I been trying to keep you on topic, but your reply is always about me instead of that topic.
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1 Corinthians 12:20-27
20 But now indeed there are many members, yet one body.
21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; nor again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."
22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary.
23 And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor;
and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty,
24 but our presentable parts have no need.
But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it,
25 that there should be no schism in the body,
but that the members should have the same care for one another.
26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it;
or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.
1 Corinthians 12:20-27
20 But now indeed there are many members, yet one body.
21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; nor again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."
22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary.
23 And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor;
and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty,
24 but our presentable parts have no need.
But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it,
25 that there should be no schism in the body,
but that the members should have the same care for one another.
26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it;
or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.
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Philippians 2:
1 Therefore if there is any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and mercy,
Php 2:2 fulfill my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself.
Php 2:4 Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
Ephesians 4:
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
Eph 4:13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
Eph 4:14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,
Eph 4:15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—
Eph 4:16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
1 Therefore if there is any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and mercy,
Php 2:2 fulfill my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself.
Php 2:4 Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
Ephesians 4:
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
Eph 4:13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
Eph 4:14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,
Eph 4:15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—
Eph 4:16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
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I'm with the "positive commenters" here. There is so little that a person must believe to be counted in God's Family, meaning Saved. Bottom Line is "Christ and Him Crucified", as the Apostle Paul said in I Corinthians 2:2. But this could be unclear to unbelievers, so let me expand it a little.
Jesus Christ is the one and only begotten son of God. His DNA were planted in a virgin girl, Mary, who was "betrothed" (a fiance) to Joseph. And since the Old Testament Prophets said the Messiah had to come from the house of David, Joseph was of the house of David (actually Mary and Joseph were both of the house of David). God stated in His own voice twice, audibly, that Jesus was His Son. And since David was from Bethlehem, Joseph and Mary had to go to Bethlehem to give birth to Jesus, Caesar Augustus was used by God to force Joseph and Mary to go to Bethlehem (The City of David) to register for the census, hence the Christmas Story.
After Jesus ministered for three years, and fulfilled all of the Old Testament prophesies about Himself (The Messiah), He allowed the ruling Jews (with the Romans help) to crucify him as a propitiation (payment) for the sins of the world, past present and future. This was the final blood sacrifice needed by God, to cleanse the world of all sin, and it was part of their (The Trinity) plan before the world began.
However, just as with the Jews creating thousands of man-made laws, we today have made many of our own man-made laws. However, the foundation, "Christ and Him Crucified ", still holds for all true Christians, and that's all that is demanded of us in order to be Saved.
Now, I believed 90% all Christians will agree with what I have written, so far. However, to pull in the last 10%, of which I am one, I will add one more thing that will automatically happen when a Believer realizes what God/Jesus/Holy Spirit (The Trinity) has done for them, they will repent of their sins, and beg God's forgiveness. Repent is a ugly word, that we don't hear so much anymore, but I believe it is as applicable today as it ever was. Most of the time repentance happens before being Saved and sometimes afterward, but repentance becomes a way of life for true Believers, because we continue to sin until the day we die.
Jesus Christ is the one and only begotten son of God. His DNA were planted in a virgin girl, Mary, who was "betrothed" (a fiance) to Joseph. And since the Old Testament Prophets said the Messiah had to come from the house of David, Joseph was of the house of David (actually Mary and Joseph were both of the house of David). God stated in His own voice twice, audibly, that Jesus was His Son. And since David was from Bethlehem, Joseph and Mary had to go to Bethlehem to give birth to Jesus, Caesar Augustus was used by God to force Joseph and Mary to go to Bethlehem (The City of David) to register for the census, hence the Christmas Story.
After Jesus ministered for three years, and fulfilled all of the Old Testament prophesies about Himself (The Messiah), He allowed the ruling Jews (with the Romans help) to crucify him as a propitiation (payment) for the sins of the world, past present and future. This was the final blood sacrifice needed by God, to cleanse the world of all sin, and it was part of their (The Trinity) plan before the world began.
However, just as with the Jews creating thousands of man-made laws, we today have made many of our own man-made laws. However, the foundation, "Christ and Him Crucified ", still holds for all true Christians, and that's all that is demanded of us in order to be Saved.
Now, I believed 90% all Christians will agree with what I have written, so far. However, to pull in the last 10%, of which I am one, I will add one more thing that will automatically happen when a Believer realizes what God/Jesus/Holy Spirit (The Trinity) has done for them, they will repent of their sins, and beg God's forgiveness. Repent is a ugly word, that we don't hear so much anymore, but I believe it is as applicable today as it ever was. Most of the time repentance happens before being Saved and sometimes afterward, but repentance becomes a way of life for true Believers, because we continue to sin until the day we die.
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The Apostle Paul uses that as a rebuttal against those preaching the law.
Galatians 3:1-3
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?
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I tend to see repenting as faith, as in both are gifts of God towards us in order to get us saved, as God wants us to repent of our good works having anything to do in saving us, and to lean fully upon Jesus and the Cross alone!
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YeshuaFan,
I was trying to negate your original question about the need for all church doctrines to be the same. I liken the argument to a complete Thanksgiving Dinner, where the main course (Jesus), and very few trimmimgs are all that is important, yet we argue over all of the trimmings. One at the dinner table says, "Oh, it's not a complete dinner without fresh Cranberry Sauce", and another says "Oh, it is incomplete if there's no Yams!"
Jesus Christ is the main course in all of "Christiandom", and in all churches! As long as they get that (HIM) right, the rest is all trimmings! It's not about what we know, it's about Who we know!
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Welcome to the forums Paul. Being new here, you will soon find that there are many here in the Controversial forum who equate the "unity of the Spirit" to 'conformity of doctrine'.....always their doctrine, of course. They also believe that changing their mind doctrinally on anything is the equivalent of 'forsaking the faith' so they cling tightly to 'the trimmings', as you aptly put it. So tightly, that they can't begin to receive a new thing from you or anyone else.
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Are we in the last days?
Acts 2:17-18
“‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
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In the end times people will heap teachers to themselves to teach what their itching ears want to hear.
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That's ridiculous.
There have been false prophets as long as there have been prophets.
Are you inferring that all prophecy today is false?
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Your starting point is wrong as although the apostles fixed some divisions, they clearly didn't fix all divisions.
That's why there were regular rebukes on that topic.
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Got a scripture to prove your assertion? No you dont. They fixed all division when it occurred. They sure didnt promote it
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