Sweeping investigation of Southern Baptists churches reveals 700 sex abuse victims in the last 20...

Rhamiel · Feb 13, 2019

Beloved2018 said:
Is there anything to protect 'real' Catholics especially within the hierarchy from societal influence?

Yes and no
To an extent everyone is a creature of the age they are born in

But that is not to say we are helpless, being tossed back and forth by the winds of the popular culture
Before Vatican II there was the idea that the Church was opposed to the World, but Vatican II “opened the windows to the World” and Popes like John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis have done much harm with ecumenicism

Markie Boy · Feb 13, 2019

Beloved2018 said:
Is there anything to protect 'real' Catholics especially within the hierarchy from societal influence?

I know society is messed up. I'm actually more concerned about protecting Catholics from the hierarchy. They are programed that everything the clergy does is good - but as a newbie I can find lot's of heterodox or absentee performance that causes confusion and division.

AvilaSurfer · Feb 13, 2019

Beloved2018 said:
Is there anything to protect 'real' Catholics especially within the hierarchy from societal influence?

Yes, our own actions.

Beloved2018 · Feb 13, 2019

Markie Boy said:
I know society is messed up. I'm actually more concerned about protecting Catholics from the hierarchy. They are programed that everything the clergy does is good - but as a newbie I can find lot's of heterodox or absentee performance that causes confusion and division.

I guess the way I see it is that if the hierarchy is protected (from worldly influence) then that goes a very long way toward protecting us (from worldly influence).

Beloved2018 · Feb 13, 2019

AvilaSurfer said:
Yes, our own actions.

But shouldn't there be something more...some sort of Divine protection?

chevyontheriver · Feb 13, 2019

Beloved2018 said:
I guess the way I see it is that if the hierarchy is protected (from worldly influence) then that goes a very long way toward protecting us (from worldly influence).

God does protect us, at least as far as we seek the protection. But the hierarchy can be as bad as the rest of us, and sometimes stunningly worse even. The necessary thing is for us to pray for protection for them and for us.

chevyontheriver · Feb 13, 2019

Beloved2018 said:
But shouldn't there be something more...some sort of Divine protection?

It's never just us on our own. But just as God will not save us without our consent, we also need to consent to our protection. It is not automatic. It is freely given when and if we pray for it. So often we just go through the motions.

Beloved2018 · Feb 13, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
It's never just us on our own. But just as God will not save us without our consent, we also need to consent to our protection. It is not automatic. It is freely given when and if we pray for it. So often we just go through the motions.

Yet even our consent is a gift of God.

Michie · Feb 14, 2019

Lack of Central Authority Poses Challenges for Southern Baptists Amid Abuse Scandal

StevenMerten · Feb 14, 2019

Beloved2018 said:
But shouldn't there be something more...some sort of Divine protection?

Matthew 18:5

"Whoever welcomes one such child for my sake welcomes me. On the other hand, it would be better for anyone who leads astray one of these little ones who believes in me, to be drown by a millstone around his neck, in the depths of the sea. What terrible things will come on the world through scandal! It is inevitable that scandal should occur. Nonetheless, woe to that man through whom scandal comes! If your hand or foot is your undoing, cut it off and throw it from you! Better to enter life maimed or crippled than be thrown with two hands or feet into endless fire. If your eye is your downfall, gouge it out and cast it from you! Better to enter life with one eye than be thrown with both into fiery Gehenna.

Hello Beloved,
If Jesus had His Way, in His Church, Children would have all the Divine Protection they need. To 'cut off' the 'hand', 'eye' or 'foot' from the body of the Church means to anathematize and evil doer, especially those who harm children. To anathematize, means for Apostolic Successors to call upon Jesus to bind evildoers to their sins, thus eternal damnation, lest they repent, and have Apostolic Successors loost them from their sins, so they can go to heaven. What we need now, is auto-anathemas which cannot be loost until child molesters confess their crimes in civil courts. This type of Divine Protection from Jesus will protect our children, even our Baptist children.

John 20:20
At the sight of the Lord the disciples rejoiced. "Peace be with you," he said again. "As the Father has sent me, so I send you." Then he breathed on them and said: "Recieve the Holy Spirit. If you forgive men's sins, they are forgiven them; if you hold them bound, they are held bound."

ANATHEMA

In passing this sentence, the pontiff is vested in amice, stole, and a violet cope, wearing his mitre, and assisted by twelve priests clad in their surplices and holding lighted candles. He takes his seat in front of the altar or in some other suitable place, amid pronounces the formula of anathema which ends with these words: Wherefore in the name of God the All-powerful, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, of the Blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and of all the saints, in virtue of the power which has been given us of binding and loosing in Heaven and on earth, we deprive N-- himself and all his accomplices and all his abettors of the Communion of the Body and Blood of our Lord, we separate him from the society of all Christians, we exclude him from the bosom of our Holy Mother the Church in Heaven and on earth, we declare him excommunicated and anathematized and we judge him condemned to eternal fire with Satan and his angels and all the reprobate , so long as he will not burst the fetters of the demon, do penance and satisfy the Church; we deliver him to Satan to mortify his body, that his soul may be saved on the day of judgment."...
...He who dares to despise our decision, let him be stricken with anathema maranatha, i.e. may he be damned at the coming of the Lord, may he have his place with Judas Iscariot, he and his companions.

