Is drinking booze witchcraft?
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To be clear, it says any one "who is called a brother" who is these things. As Paul says in 1 Cor. 5:10, he is not concerned with Christians associating with unbelievers who are sexually immoral. The distinction between the two is clear. Paul just doesn't want to harm the reputation of Jesus and His people by causing confusion.
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If you do a study of the usage of "wine" and "strong drink", it is nearly (with one exception I found) always condemned for overuse (drunkenness). All things in moderation, unless it causes a weaker brother to stumble. That said:
- Jesus' first miracle involved making lots and lots and lots of high quality wine
- Jesus ate and drank with sinners and was accused of being a drunkard so they were not teetotaler parties
- Jesus compares the gospel to new wine
- Lots of "vineyard" illustrations in the gospels
- Wine is Jesus' chosen, everyday substance to represent the blood of the New Covenant, which the early church is told to drink in remembrance of him as often as the drink of it...sounds like that's not once a week.
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There is only one un-forgivable sin, just one, and drinking is not it. If all my sins are forgiven then I am glade for it.
We all sin, drink or not, so how is all your others sins going to be forgiven?
Ok,Ok, you never drink a drop all your life, then you die and go to hell, why? Judgment.
Tell the truth people, read your bibles and belive in Jesus, he spoke real truth.
If I drink a little here and there then thats the lest of my problems, lol.
We all sin, drink or not, so how is all your others sins going to be forgiven?
Ok,Ok, you never drink a drop all your life, then you die and go to hell, why? Judgment.
Tell the truth people, read your bibles and belive in Jesus, he spoke real truth.
If I drink a little here and there then thats the lest of my problems, lol.
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In today's time, Witchcraft is an activity done by jobless fanatics and college kids that like role playing occult stuff. It usually involves the mixing of small animal bones, dried leaves, their hair, and other dirty materials in some cheap wooden bowl. Just like their vampire teeth that they bought from Party City, it isn't real.
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What is a witch?
H3784
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ka^shaph
kaw-shaf'
A primitive root; properly to whisper a spell, that is, to inchant or practise magic: - sorcerer, (use) witch (-craft).
A witch was a "sorcerer" (this can mean male or female). So what did a sorcerer do that was so wrong? They cast spells and while the modern type of "spell" is thought of as something spoken or read from a scroll, it was more about making potions. Things that could heal you (medicines), kill you (poisons), or alter you somehow (mind altering drugs). Even today "witch doctors" in primitive cultures make heavily mind altering things made to cleanse you or help you see new things.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
sorcerers
This word is speaking of drugs, and those who use them...perhaps those who sell them to others as well!
5332
5332 pharmakeus {far-mak-yoos'}
from pharmakon (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion);; n m
AV - sorcerer 1; 1
1) one who prepares or uses magical remedies
2) sorcerer
A "sorcerer" nowadays means a "magical wizard" or something, but in the past it was a term for drug makers and users without regard to male or female.
Thayer's
5331 pharmakeia {far-mak-i'-ah}
from 5332;; n f
AV - sorcery 2, witchcraft 1; 3
1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
Act 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
Act 8:10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
Act 8:11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
Drugs were the way this man was able to "bewitch" so many people into thinking he had magical powers to create these "magical" things.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
"witchcraft"
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G5331
pharmakeia
far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.
Medication! Not good medication but they sure enjoyed it and those they got it from!
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
This should really read this way:
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, **DRUG ABUSE**, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Note that these are "works of the flesh" meaning your body and don't drugs affect one's body (including the mind) in very strong ways?
witches were known in the past for making "brews" and "potions" in their caldrons, another way to "cook" drugs and make up "medicenes" otherwise known as drugs. Even in the late 19th century cocaine and forms of it were commonly used as "medicenes" even though they didn't actually heal you.
3784
03784 kashaph {kaw-shaf'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 1051; v
AV - sorcerers 3, witch 2, witchcraft 1; 6
1) (Piel) to practice [font color=red]witchcraft or sorcery[/font], use witchcraft
1a) sorcerer, sorceress (participle)
5331 pharmakeia {far-mak-i'-ah}
from 5332;; n f
AV - sorcery 2, witchcraft 1; 3
1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
from this word do we have "pharmacy" a place for drugs, and a pharmacy has long been a term for someone making or using any drug, even the bad addictive kinds like cocaine and etc.
witches and sorcerers and those types were the first drug pushers and users.
In the book of Enoch, which is not included in the bible so make up your own mind on it's validity, but, we read that some fallen angels were the ones who taught man how to create drugs and sorceries:
Enoch Chapter 8
1Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.
2Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.
3Amazarak taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots:
4Armers taught the solution of sorcery;
Most drugs are derived originally from plants, their roots or leaves, and barks etc etc.
H3784
?????
ka^shaph
kaw-shaf'
A primitive root; properly to whisper a spell, that is, to inchant or practise magic: - sorcerer, (use) witch (-craft).
