4 year old shoots pregnant mother in head.

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Great! The reality of the situation is that there are currently millions of guns in my country. So unless you have a brilliant plan to get those guns out of the picture, you have no solution. I learned very quickly in the military that if you complain about a problem without providing a solution, you are doing nothing but whining.


Common sense is not "making the stats work for U", it is speaking about reality over fantasy. It would be wonderful if we could wave a magic wand and make all guns in the US disappear. But reality says that isn't going to happen. Repealing the 2nd amendment will not magically make the guns disappear. The problem is not the guns, it is that there are guns in the hands of irresponsible criminals. Laws are only as good as they are enforced so what is the proposes solution to enforcing the gun ban and removing guns from the hands of criminals and locating the millions of unregistered guns currently in possession by criminals? Reality also says that a firearm is far superior to self defense and home defense than any knife or sword. I don't care if you are the next Bruce Lee, you will lose in a gunfight. As long as there are criminals in this country who are armed with the intent to do me and my family harm, myself and millions of other responsible gun owners will die before they are left unarmed and unable to protect their families.
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Great! So why don't you worry about Australia and let me worry about the United State mate. Because one thing is clear, you are clearly ignorant of the reality of the issues centered around gun control and how to fix them. Nor does it appear that you have any concern about solutions, just to complain about them.

Now back to the OP. It is a tragedy that the mother was killed. But lets not be fooled to thinking that the major issue is a lack of gun control. The mother died because of her irresponsibility...period. To blame the "evil guns" is nothing more than a scapegoat to complain about a gun problem that many non-Americans know nothing about. The mother's death was her own fault hopefully people can learn from her mistake and take steps to better secure their weapons and keep them out of the hands of children. Or, we can continue to merely complain about the rights of another country.
Scenario One: 4yo Child finds a knife in the house and stabs mum - mum goes wat the hell - where'd you get that - You hurt mummy - Dont play with knives, you understand?

Scenario Two: Child picks up a gun which can be freely bought pretty much anywhere. Blows mums brains out

Which scenario are we liking the best?

Now if you really were serious about solutions - then you do what any business or project management process does - You benchmark - why don't you try that and ease off on subjective comments. Theres lots of countries who have great success when it comes to the reduction of gun violence. learn from them - Or not - up to you guys - Good luck
 
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Scenario One: 4yo Child finds a knife in the house and stabs mum - mum goes wat the hell - where'd you get that - You hurt mummy - Dont play with knives, you understand?

Scenario Two: Child picks up a gun which can be freely bought pretty much anywhere. Blows mums brains out

Which scenario are we liking the best?

Now if you really were serious about solutions - then you do what any business or project management process does - You benchmark - why don't you try that and ease off on subjective comments. Theres lots of countries who have great success when it comes to the reduction of gun violence. learn from them - Or not - up to you guys - Good luck

Or scenario 3 where you walk into the room and see your dead child laying in a pool of their own blood. But that is not the point. The point is there is absolutely no justifiable reason a 4 year old ever should have had a loaded gun in their hands. It is purely the mother's fault and I am not giving up my rights because of irresponsible parents.

Secondly, you are darn right I will blow the head off of one of my countrymen's shoulders if it would save the lives of those I love and I will do it without any regrets.

Now, since you have absolutely nothing left to contribute I think we are finished.
 
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Or scenario 3 where you walk into the room and see your dead child laying in a pool of their own blood. But that is not the point. The point is there is absolutely no justifiable reason a 4 year old ever should have had a loaded gun in their hands. It is purely the mother's fault and I am not giving up my rights because of irresponsible parents.

Secondly, you are darn right I will blow one of my countrymen's head clean off his or her shoulders if it would save the lives of those I love and I will do it without any regrets.

Now, since you have absolutely nothing left to contribute I think we are finished.
A solution that might appeal to you would be to take your gun and go shoot every parent you deemed irresponsible. Problem solved!
 