Quoted from: New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia - Anathema

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Markie Boy · Feb 14, 2019

Michie said:
Lack of Central Authority Poses Challenges for Southern Baptists Amid Abuse Scandal[/QUOT

no post - changed mind

Michie · Feb 14, 2019

Mohler lamented that "the SBC ecclesial structure directly contrasts with the edifice of the Roman Catholic Church," making reforms difficult to enforce. SBC churches are united by "friendly cooperation with and contributing to the causes of the Southern Baptist Convention," he noted.

Michie said:
Lack of Central Authority Poses Challenges for Southern Baptists Amid Abuse Scandal

Markie Boy · Feb 14, 2019

Central authority isn't exactly helping clean up the RCC at record speed either.

StevenMerten · Feb 14, 2019

Markie Boy said:
Central authority isn't exactly helping clean up the RCC at record speed either.

Hello Markie,
Catholic leaders just need a little help from us. Can you imagine if billions of people, around the world, of all religions and non-religions, demanding that Pope Francis, invoke automatic justice, by calling upon Jesus to bind to sin, and thus eternal damnation, any child molester who has not yet confessed his crimes in civil courts? Pope Francis just needs a little help initiating this world wide, binding on all, protection of children, law. We have to help Pope Francis to protect our children.

Michie · Feb 14, 2019

Markie Boy said:
Central authority isn't exactly helping clean up the RCC at record speed either.

Did you read the article? The Catholic Church has rhyme and reason to it where the SBC does not. It is a lot easier do to in the RCC than it will be elsewhere.

chevyontheriver · Feb 14, 2019

StevenMerten said:
What we need now, is auto-anathemas which cannot be loosed until child molesters confess their crimes in civil courts. This type of Divine Protection from Jesus will protect our children, even our Baptist children.

No. We don't need auto-anathemas. Auto-excommunications don't work either. See canonist Ed Peters about that. What we need is bishops with faith AND spine. Bishops who will excommunicate when it is needed. Bishops who will declare an anathema like Richard Burton did. We don't have enough of bishops like that. We can get rid of the auto-excommunications when we have bishops who do their jobs.

Markie Boy · Feb 15, 2019

Michie said:
Did you read the article? The Catholic Church has rhyme and reason to it where the SBC does not. It is a lot easier do to in the RCC than it will be elsewhere.

chevyonthriver is right - we need bishops with faith and spine, and they are few and far between. I don't think there are enough to actually clean up. And most people agree, we need someone from outside the Church to investigate.

It's actually not capable of cleaning itself up. Even with outside investigation the central power will probably work together to resist clean up and cover for each other.

We have to stop trying to convince ourselves that we have this nice central authority and it's the key to everything. Following God's Word - the answer is in there.

chevyontheriver · Feb 15, 2019

Markie Boy said:
chevyonthriver is right - we need bishops with faith and spine, and they are few and far between. I don't think there are enough to actually clean up. And most people agree, we need someone from outside the Church to investigate.

It's actually not capable of cleaning itself up. Even with outside investigation the central power will probably work together to resist clean up and cover for each other.

We have to stop trying to convince ourselves that we have this nice central authority and it's the key to everything. Following God's Word - the answer is in there.

I'm not saying anything about whether Baptists or Catholics are better or worse in regards to sexual abuse. Although the Baptists sure have an uphill battle now to pretend that they are better. I think it is the case that Satan has done well in infiltrating and corrupting within both the Southern Baptists and Catholics. And others as well, and society in general. We are not fighting against anything as mundane as some bad people. We are fighting against the gates of hell. And the gates of hell look like they have the upper hand. A betting person would give you those odds.

Outside investigators are not the cure-all. They may, they might, help in getting the facts out about the filth that needs removing. But the cure is not institutional, whether government or the press. The cure is only going to be divine. Look at the state of the Catholic Church in 1500 AD. A mess of grand proportions. And the Reformation as cure was as bad as the disease. The cure was the reform started at the council of Trent, with folks like Robert Bellarmine. A long reform which worked, against all odds. The institution was ready to crash and burn. It was going to crash and burn. The only rational explanation for it not crashing and burning is that God pulled it out of the crash dive.

Outside investigators seem quite blind to the Lavender Mafia in the Catholic Church. It ain't their concern, except when they are promoting the gaying of Christianity. This is a time of epic significance. We are back to 1500 again, or at least we are rhyming with that time. The cure is fidelity to Jesus, and prayer and fasting. Not to resigning as Catholics but to be actual Catholics in the face of the filth Satan has thrown and will throw at us. Oh, we could resign and go be Orthodox, and then have to decide which side of their monumental schism we were going to separate off into. Like that's somehow a solution. Satan is working hard and succeeding over there too. It's prayer and fasting time, and that's about it. We get the bishops we deserve, unless God has pity on us and gives us better than we deserve.

Markie Boy · Feb 15, 2019

Much wisdom in your post chevy.

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