Was I in the wrong in the way I tried to defend God?

I think it went to far when you said she's goin to hell. Maybe you should have said that the only thing that God does not forgive is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Then that should open her eyes to what she is doin.

ChristianityIsTrue! said:

So my mother claims to be Christian, but she recently said that a certain part of the Bible was wrong. This isn't the first time that she's said some seriously wrong things about the scripture. However, this time I told her, as soon as she said it, that she was going to hell (it was kind of spontaneous because I was fed up with her making these little jabs at scripture all the same). Then I told her that I was serious and she responded with a "Wow...". Then, I told her, "Well, let me rephrase that. What you said is worthy of hell" and then I questioned her about if she even believes at all, saying because Christians will not go to hell. I question from time to time if she's even Christian and it feels like I'm coming closer and closer to a realization that she's not and it makes me so sad. Did I make a mistake or should I stick to my guns and tell her that I'm not sorry for defending God's word and that I'm sick of her speaking evil of it (even though she claims to be Christian!).

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Knowledge puffs up but, love edifies.
Your knowledge of scripture shouldn't cloud your judgement and lead you to disrespect others esp your mother. Everything must be done in Love. Even correction when done in love will not dishonor others. Zeal without knowledge is vain. Your passion to contend for the truth is right but it ought to come from a place of humility and not bog down others just to prove a point. God is more than able to defend His Word to those who disbelieve or doubt. What you now know, wasn't familiar to you a few years back. Be gentle, patient and kind. Show the fruit of the Spirit.

It sounds like a mess of confusion on both ends. Maybe she has an entirely skewed view of what a wife's submission looks like and she sees it as servitude in giving a man everything they want by being his slave regardless of what the Husband wishes and she has imposed that understanding into the Binlical text believing that that is what The Bible says, therefore she rejects the Bible almost entirely because of her self imposed interpretation if submission. Rather than jumping to a conclusion of calling her unsaved because of what she said shows a lack of understanding and wisdom on your part. If you want to correct her, you've got to grow in your relationship with the Father in Jesus footsteps in irder to see the very picture of this submission of the wife Paul talks about. Submission of the wife to her Husband is a submission out of Love for the Husband just as our submission as Followers of Christ is to him, out of Love and Gratitude. This submission is only possible when the Husband is first fully submitted to Christ and the Father himself. He then will have all the tools needed to be what he needs for His wife and the woman will naturally submit and cleave to her Husband. Hope this help you understand your situation more. Feel free to use this as an example for your mother.

ChristianityIsTrue! said:

Well, he wasn't preaching on the meaning beyond saying that the Bible says wives submit to your husbands, period. Also, this isn't new to her. She's made these kinds of comments in the past. I've quoted to her clear scriptures in response about the roles of husband and wife and she just brushes it off and has called it wrong. I mean, this isn't the only time. Like I also pointed out, she's mocked/said it was the writings of men (if I can remember right) the story of Job and how he was in the belly of the sea creature as just one example of something she says are just the mere writings of men in the OT. At this point, I feel like telling her that you need to stop blaspheming God. It's not a joke and this is serious. If I didn't care for my mother, then I wouldn't even be telling her it's wrong. I'd do what the world does and go right along with the evil deed.

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If you care for your mother, be still and pray for her. God does the changing, not you. He is the one who opens the spiritual eyes to see the truth and ears to hear. What is in your heart, the mouth speaks (Luke 6:45). A critical heart produces a critical tongue.
Make your mouth a Fountain of life (proverbs 10:11).

If she had said that the Bible is wrong when it says that bats are birds, would that make her worthy of Hell?

ChristianityIsTrue! said:

So my mother claims to be Christian, but she recently said that a certain part of the Bible was wrong. This isn't the first time that she's said some seriously wrong things about the scripture. However, this time I told her, as soon as she said it, that she was going to hell (it was kind of spontaneous because I was fed up with her making these little jabs at scripture all the same). Then I told her that I was serious and she responded with a "Wow...". Then, I told her, "Well, let me rephrase that. What you said is worthy of hell" and then I questioned her about if she even believes at all, saying because Christians will not go to hell. I question from time to time if she's even Christian and it feels like I'm coming closer and closer to a realization that she's not and it makes me so sad. Did I make a mistake or should I stick to my guns and tell her that I'm not sorry for defending God's word and that I'm sick of her speaking evil of it (even though she claims to be Christian!).

