The Catholic Church is Wrong, the Millennium has not started yet.

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Or has it. And, does the Catholic Church teach the Millennium has already started?

If not, then they have not been reigning with Jesus.

Jesus' reign does not begin until after the Second Woe.

The reign begins after the Second Woe to a few.

But, is known globally only after the Beast and the False Prophet are thrown into the Lake of Fire.

All of these statements are true.

If you disagree, why not? Discuss.

I am curious.
 

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Or has it. And, does the Catholic Church teach the Millennium has already started?

If not, then they have not been reigning with Jesus.

Jesus' reign does not begin until after the Second Woe.

The reign begins after the Second Woe to a few.

But, is known globally only after the Beast and the False Prophet are thrown into the Lake of Fire.

All of these statements are true.

If you disagree, why not? Discuss.

I am curious.

Chiliasm (google "the error of chiliasm") was condemned in the fifth century or so. That has been the view of the original apostolic Churches since that time. The Orthodox Churches view chiliasm as an error while the Roman Church considers it "an unsafe doctrine to teach".
 
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Hi HT

Well that whole post is in error. Apostolic Churches are not fifth century not fourth not third not even Second. Justin Martyr was from a John's church at Ephesus within one generation of John's death and he very clearly states there will be a thousand years. He also states that anyone who teaches a straight to heaven theology IE not soul sleep is not a true Christian but the worst kind of false teacher. It was later "Church Fathers" not Apostolic Fathers that taught straight to heaven or hell. Most notably Augustine's "City OF God" Now there were Amills in Justin's time and he calls them true Christians but clearly states that they are wrong and that his Church at Ephesus IE John's Church is right. Which makes sense that those taught by John himself would understand Revelation the best.












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Or has it. And, does the Catholic Church teach the Millennium has already started?

If not, then they have not been reigning with Jesus.

Jesus' reign does not begin until after the Second Woe.

The reign begins after the Second Woe to a few.

But, is known globally only after the Beast and the False Prophet are thrown into the Lake of Fire.

All of these statements are true.

If you disagree, why not? Discuss.

I am curious.

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The Two Resurrections

Christ taught that there are two general resurrections: a "'resurrection of life'" for the just and a "'resurrection of condemnation'" for the unjust (John 5:28, 29; Acts 24:15). The 1000 years (referred to as the millennium) these resurrections (Rev. 20:4, 5).

The resurrection of life

Those who are raised in the first resurrection are called "blessed and holy" (Rev. 20:6). They will not experience the second death in the lake of fire at the close of the 1000 years (verse 14). This resurrection to life and immortality (John 5:29; 1 Cor. 15:52, 53) takes place at the Second Advent (1 Cor. 15:22, 23; 1 Thess. 4:15-18). Those who experience it cannot die anymore (Luke 20:36). They are united with Christ forever.

What will the resurrected body be like? Like Christ, the resurrected saints will have real bodies. And as Christ arose a glorified being, so will the righteous. Paul said that Christ "will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body" (Phil. 3:21). He calls the unglorified body and the glorified one the "natural body" and the "spiritual body," respectively; the former being mortal and corruptible, the latter immortal and imperishable. The change from mortality to immortality takes place instantaneously at the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:42-54).

The resurrection of condemnation

The unrighteous are raised in the second general resurrection, which takes place at the end of the 1000 years. This resurrection proceeds to the final judgment and condemnation (John 5:29). Those whose names are not found in the book of life will be raised at this time and "cast into the lake of fire" and experience the second death (Rev. 20:15, 14). They will be destroyed. Malachi 4:1,3
 
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Jesus' reign does not begin until after the Second Woe.

So, Jesus was incorrect when He said?:
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
(Matthew 28:18)


And likewise, Peter was also mistaken to make this claim?:
who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.
 
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So, Jesus was incorrect when He said?:
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
(Matthew 28:18)


And likewise, Peter was also mistaken to make this claim?:
who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.


What did Paul say?
 
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Chiliasm (google "the error of chiliasm") was condemned in the fifth century or so. That has been the view of the original apostolic Churches since that time. The Orthodox Churches view chiliasm as an error while the Roman Church considers it "an unsafe doctrine to teach".

I jnw what chillism is. did u know that?
 
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What did Paul say?
That’s what I thought.
If you wish to have a back and forth conversation, ie; I ask, you answer, then you ask, I answer, and so on, then I’m all for it.

If you believe this should just be a one sided inquisition with you Requiring me to answer your questions but you refusing to answer mine, then I’ll pass.
 
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