Why are there debates on the most basic things in scripture?

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There are debates about the Trinity, Jesus divinity, etc, certain sins that are clearly condemned in scripture, and the like.

I don't need to sit and watch a 1-hour debate back-in fourth between people to find out if Homosexuality or Abortion is a sin or not.

Or for many other clearly revealed scriptures.

I don't get it, if someone truly believes the Bible is the Word of God. What in the world are they thinking trying to skirt around scripture to support something the Bible clearly doesn't support, or they are deluded and blind?

There really are people out there that believe the Bible is ok with homosexuality and many other sins.
 
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There are debates about the Trinity, Jesus divinity, etc, certain sins that are clearly condemned in scripture, and the like.

I don't need to sit and watch a 1-hour debate back-in fourth between people to find out if Homosexuality or Abortion is a sin.

Or for many other clearly revealed scriptures.

I don't get it, if someone truly believes the Bible is the Word of God. What in the world are they thinking trying to skirt around scripture to support something the Bible clearly doesn't support, or they are deluded and blind?

There really are people out there that believe the Bible is ok with homosexuality and many other sins.

You find that only among those followers of later traditions who try to shoehorn those traditions through the bible.

For example, have you ever seen two Orthodox Christians arguing over the meaning of scripture? Whenever I have seen that it is only on the most trivial of things and the reason for that is, quite simply, the Orthodox Church already knows the meaning of scripture and has known that for two thousand years now.

The bible is the most studied book in human history and contains now no new information. It is only when people want to change its meaning that they begin to argue about it.
 
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I don't get it, if someone truly believes the Bible is the Word of God. What in the world are they thinking trying to skirt around scripture to support something the Bible clearly doesn't support, or they are deluded and blind?

2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
 
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There are debates about the Trinity, Jesus divinity, etc, certain sins that are clearly condemned in scripture, and the like.

I don't need to sit and watch a 1-hour debate back-in fourth between people to find out if Homosexuality or Abortion is a sin or not.

Or for many other clearly revealed scriptures.

I don't get it, if someone truly believes the Bible is the Word of God. What in the world are they thinking trying to skirt around scripture to support something the Bible clearly doesn't support, or they are deluded and blind?

There really are people out there that believe the Bible is ok with homosexuality and many other sins.
Because there is no authority but what they interpret of Scripture.
 
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2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

The bought part, I don't quite get. The Lord redeemed them with his blood?, and then they decided to teach heresies after that?

I'm not sure if I am getting the correct meaning.
 
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There are debates about the Trinity, Jesus divinity, etc, certain sins that are clearly condemned in scripture, and the like.

I don't need to sit and watch a 1-hour debate back-in fourth between people to find out if Homosexuality or Abortion is a sin or not.

Or for many other clearly revealed scriptures.

I don't get it, if someone truly believes the Bible is the Word of God. What in the world are they thinking trying to skirt around scripture to support something the Bible clearly doesn't support, or they are deluded and blind?

There really are people out there that believe the Bible is ok with homosexuality and many other sins.

Question: "Why are there so many different Christian interpretations? If all Christians have the same Bible, and the same Holy Spirit, should not Christians be able to agree?"

Answer:
Scripture says there is “one Lord, one faith, one baptism” (Ephesians 4:5). This passage emphasizes the unity that should exist in the body of Christ as we are indwelt by “one Spirit” (verse 4). In verse 3, Paul makes an appeal to humility, meekness, patience, and love—all of which are necessary to preserve unity. According to 1 Corinthians 2:10-13, the Holy Spirit knows the mind of God (verse 11), which He reveals (verse 10) and teaches (verse 13) to those whom He indwells. This activity of the Holy Spirit is called illumination.

In a perfect world, every believer would dutifully study the Bible (2 Timothy 2:15) in prayerful dependence upon the Holy Spirit’s illumination. As can be clearly seen, this is not a perfect world. Not everyone who possesses the Holy Spirit actually listens to the Holy Spirit. There are Christians who grieve Him (Ephesians 4:30). Ask any educator—even the best classroom teacher has his share of wayward students who seem to resist learning, no matter what the teacher does. So, one reason different people have different interpretations of the Bible is simply that some do not listen to the Teacher—the Holy Spirit. Following are some other reasons for the wide divergence of beliefs among those who teach the Bible.

1. Unbelief. The fact is that many who claim to be Christians have never been born again. They wear the label of “Christian,” but there has been no true change of heart. Many who do not even believe the Bible to be true presume to teach it. They claim to speak for God yet live in a state of unbelief. Most false interpretations of Scripture come from such sources.

It is impossible for an unbeliever to correctly interpret Scripture. “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14). An unsaved man cannot understand the truth of the Bible. He has no illumination. Further, even being a pastor or theologian does not guarantee one’s salvation.

An example of the chaos created by unbelief is found in John 12:28-29. Jesus prays to the Father, saying, “Father, glorify your name.” The Father responds with an audible voice from heaven, which everyone nearby hears. Notice, however, the difference in interpretation: “The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.” Everyone heard the same thing—an intelligible statement from heaven—yet everyone heard what he wanted to hear.