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I would ask her the "Kennedy questions": (1) If you were to die tonight, what would happen to you? (2) If you were to appear before God and if he were to ask you, "Why should I let you into heaven?" what would you say? If she says that she's going to heaven because of her good works, ask her, when Jesus said that we must be perfect in the sermon on the mount, are you perfect? (4) If she answers, "no," ask her, "Then, how can you get into heaven if you're not perfect?" Then explain that Jesus' perfect life, death, and resurrection as our Substitute enable us to enter heaven and later the new universe, not at all our good deeds. His resurrection gives us the new birth and the desire to follow him and believe in the Bible as God's inspired Word.

ChristianityIsTrue! said:

So my mother claims to be Christian, but she recently said that a certain part of the Bible was wrong. This isn't the first time that she's said some seriously wrong things about the scripture. However, this time I told her, as soon as she said it, that she was going to hell (it was kind of spontaneous because I was fed up with her making these little jabs at scripture all the same). Then I told her that I was serious and she responded with a "Wow...". Then, I told her, "Well, let me rephrase that. What you said is worthy of hell" and then I questioned her about if she even believes at all, saying because Christians will not go to hell. I question from time to time if she's even Christian and it feels like I'm coming closer and closer to a realization that she's not and it makes me so sad. Did I make a mistake or should I stick to my guns and tell her that I'm not sorry for defending God's word and that I'm sick of her speaking evil of it (even though she claims to be Christian!).

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The bible says that "out of the heart the mouth speaks". Your heart has got frustrated at your mothers lack of understanding of scripture, your mouth followed and burst fourth. We have to be careful how we deal with thoughts of others, although your mother has a poor knowledge of scripture, we can not say "she is worthy of hell", nor that "she is not saved". You really need to stop meditating upon those statements for they are causing wrath in you, and just spend your time praying for your mother. We don't have to fix everything, God knows her heart better than you or I, and he know the best way to minister to her truth. It is not your job as a Christian to change your mother, just speak the truth to her, and pray that it sinks down into her soul.

CIT,
If you're still visiting CF, please consider listening to this Francis Chan message for insight. But let your mother also hear it - not directly. Play the video around her as you listen so that she can hear the message without actually saying to her, "Listen to this with me." Just consider listening to it while under the same roof with her so she can hear in passing. Perhaps her interest will be sparked. (I hope you're helped by this and I pray that a hunger and thirst for righteousness is stirred within your mom as the gospel is ministered to her through the video if you'd like to listen (pray about it), through you, others, and especially directly from the pages of His Word)

Love her, refer steadfastly to the 4 gospels in order to get a picture of what love really is, and share the gospel with her with honor as well as with gentleness.

Sketcher said:

From what you shared, you have likely lost spiritual influence in her life.

What I would have done is demonstrate why she is wrong about that particular passage by asking her why she thinks it is "wrong," listened to her answer, and followed up with more questions and more truth about the context in a way that makes a better case for it being right, and I wouldn't take any shortcuts there.

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ChristianityIsTrue! said:

So my mother claims to be Christian, but she recently said that a certain part of the Bible was wrong. This isn't the first time that she's said some seriously wrong things about the scripture. However, this time I told her, as soon as she said it, that she was going to hell (it was kind of spontaneous because I was fed up with her making these little jabs at scripture all the same). Then I told her that I was serious and she responded with a "Wow...". Then, I told her, "Well, let me rephrase that. What you said is worthy of hell" and then I questioned her about if she even believes at all, saying because Christians will not go to hell. I question from time to time if she's even Christian and it feels like I'm coming closer and closer to a realization that she's not and it makes me so sad. Did I make a mistake or should I stick to my guns and tell her that I'm not sorry for defending God's word and that I'm sick of her speaking evil of it (even though she claims to be Christian!).

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Ok first of all as much as you were trying to defend God, God is God he doesn't need you to defend him, he defends us not, the other way round, 2nd only God knows the heart of man read THE following verses about the hearts of men Psalms 44:21Would not God discover this? For he knows the secrets of the heart.JEREMIAH 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?,maybe you dnt understand why she does that, if it hurts so much find out why she would have detested against the bible..its not for us to judge anything about who is gong to heaven or who is going to hell, if the bible says in Genesis 8:21 And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done, why would you speak such harsh words to your mother, we are BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS, please remember as a true christian it is your duty to protect the mission(spreading the gospel)..preach to her the right thing, tell her the word of the God(WHICH IS THE TRUTH.).If she goes to church and you thought she was one well constantly preach to her about who God really is Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.it will get to her For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart Heb 4:12.Last but not least pray for your mum as well, like seriously pray for her, GOD NEEDS TO REACH TO HER LIKE HE REACHED OUT TO YOU..YOU Are the Believer you are because God made you that...For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast Eph 2 8-9. Now that you know its a problem you need to address it in prayer and preaching out to her it hurts but you have the Holy spirit to guide you, grace to walk your mother through to the light.