A witch was a "sorcerer" (this can mean male or female). So what did a sorcerer do that was so wrong? They cast spells and while the modern type of "spell" is thought of as something spoken or read from a scroll, it was more about making potions. Things that could heal you (medicines), kill you (poisons), or alter you somehow (mind altering drugs). Even today "witch doctors" in primitive cultures make heavily mind altering things made to cleanse you or help you see new things.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
sorcerers
This word is speaking of drugs, and those who use them...perhaps those who sell them to others as well!
5332
5332 pharmakeus {far-mak-yoos'}
from pharmakon (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion);; n m
AV - sorcerer 1; 1
1) one who prepares or uses magical remedies
2) sorcerer
A "sorcerer" nowadays means a "magical wizard" or something, but in the past it was a term for drug makers and users without regard to male or female.
Thayer's
5331 pharmakeia {far-mak-i'-ah}
from 5332;; n f
AV - sorcery 2, witchcraft 1; 3
1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
Act 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
Act 8:10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
Act 8:11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
Drugs were the way this man was able to "bewitch" so many people into thinking he had magical powers to create these "magical" things.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
"witchcraft"
Strong's
G5331
pharmakeia
far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.
Medication! Not good medication but they sure enjoyed it and those they got it from!
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
This should really read this way:
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, **DRUG ABUSE**, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Note that these are "works of the flesh" meaning your body and don't drugs affect one's body (including the mind) in very strong ways?
witches were known in the past for making "brews" and "potions" in their caldrons, another way to "cook" drugs and make up "medicenes" otherwise known as drugs. Even in the late 19th century cocaine and forms of it were commonly used as "medicenes" even though they didn't actually heal you.
3784
03784 kashaph {kaw-shaf'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 1051; v
AV - sorcerers 3, witch 2, witchcraft 1; 6
1) (Piel) to practice [font color=red]witchcraft or sorcery[/font], use witchcraft
1a) sorcerer, sorceress (participle)
5331 pharmakeia {far-mak-i'-ah}
from 5332;; n f
AV - sorcery 2, witchcraft 1; 3
1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
from this word do we have "pharmacy" a place for drugs, and a pharmacy has long been a term for someone making or using any drug, even the bad addictive kinds like cocaine and etc.
witches and sorcerers and those types were the first drug pushers and users.
In the book of Enoch, which is not included in the bible so make up your own mind on it's validity, but, we read that some fallen angels were the ones who taught man how to create drugs and sorceries:
Enoch Chapter 8
1Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.
2Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.
3Amazarak taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots:
4Armers taught the solution of sorcery;
Most drugs are derived originally from plants, their roots or leaves, and barks etc etc.
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Jesus drank wine but was not a drunkard. Wine is used during the Lord's Supper and our remembrance of that Supper called the Eucharist or Communion. The wine was real wine as Paul wrote about certain people who were getting drunk off the wine in 1 Cor.11:17-34.
Some people claim it was only grape juice they drank, but you can't get drunk on grape juice.
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Sorcery was and is much more then that so I only agree with you in part. I could provide a very accurate description of sorcery but that might end up getting me in trouble with forum moderators for flaming. Spell casting can be done through drugs like marijuana etc. This I do agree with 100%. But spells like chaos magic are casts through mind manipulation and a real sorcerer will be demonically obsessed or even possessed. But this is all I will say on the topic.
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how is pharma related to drinking booze? Witchcraft is the practice of magic or any source of supernatural power outside of God. So witchcraft, the English use of the word pharma and booze are not related.
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I love to but there are some here who are just looking for any reason to report somebody to get them banned from this forum. All I can say is that sorcery is not just a drug induced thing. Muhammad, for example, was a Gnostic sorcerer. But his sorcery was extremely demonic. Some sorcerers today cast spells through mind manipulation techniques which comes from the occult sciences and Marxism. If you have received the Holy Spirit in your life and follow Christ completely you will never fall prey to the sorcerer. The worst that will happen is that the sorcerer will confuse you but only temporarily. Though the sorcerer is someone you want to have nothing to do with because they are warped and past-repentance. I had to disown a long time friend because he became so evil due to sorcery that I no longer knew him nor wanted anything more to do with his darkness.
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You don't understand the core principal of the placebo effect at all. And no, you can't trick your mind into getting drunk on a sugar pill (unless you have mental instabilities).
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The wine at the wedding in Cana was indeed "wine" and Jesus made a pretty good batch of the stuff.
While I'm quite sure He wouldn't approve of drinking to excess - He obviously didn't have a big problem with wine in moderation.
The reason the steward at the wedding was astounded about the good wine being brought out last was because most hosts brought out the good stuff while the guests were in good shape - drinking wise - and they could appreciate the good quality fresh wine.
Later, when the guests were half in the bag as it were, the old cheap stuff was brought out and most folks would not likely notice the lack of quality.
If the supposed wine at the wedding was just fresh squeezed grape juice - the comments of the steward become pointless.
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Nowhere in the Bible are alcoholic drinks called "pharmakeia".
There are even directions for beer offerings in the OT.
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If you read the Bible, you know that Jesus Christ drank wine, just like everyone else of that time and place. And not only drank it, but changed it into His own blood, and commanded the first priests of His Church to continue doing so. There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol, but, like so many other things, there is harm in abusing it.
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