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A solution that might appeal to you would be to take your gun and go shoot every parent you deemed irresponsible. Problem solved!
I admit to being sarcastic although I am quite certain that you would never contemplate doing such a thing. I always get the impression that gun crazy America believes the solution to their gun problem is more guns. It's like saying you can cure an alcoholic by giving him more booze!
 
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Its sad, that a 4 year old will have to live with the fact, that he killed her mother. Because of neglect. I'm sure it will haunt him for the rest of his life.
 
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I admit to being sarcastic although I am quite certain that you would never contemplate doing such a thing. I always get the impression that gun crazy America believes the solution to their gun problem is more guns. It's like saying you can cure an alcoholic by giving him more booze!
No, that is an inaccurate comparison. When you give alcohol to an alcoholic, he can get sick and die. When you give guns to a law-abiding gun owner, nothing happens. He just possesses a gun. Only if you give guns to a homicidal maniac, does bad stuff happen. Your comparison suggests all gun owners are homicidal maniacs. We already have laws that cover that.
 
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We ought to do what japan did . nobody can own guns and they tack a lot of extra time on to your sentence if you commit a crime with one
neither should anyone be able to go swimming or to own a car or a knife or a hammer or a ladder. death comes by means of many things. lets get rid of electricity too.
 
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Scenario One: 4yo Child finds a knife in the house and stabs mum - mum goes wat the hell - where'd you get that - You hurt mummy - Dont play with knives, you understand?

Scenario Two: Child picks up a gun which can be freely bought pretty much anywhere. Blows mums brains out

Which scenario are we liking the best?

Now if you really were serious about solutions - then you do what any business or project management process does - You benchmark - why don't you try that and ease off on subjective comments. Theres lots of countries who have great success when it comes to the reduction of gun violence. learn from them - Or not - up to you guys - Good luck
do you mean they take away guns or have strict loops one must jump through in order to possess one?
 
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No, that is an inaccurate comparison. When you give alcohol to an alcoholic, he can get sick and die. When you give guns to a law-abiding gun owner, nothing happens. He just possesses a gun. Only if you give guns to a homicidal maniac, does bad stuff happen. Your comparison suggests all gun owners are homicidal maniacs. We already have laws that cover that.
I never said that all gun owners are homicidal maniacs. As you said, give alcoholics more alcohol and they can end up dead. Give people more guns, and more people can end up dead.
 
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I never said that all gun owners are homicidal maniacs. As you said, give alcoholics more alcohol and they can end up dead. Give people more guns, and more people can end up dead.
No, that was not the comparison you made. You said this: It's like saying you can cure an alcoholic by giving him more booze!

Now you are attempting to modify it. And you are wrong. Give more law-abiding citizens as many guns as you want. It will have no effect. They know what to do, and how to lock them up. It's everyone else you need to worry about. The ones who don't obey laws anyway.
 
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No, that was not the comparison you made. You said this: It's like saying you can cure an alcoholic by giving him more booze!

Now you are attempting to modify it. And you are wrong. Give more law-abiding citizens as many guns as you want. It will have no effect. They know what to do, and how to lock them up. It's everyone else you need to worry about. The ones who don't obey laws anyway.
Yes, that was what I said. You don't appear to understand so I'll phrase things another way. Trying to cure the gun problem by introducing more guns makes as much sense as trying to cure an alcoholic's problem by giving him more alcohol.
I haven't modified anything. I may have expressed it differently, but the meaning of what I said has not changed in any way.
A couple of questions for you. What kind of society do you think you live in where there are more guns than people? Why do you feel it so necessary to have a gun? I realize that you have the Second Amendment, but it's not the second commandment it can be changed. How many mall shootings, how many school shootings, how many drive by shootings, how many murders by guns will it take before someone realizes the terrible slaughter of its citizens has to stop?
Perhaps you don't think you have a gun problem, but from where I am looking it sure seems that you have.
 