Some things you said.. should never be toss out like that. Know we can't see the heart. We only see FLESH we then judge that person on the moment or a few moments in time and them based on again what we see hear and feel. God see the heart. He sees all of her life. Salvation is not "you have to believe the whole bible". Its Christ came in the flesh died for the worlds sins.. was buried rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father.

Hmm .. Christ.. was what before He came? Became the servant of all..do you see? Everything was made by Him...yet He became the servant...its LOVE that will change a heart. We need to become ALL things..ask the holy Spirit how to talk what to say.. in LOVE...respect. Hell...something that should never be toss out.. were not ANYONES God. We have no say nor who gets written in HIS Books and only HE Knows whos in there. And those that know Him are HIS KIDS! Knowing Christ PRAISE GOD! But.. gives us no right to TOUCH HIS kids.. HE will defend THEM against ANY that come against them.

See them through HIS eyes...His heart...His mind..that is in you. Forgive me if I have offened..

Loyce KG said:

Knowledge puffs up but, love edifies.

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Very well said, Amen

ChristianityIsTrue! said:

So my mother claims to be Christian, but she recently said that a certain part of the Bible was wrong. This isn't the first time that she's said some seriously wrong things about the scripture. However, this time I told her, as soon as she said it, that she was going to hell (it was kind of spontaneous because I was fed up with her making these little jabs at scripture all the same). Then I told her that I was serious and she responded with a "Wow...". Then, I told her, "Well, let me rephrase that. What you said is worthy of hell" and then I questioned her about if she even believes at all, saying because Christians will not go to hell. I question from time to time if she's even Christian and it feels like I'm coming closer and closer to a realization that she's not and it makes me so sad. Did I make a mistake or should I stick to my guns and tell her that I'm not sorry for defending God's word and that I'm sick of her speaking evil of it (even though she claims to be Christian!).

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I honestly don't know. Jesus was pretty blunt with those around him. Ya'll are a bunch of white washed tombs. White and pretty on the outside, but filled with dead men's bones. Not exactly a warm and fuzzy conversation. If your eye offends you, pluck it out. Better to go to Heaven missing an eye, than to go to hell with your body intact. Not exactly a happy feel good moment.

So... some part of me says better to be direct with people. However, the other part of me is thinking.... this is your mother after all. I wager she looks up to you, and you should consider that.

And then I think, yeah but she is claiming to be Christian, and yet hypocritically claiming the Bible is not true.

So the bottom line is..... I don't know man. This is tough. You should just pray and consider. Honor your parents is a commandment, is it not? But she is acting badly, for sure.

Tough call man. Just... family is hard. Welcome to the reality of human life.

ChristianityIsTrue! said:

So my mother claims to be Christian, but she recently said that a certain part of the Bible was wrong. This isn't the first time that she's said some seriously wrong things about the scripture. However, this time I told her, as soon as she said it, that she was going to hell (it was kind of spontaneous because I was fed up with her making these little jabs at scripture all the same). Then I told her that I was serious and she responded with a "Wow...". Then, I told her, "Well, let me rephrase that. What you said is worthy of hell" and then I questioned her about if she even believes at all, saying because Christians will not go to hell. I question from time to time if she's even Christian and it feels like I'm coming closer and closer to a realization that she's not and it makes me so sad. Did I make a mistake or should I stick to my guns and tell her that I'm not sorry for defending God's word and that I'm sick of her speaking evil of it (even though she claims to be Christian!).

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I am sorry to read of this spiritual turmoil within the relationship between you and your Mom. I am moved in my heart to reply because I desire peace for your spirit. You are not held by our lord in some form of "pass/fail" evaluation. I believe that you have a sincere desire to be right with God while at the same time not realizing you are already right with God. God did not send His Son so you could be "made" lovable...He sent Him because He "...so loved the world", and you are a precious component of this world! If I were to offer any advice it would be not to be offended by your mother's questioning the scriptures, God is unaffected by her words, God does not need us to defend Him. Put the "hell" stuff and assessment of Mom's Christianity aside and ask God to help you accept her as she is...as he accepts all of us. Allow this whole situation to be a source of enlightenment and spiritual growth. God bless!

Cis.jd said:

I smell a troll thread.

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There have been a number of them lately. They are really easy to pick out.