2. Lack of training. The apostle Peter warns against those who misinterpret the Scriptures. He attributes their spurious teachings in part to the fact that they are “ignorant” (2 Peter 3:16). Timothy is told to “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15). There is no shortcut to proper biblical interpretation; we are constrained to study.

3. Poor hermeneutics. Much error has been promoted because of a simple failure to apply good hermeneutics (the science of interpreting Scripture). Taking a verse out of its immediate context can do great damage to the intent of the verse. Ignoring the wider context of the chapter and book, or failing to understand the historical/cultural context will also lead to problems.

4. Ignorance of the whole Word of God. Apollos was a powerful and eloquent preacher, but he only knew the baptism of John. He was ignorant of Jesus and His provision of salvation, so his message was incomplete. Aquila and Priscilla took him aside and “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:24-28). After that, Apollos preached Jesus Christ. Some groups and individuals today have an incomplete message because they concentrate on certain passages to the exclusion of others. They fail to compare Scripture with Scripture.

5. Selfishness and pride. Sad to say, many interpretations of the Bible are based on an individual’s own personal biases and pet doctrines. Some people see an opportunity for personal advancement by promoting a “new perspective” on Scripture. (See the description of false teachers in Jude’s epistle.)

6. Failure to mature. When Christians are not maturing as they should, their handling of the Word of God is affected. “I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. You are still worldly” (1 Corinthians 3:2-3). An immature Christian is not ready for the “meat” of God’s Word. Note that the proof of the Corinthians’ carnality is a division in their church (verse 4).

7. Undue emphasis on tradition. Some churches claim to believe the Bible, but their interpretation is always filtered through the established traditions of their church. Where tradition and the teaching of the Bible are in conflict, tradition is given precedence. This effectively negates the authority of the Word and grants supremacy to the church leadership.

On the essentials, the Bible is abundantly clear. There is nothing ambiguous about the deity of Christ, the reality of heaven and hell, and salvation by grace through faith. On some issues of less importance, however, the teaching of Scripture is less clear, and this naturally leads to different interpretations. For example, we have no direct biblical command governing the frequency of communion or the style of music to use. Honest, sincere Christians can have differing interpretations of the passages concerning these peripheral issues.

The important thing is to be dogmatic where Scripture is and to avoid being dogmatic where Scripture is not. Churches should strive to follow the model of the early church in Jerusalem: “They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer” (Acts 2:42). There was unity in the early church because they were steadfast in the apostles’ doctrine. There will be unity in the church again when we get back to the apostles’ doctrine and forego the other doctrines, fads, and gimmicks that have crept into the church.

www.gotquestions.org/interpretations-Christian.html
 
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There are debates about the Trinity, Jesus divinity, etc, certain sins that are clearly condemned in scripture, and the like.

I don't need to sit and watch a 1-hour debate back-in fourth between people to find out if Homosexuality or Abortion is a sin or not.

Or for many other clearly revealed scriptures.

I don't get it, if someone truly believes the Bible is the Word of God. What in the world are they thinking trying to skirt around scripture to support something the Bible clearly doesn't support, or they are deluded and blind?

There really are people out there that believe the Bible is ok with homosexuality and many other sins.

Every single Christian group/sect/denomination has their problems, some more than others, and at different times. I'll refrain from examples that come to mind. Speaking in generalities and in brief, in response to "if someone truly believes the Bible is the Word of God" is at the very root of so many debates and problems. Biblical criticism, especially of the so-called "higher" type, combined with popularizing relativism as theory of truth and ethics through a secular lens has greatly contributed to and compounded the problem. We're in a war John, a war of worldviews and ideas and observe how the prevailing views impact society as a whole. Countless Christians have surrendered a high view of Scripture, many have retreated to Church as the final authority, others still believe false teachers and apostatize. Debates can be (though not necessarily depends) useful to the struggling Christian, and helpful in different ways. Much more could be said, but this is the short version.
 
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People debate according to their level of understanding and also cultural influences. Contemporary Christianity is so different from the audience in the Bible it was intended for that makes understanding it difficult unless you have a quality scholarly understanding of the Bible and context it was written in. A little knowledge is a cause of quarrels in a way.
 
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There are debates about the Trinity, Jesus divinity, etc, certain sins that are clearly condemned in scripture, and the like.

I don't need to sit and watch a 1-hour debate back-in fourth between people to find out if Homosexuality or Abortion is a sin or not.

Or for many other clearly revealed scriptures.

I don't get it, if someone truly believes the Bible is the Word of God. What in the world are they thinking trying to skirt around scripture to support something the Bible clearly doesn't support, or they are deluded and blind?

There really are people out there that believe the Bible is ok with homosexuality and many other sins.

Because people who don't know and who are even living in unbelief are making "Christian" doctrine that isn't of God and it is confusing a lot of people who just assume that when you say you are something--like a Christian--that you truly are.