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Yes, that was what I said. You don't appear to understand so I'll phrase things another way. Trying to cure the gun problem by introducing more guns makes as much sense as trying to cure an alcoholic's problem by giving him more alcohol.
I haven't modified anything. I may have expressed it differently, but the meaning of what I said has not changed in any way.
A couple of questions for you. What kind of society do you think you live in where there are more guns than people? Why do you feel it so necessary to have a gun? I realize that you have the Second Amendment, but it's not the second commandment it can be changed. How many mall shootings, how many school shootings, how many drive by shootings, how many murders by guns will it take before someone realizes the terrible slaughter of its citizens has to stop?
Perhaps you don't think you have a gun problem, but from where I am looking it sure seems that you have.
*I* don't have a gun problem at all. Not in the least.

There are crazies who get guns from various sources - often unlocked ones in their own house because the owner didn't lock them up - and threaten or shoot people. These young men
are almost always are on some kind of psychiatric drug. That's the combination to beware in terms of mass shootings.
 
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IF you choose to keep a loaded weapon in your bedroom, you as the PARENT are responsible for

1) Keeping the child out of the bedroom

2) Educating them on what a firearm is and how dangerous they are (teaching proper gun safety)

3) Disciplining your child to ensure they do not disobey and mishandle a firearm

This horrible tragedy could have been avoided entirely. What we SHOULDNT do is take this tragedy and politicize it into removing rights from perfectly law abiding people who are doing the 3 above points and reducing greatly, if not eliminating, the risks of mortal accidents such as this. The fact people are getting on board proves that there is zero narrative within collective society that holds parents responsible for their children's actions, not just in, but especially in these terrible circumstances.
 
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Scenario One: 4yo Child finds a knife in the house and stabs mum - mum goes wat the hell - where'd you get that - You hurt mummy - Dont play with knives, you understand?

Scenario Two: Child picks up a gun which can be freely bought pretty much anywhere. Blows mums brains out
Uhhhh, that is a false equivalence as not all gun shots results in death, and you certainly can kill someone by stabbing them and letting them bleed to death.
 
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Uhhhh, that is a false equivalence as not all gun shots results in death, and you certainly can kill someone by stabbing them and letting them bleed to death.
Dont be ridiculous. The kid DID kill the mother. Are you telling me a 4-year-old would be able to stab her mother to death. Gosh, I have heard some insane arguments supporting guns but this takes the cake.
 
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*I* don't have a gun problem at all. Not in the least.

There are crazies who get guns from various sources - often unlocked ones in their own house because the owner didn't lock them up - and threaten or shoot people. These young men
are almost always are on some kind of psychiatric drug. That's the combination to beware in terms of mass shootings.
I think you do have a problem. Why do you feel the necessity to have something that is designed to kill? What kind of society do you live in where so many people feel the need to keep guns in their homes?
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, America had almost 40,000 gun deaths in 2017. There must be a lot of people on psychiatric drugs!
I live in Northern Ireland and experienced 30 years of civil unrest. In those 30 years almost 4000 people were killed due to that civil unrest. That number consisted of civilians, security forces and terrorists. In one year in America, four times that number were killed.
America has a gun problem and whether you believe it or not, you are part of that problem.
 
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Uhhhh, that is a false equivalence as not all gun shots results in death, and you certainly can kill someone by stabbing them and letting them bleed to death.
But a toddler couldn't stab the mother to death. She would be able to take the knife away.
 
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Dont be ridiculous. The kid DID kill the mother.
You are the one who is initially talking about hypothetical scenarios here. I am merely pointing out that your hypothetical scenarios is a false equivalence, which is no way shape or form is stating that the kid didn't kill the mother.

Are you telling me a 4-year-old would be able to stab her mother to death.
No, that she could have died from the neglected blood loss from the stab not the stabbings themselves. Good grief. It quite clear that you didn't read my post carefully, and jump to conclusions due to being emotionally charge.
Gosh, I have heard some insane arguments supporting guns but this takes the cake.
How in earth name is pointing your false equivalence out equates to supporting guns? It quite clear that you are the one who is being ridiculous and not I.

But a toddler couldn't stab the mother to death.
See above.
 
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