolution and what time is or is not like in the far universe.
No, if we want to get back down on earth what is important here, is that science claims a same nature in the past, and has used the present nature to model the past..including evolution.
What does the clause "what nature existed along with it's (sic) forces and laws in the early days of life on earth?" mean?
Forces like the strong and weak nuclear forces, and etc etc etc.
Since nature is "the forces and laws" and the emergent properties thereof, you have essentially asked "what nature existed along with its nature?": self-referential woo-woo disappearing up its own fundament.
No. I have pointed out that what nature IS like now doesn't matter when talking about nature in the past. That is, unless you first prove it was the same.
Base upon what you may have meant, but failed utterly to state clearly, I make these points:
1. The laws and forces present in the early days of life were no different from those present today.
Prove it.
2. The specific character of the planet differed significantly -
  • The atmosphere contained little or no oxygen.
  • Total continental mass was less than present
  • Asthenosphere temperature was higher and consequently mantle derived magmas differed in composition.
  • Tectonic activity was almost certainly not plate tectonic in character
  • The moon was considerably closer to the Earth and so tides were higher (and days were shorter)
Each of these points can be supported by abundant evidence.



And all of those could be related to a different nature in the past. So? Are you suggesting any of these things prove nature was the same?
Religion is faith based
As is origin science.

. I respect those who choose their worldview based upon faith. I do not respect those who are so self indulgent as to believe that others must follow a similar path to establish their worldview
That is what science does.
 
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Support the so called science you advocate. Better still, continue to fail to do so, as we know you can't anyhow. No use pretending you did somewhere, sometime somehow either. That game wore thin log ago.

Support the so called different state past you advocate. Better still, continue to fail to do so, as we know you can't anyhow. No use pretending you did somewhere, sometime somehow either. That game wore thin log ago.
 
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Support the so called different state past you advocate. Better still, continue to fail to do so, as we know you can't anyhow. No use pretending you did somewhere, sometime somehow either. That game wore thin log ago.
What I support here is the claim science doesn't know. Yet they pretend. Your quest was to support your belief based so called science claims. You failed.
I am not asking other religions to support their beliefs, people can believe what they wish. Science may NOT believe anything without support. It claims not to be a belief. You can't have it both ways. Support so called science or admit is is just another belief.
 
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What I support here is the claim science doesn't know. Yet they pretend. Your quest was to support your belief based so called science claims. You failed.
I am not asking other religions to support their beliefs, people can believe what they wish. Science may NOT believe anything without support. It claims not to be a belief. You can't have it both ways. Support so called science or admit is is just another belief.

No, the claim you make is that the laws of the universe were different in the past and are still different far away. You need to support your claim. And you have failed to do so.

As for your claim that science doesn't know, you only say that because you don't understand how science works. You need to be educated, but since you have completely ignored me when I have tried to do so, I doubt you ever will. Remember, your ignorance of science is not an argument against it.
 
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No, the claim you make is that the laws of the universe were different in the past and are still different far away. You need to support your claim. And you have failed to do so.
That is what history and the bible describe it is not a scientific claim. Now if you have more than belief, we should see that.
As for your claim that science doesn't know, you only say that because you don't understand how science works.
No it is because I understand what it claims and why. If you understood we might bet more than would be clever banter.

Can you, for example, start by showing us why you think you know any radioactivity existed in the far past on earth? Ha.
 
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That is what history and the bible describe it is not a scientific claim.

Agreed. What the Bible describes is not a scientific claim. And what you claim is "history" ios nothing more than a collection of old myths. You don't seem to be bothered by pesky details such as verify what they say is true. You seem to only care that they support your preconceived ideas, so of course they MUST be true simply because it is convenient to you for them to be true.

Now if you have more than belief, we should see that.

Yet you have nothing more than belief.

No it is because I understand what it claims and why. If you understood we might bet more than would be clever banter.

You understand little to nothing of science.

Can you, for example, start by showing us why you think you know any radioactivity existed in the far past on earth? Ha.

Already done it. And I'm not doing it again because every single other time I have tried explaining it to you, you've ignored it or claimed it is wrong because your ideas say otherwise. Of course, you never produce any evidence to support your claims that my explanations are wrong. Honestly, I've got better things to do than waste my time trying to explain something to you that you have no interest in learning about and will likely ignore anyway. You want me to continue an actual discussion about this with you? You'll have to show me that it won't be a waste of my time. And you can do that by acting like a rational human being and supporting the claims you make. Until you do that, explaining things to you is not worth the effort.
 
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Agreed. What the Bible describes is not a scientific claim. And what you claim is "history" ios nothing more than a collection of old myths. You don't seem to be bothered by pesky details such as verify what they say is true. You seem to only care that they support your preconceived ideas, so of course they MUST be true simply because it is convenient to you for them to be true.
All history and the bible is cast off by your narrow minded religion. OK.

Yet you have nothing more than belief.
Actually I have the silver bullet that shoots through the heart of so called science. I know their weakness and claims and what they can bring to the field of battle to support it. Diddly squat.
You understand little to nothing of science.
Much more than I'd like to actually. I only plunged into their cultish depths of madness and evil in order to defeat them.

Already done it. And I'm not doing it again because every single other time I have tried explaining it to you, you've ignored it or claimed it is wrong because your ideas say otherwise.
Stop kidding yourself about the weak religion you posted in the name of science. It was a duck shoot for me.

Of course, you never produce any evidence to support your claims that my explanations are wrong.
No one can produce evidence fairy tales and baseless beliefs are wrong. All that needs to be done is show they are but beliefs.

Honestly, I've got better things to do than waste my time trying to explain something to you that you have no interest in learning about and will likely ignore anyway.

I understand you have some need to pretend you could. Not my problem. Not like you ask for help.

I declare absolute unconditional victory.
 
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In science time, no. They place the time of the flood at 70 million years ago! Of course they have no clue there even was a flood, but the geologic area where the flood probably was (KT) is dated something like 65 or 70 million years.

Why say they place a time of the flood, since they "have no clue there even was a flood"?
 
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Why say they place a time of the flood, since they "have no clue there even was a flood"?
They place the time that the KT layer was formed at 65 or 70 million years ago. I currently accept that the flood was about that time.

In other words their 70 million years is about 4400 actual years. If they said 180 million, well that might be something closer to 5000 years ago! If they say 4 billion years that is something like 6000 years. They go wildly wrong soon as they get to the boundary of when this nature started. Why, because they use only this nature and the assumption of the same nature in the past for dates.
 
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All history

No. Old myths do not count as history.

and the bible is cast off by your narrow minded religion. OK.

Bit rich of you to claim that I am narrow minded when you refuse to learn about science because you'd rather hold on to your ideas, yet think you know enough about science to claim they are wrong.

Actually I have the silver bullet that shoots through the heart of so called science. I know their weakness and claims and what they can bring to the field of battle to support it. Diddly squat.

Are you trying to sound impressive or something?

Much more than I'd like to actually. I only plunged into their cultish depths of madness and evil in order to defeat them.

Do you mean to be funny, or is that just an unintended by-product?

Stop kidding yourself about the weak religion you posted in the name of science. It was a duck shoot for me.

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No one can produce evidence fairy tales and baseless beliefs are wrong. All that needs to be done is show they are but beliefs.

If you know so much about science as you claim, how do you get it so wrong?

I understand you have some need to pretend you could. Not my problem. Not like you ask for help.

So you know so little about science you can't even recognise it.

I declare absolute unconditional victory.

It's like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't know the rules, so you can't even play, and it just struts around, poops on the board, knocks the pieces over and flies off thinking it did quite well...
 
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