But, when I wasn't a Christian, I didn't know what it really meant to be a Christian myself. You could have told me, but I would have believed the same lies about you that others would say about me now. So, what I would have stood for then is quite the opposite of what I stand for today.

Yet, on both sides--before and after God waking me up--I would have told you that I was a Christian! As an unbeliever falsely-labeled "Christian", I thought that abortion was fine, evolution was true, etc... But, after God woke me up, I found myself on the opposite side of those issues. It isn't by accident that the Scriptures say "the Spirit and the flesh are at enmity with each other." You can't serve both at the same time.
 
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The bought part, I don't quite get. The Lord redeemed them with his blood?, and then they decided to teach heresies after that?


That's correct .
 
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Do they at least know what they do? Or do they do this out of ignorance?

It's a scary thing to do something God hates in ignorance.


I think it's a self deception...people think their way of understanding is correct so they ignore the actual truth and end up teaching their own heresies.
 
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I think it's a self deception...people think their way of understanding is correct so they ignore the actual truth and end up teaching their own heresies.

One of my biggest fears is deception. When I was lost I went to an insane church that twisted the scriptures and kept everyone in ignorance.

I got out of that and decided to stick with Baptist and Calvinist Bible Believers.

But I still get that flood of doubts, "Am I still in the matrix?" , "Did I really find the truth or am I in a delusion and the truth is elsewhere?".

I don't think there is any way for me to know unless God shows me. And I don't think God would leave me in a delusional state if I sincerely want the truth.
 
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I don't think there is any way for me to know unless God shows me. And I don't think God would leave me in a delusional state if I sincerely want the truth.


He won't. Do your best and He will guide you.
 
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John, you asked a similar question awhile back about how to know if we are not deceived by someone's interpretation of Scripture.

My answer then, and now, is to look at the hermeneutics of the person whose interpretation you are viewing.

When someone brings his own pre-suppositions into interpretation and makes false doctrine out of a mis-interpretation of God's Word, then you know his hermeneutics is skewed toward a false reading of Scripture.

Likewise, to answer your OP, there will always be divisive debates in the church by those whose hermeneutics lean toward mis-interpretation. I recommend you to do a study of what constitutes good hermeneutics; both in helping with your own interpretation, and in helping you be discerning of someone's false interpretations.
 
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There are debates about the Trinity, Jesus divinity, etc, certain sins that are clearly condemned in scripture, and the like.

I don't need to sit and watch a 1-hour debate back-in fourth between people to find out if Homosexuality or Abortion is a sin or not.

Or for many other clearly revealed scriptures.

I don't get it, if someone truly believes the Bible is the Word of God. What in the world are they thinking trying to skirt around scripture to support something the Bible clearly doesn't support, or they are deluded and blind?

There really are people out there that believe the Bible is ok with homosexuality and many other sins.

God speaks the Truth "you shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free" John 8:32.

Satan is very good at his job - he fights for every inch of ground. Not going to let that "truth" go unchallenged.

Your question is in essence "Why is every point of truth debated against?" -

On the other hand suppose you were a non-Christian Jew at the time of Christ ... you would be thinking to yourself that "your truth" was being challenged by those pesky Christian Jews.

Good thing for you the Holy Spirit is real and He wrote the Bible. 2Tim 3:16. And you can invite Him to sit with you as you read His text.

But as long as you merely "talk about the bike" rather than 'riding the bike' you can never know for sure.

The bible is experienced. Once you are "in it" then you are "in it to win it" 1 Cor 9 - God leads you one step at a time. But if you are content to hold it at a distance ... then you are never "in it".

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Step 1. Trust God.
Step 2. read your Bible.. seriously.
Step 3. Admit that you are not the author of your own doctrines so when you see that the Bible corrects your belief... accept the correction.

Keep doing that and you will rise to the top.

Israel stepped into the Red Sea - and then.. the water parted.
 
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I don't need to sit and watch a 1-hour debate back-in fourth between people to find out if Homosexuality or Abortion is a sin or not.
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True. That is a bible line of truth that you have accepted and can be certain it is rock solid. Though of course - Satan will oppose every inch of the ground of truth.
 
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There are debates about the Trinity, Jesus divinity, etc, certain sins that are clearly condemned in scripture, and the like.

I don't need to sit and watch a 1-hour debate back-in fourth between people to find out if Homosexuality or Abortion is a sin or not.

Or for many other clearly revealed scriptures.

I don't get it, if someone truly believes the Bible is the Word of God. What in the world are they thinking trying to skirt around scripture to support something the Bible clearly doesn't support, or they are deluded and blind?

There really are people out there that believe the Bible is ok with homosexuality and many other sins.

...because scripture isn't "clear" ?
 
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Maybe we need the teachings of the early Christians to clarify some stuff. Just saying. :scratch:

But both Orthodox (both among themselves and with others) and Catholics (among themselves and with others as well) disagree on what the early Christians are saying. You're not necessarily clarifying; you're adding in more documents to be interpreted.
 
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