I cannot mind meld with you so as to teach you what I know. I am hindered by words to convince you of the truth. My suggestion is... "Don't believe me until you have checked everything with Scripture (not just by what I wrote but by what other KJV proponents have wrote." My suggestion is to read with an open mind the KJV Only position and check out their reasons. My suggestion is to do a serious continual prayer for a month, and continually ask God if there is a perfect Word of God for our day in the world language of our day. If you were to do that, I know God will reveal to you the truth that I know.
I don't want to do that.
I am very happy that you enjoy the KJV, that it has helped, and is helping, you to draw closer to God, receive his Spirit and his gifts and live your Christian life; really. But I have received all that too, and every blessing in Christ, without the KJV - through one, or more, or those translations that you refer to as "garbage" and having the devil all over them.
But if you are skeptical and antagonistic and or repulsed by the idea that God preserved His Word for today,
The KJV was not produced until 1611, and you consider even that version to be imperfect.
People were receiving the Gospel, and God's perfect word, way before then.
Jesus IS the Word of God. He spoke only what his Father told him to say - without the help of the KJV.
If you were to click on the spoiler button in my Point #2, you would see the ungodly changes that Modern Translations make via by way of comparison to the King James.
That's my point -
compared to the King James.
Your starting point is that the King James is perfect; you won't even consider the fact that it may be the KJV which contains erroneous translations, based on what they had at that time. Language changes, and people make discoveries.
You either did not look at the verses that showed the devil's name being placed in Modern Translations, or you have come up with a work around so as not to see the obvious truth here.
I don't accept that the Lord God would allow the devil's name to be "placed in modern translations" and then save, heal, teach and greatly bless people through those translations.
If God knows that the only perfect translation of his word is the KJV, why doesn't he guide everyone to it/have every other version destroyed?
If you say there are devilish, dirty or tainted versions of Scripture, then, by implication, those Christians who read them are dirty, lacking in discernment and may not even be saved - don't even go there.
The choice is yours to what you desire to see.
Ditto.
If you had said that the FIRST KJV to be produced is perfect, and all versions since are corrupt; you'd still be wrong, but at least it would make some sense.
But you've said that the 1611 KJV, the one authorised by King James, was not perfect. You're saying that a translation can be imperfect, but that subsequent revision can be perfect - just not any translations that were made after the one that you have decided is perfect. ??
The problem is that they cannot be our final word of authority, though.
God's word is my authority; Jesus is THE word, and God's final word.
Their has to be a nailed down final word (that is impartial) that goes beyond what we would want or desire
And how do you propose that can happen, when language changes all the time?
I've no doubt the KJV uses the word "wicked". Do you know what a teenager would say today if you told them they were wicked? They'd think it was a compliment. Same with "let's pray for ....... she's sick"; they would be wondering why you were praying for someone who was really cool.
You have to actually ignore the Bible in it's meanings on numbers.
No, I am aware that in Scripture 7 and 3 are the numbers for God, 6 is the number for man and so on. I know that numbers meant different things to the Jews.
I am just saying that God's primary revelation of himself is not through numbers - it's through creation, through the prophets, through Jesus and through his written and spoken word.
So, for me, any Bible numbers or "hidden code" that teach about God, are suspect. Salvation is neither a maths challenge nor a detective game.
This is especially true in end times theology - go and look at the eschatology board where people are trying to work out the name of 666, or how many days are left til the end, or what Daniel's prophecy means. All have been wrong so far.
There was no standardization of spelling and grammar yet at this time, and the printing process was not perfected yet.
So?
Spelling mistakes or variations do not alter the truth of God's word.
How can they? American spell words differently to the British - but we can all read and know what they mean.
I am sure the term "KJV Only" is the standard understanding as you describe it. But I have taken the meaning of the term "KJV Only" to mean something different. I have taken it to mean that the KJV is my one and ONLY final word of authority on spiritual matters.
If that's what you believe and it works for you; go for it. Though I am slightly puzzled that you are still prepared to consider "dirty" translations - most KJV purists I've come across wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.
I have no problem with people preferring, and using, only one translation of Scripture. What is wrong is the implication that all other, and subsequent, translations are imperfect/tainted/New Age/from the devil. That further implies that the Christians who use them are misguided, unsaved or do not have the truth - you may not be saying that; others have.
This is only because you have limited knowledge on this topic and you have not done the study in comparing the Modern Translations vs. the KJV with an open mind.
Like I said, your starting point is that you are comparing them to the KJV. Your next line of reasoning appears to be "well as they differ from the KJV and the KJV is absolutely, definitely perfect, these other translations must be wrong".
You can't compare with an open mind - you have already decided that one of the translations is perfect.
And why do I need to? I am very happy with the translation I use; that is why I use it.
I am only saying that they are dirt by way of comparison to the KJV because of the corruptions within them.
Like I said, if you're happy to call God's word, "dirt"; up to you.
My King James Bible does not say on the cover.... "The King James Bible: Just a mere translation." It says, "Holy Bible."
So does mine - so do they all.
The word "Holy" suggests something that is divine.
No, "holy" means "set apart".
We are called to be holy 1 Thessalonians 3:3 - we are not divine. In the OT, things were dedicated to God and became sacred and holy; they were not divine. Baptism and communion are not divine - instituted by the Son of God, yes; divine and to be worshipped, no.
God can save people using a prosperity preacher on TV. That does not mean that the prosperity preacher is teaching correctly always. He can point a person to Jesus just as most Bibles can. But I can still say that a prosperity preacher is a false teacher. That does not mean God cannot use imperfect people, things, and institutions to spread the gospel of salvation.
True; God can use anyone, however imperfect, to proclaim his Good News.
But you weren't just talking about bibles that had minor errors in them - you said that the devil was in, and all over, them, and the bibles themselves were unclean and garbage.
These are Bibles with the words "Holy Bible" on the front, btw.
Yes, I am not discounting people were saved through out history before the KJV.
So therefore it cannot be THE only, perfect word of God.
Why it is important to have a KJV is because it leads us to a deeper faith and trust in His Word.
I don't find that to be the case.
In any event, if you still disagree and you have no interest in exploring the truth on whether or not the KJV could be the perfect Word of God for our day, then I think it is best that we agree to disagree in love and respect as fellow believers in Jesus Christ.
I am very interested in the truth.
JESUS is the truth, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth and God's word is true. The idea that some Bible, produced only in the 1600s, is the ultimate truth - is not true.
Like I say, I am happy for you to use whichever Bible you please, and don't want to argue you into changing your mind. Just don't imply that you, alone, have/know/follow the truth, and the rest of us don't.
