Which political party is more consistent with scriptural teaching?

Which political party is more consistent with scriptural teaching?

  • The Republican Party

  • The Democratic Party


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Getting back to the OP, the Republican party does not support:
1. Killing babies.
2. Killing full term babies.
3. Killing babies after birth.

Just to name one thing.

And yet, when the republicans had control of the government, what did they do to stop abortion?

Yep. Nothing.
 
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It book America 188 years to finally live up to its ideals of freedom, liberty and justice for all and live up to its own declaration that all men are created equal when it concerned minorities.

"Our nation was born in genocide when it embraced the doctrine that the original American, the Indian, was an inferior race. Even before there were large numbers of Negroes on our shores, the scar of racial hatred had already disfigured colonial society. From the sixteenth century forward, blood flowed in battles of racial supremacy. We are perhaps the only nation which tried as a matter of national policy to wipe out its Indigenous population. Moreover, we elevated that tragic experience into a noble crusade. Indeed, even today we have not permitted ourselves to reject or feel remorse for this shameful episode. Our literature, our films, our drama, our folklore all exalt it." - MLK, Jr.

Speaking of the "Founding Fathers," here's what some of them thought of Native Americans.

“If it be the design of Providence to extirpate these Savages in order to make room for cultivators of the Earth, it seems not improbable that rum may be the appointed means.” - Benjamin Franklin

“This unfortunate race, whom we had been taking so much pains to save and to civilize, have by their unexpected desertion and ferocious barbarities justified extermination and now await our decision on their fate.” - Thomas Jefferson

“The immediate objectives are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements and the capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops in the ground and prevent their planting more.” - George Washington

“The hunter or savage state requires a greater extent of territory to sustain it, than is compatible with the progress and just claims of civilized life, and must yield to it. Nothing is more certain, than, if the Indian tribes do not abandon that state, and become civilized, that they will decline, and become extinct. The hunter state, tho maintain’d by warlike spirits, presents but a feeble resistance to the more dense, compact, and powerful population of civilized man.” - James Monroe

Source: Nice Day for a Genocide: Shocking Quotes on Indians By US Leaders, Pt 1

Also see: Nice Day for a Genocide: Shocking Quotes on Indians by U.S. Leaders, Pt. 2

If only the United States government had given such a sincere apology to Native Americans.

"Many of us, me particularly, are from the units that have hurt you over the many years. We came. We fought you. We took your land. We signed treaties that we broke. We stole minerals from your sacred hills. We blasted the faces of our presidents onto your sacred mountain. When we took still more land and then we took your children and then we tried to make your language and we tried to eliminate your language that God gave you, and the Creator gave you. We didn’t respect you, we polluted your Earth, we’ve hurt you in so many ways but we’ve come to say that we are sorry. We are at your service and we beg for your forgiveness." - Wes Clark Jr.

Forgiveness Ceremony Unites Veterans And Natives At Standing Rock Casino

"We beg for your forgiveness": Veterans join Native elders in celebration ceremony

Watch Standing Rock Tribes Cheer As Vets Apologize On Behalf Of U.S. Government

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Oddly the left often uses the plight of American indians, to what show the horrors of 'illegal immigration' ? The breakdown of logic among many left amazes.
Isn't this an argument for border security???

Secondly it implies 'this is my land not yours'. Yet leftists are arguing for open borders and the elimination of property rights???

I'm sure that American originals would have reeeealy wished they had immigration control, border security, scrutiny, a wall and land owner rights prior to 1492.

To believe that no one would have ever found this continent is nuts. Eventually some other countries, maybe not Europeans would have discovered this, what if it was the Chinese, Japanese, African, Egyptian, Arabian, or other people who discovered this continent - the left implies that 'anyone else' but the Europeans would have peacefully left the American indians alone - that assumes that 'only' Europeans are sinful and hateful, and 'only' the Dutch, British, and Spanish are capable of evil - that is unbiblical - all men are sinners. To believe otherwise 'is' racism. Its culture. But 'all men' fall into temptation, that is biblical (maybe those actually from India would have left them alone...)

You can apologize, If your guilty, do so. But for me and my cousins it seems odd, that would be like my inner indian apologizing to my inner Italian. Or like my Italian immigrant grandpa apologizing to my Indian grandmother - they fell in love and married each other instead. My grandpa never harmed or injured another person, certainly not any American natives, neither have I.
 
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The hate for Trump surpasses any hate ever for any president we have ever had.
...sorry? you know, that isn't even sort true right? Nor will repeating it over and over again make it true. You do remember they shot two other President's in the head, right? I'm thinking this President and his bases tendency to be so...sensitive, is pretty amazing considering how much time their candidate spent talking about the last President not even being an American and complaining about how much golf President Obama played. :sorry:
tulc(plus the fact that Democrats took it for 8 years while Republicans are crying after just two years is sort of...ironic) :tantrum:
 
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Getting back to the OP, the Republican party does not support:
1. Killing babies.
2. Killing full term babies.
3. Killing babies after birth.

Just to name one thing.

Not everyone in the Republican party is as adamant on abortion.

Tenn. GOP congressman's ex-wife had 2 abortions

A Republican theme on abortions: 'It's OK for me, evil for thee'

Do As I Say Not As I Do: The Truth About the Anti-Abortion Crowd

Conservative Pennsylvania Congressman Resigns Amid Abortion Scandal

Republicans Are Against Abortions For Women Who Aren’t Their Mistresses

Let me guess... all of these Republicans aren't 'true conservatives'?

Donald Trump even uses the abortion issue to his political advantage.

Donald Trump's 3 positions on abortion in 3 hours

Trump 'asked Marla Maples to abort Tiffany' | Daily Mail

Donald Trump took 5 different positions on abortion in 3 days
 
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Doesn't come close to the hate we've seen for Barack Obama or Bill Clinton.

The same conservatives who now support and defend Donald Trump once condemned Bill Clinton for his own sexual deviant behavior and sexual scandals when he was still the President. We both know that these same conservatives never would have referred to Bill Clinton's adulterous philandering as 'locker room banter' or 'macho talk' and we know they never said "Don't judge the President!" either.

Trump-Loving Christians Owe Bill Clinton an Apology

Evangelicals slammed Bill Clinton's sexual misconduct. So why does Trump get a pass?

James Dobson:

James Dobson condemning Bill Clinton in 1998: "Character does matter. You can't run a family, let alone a country without it. How foolish to believe that a person who lacks honesty and moral integrity is qualified to lead a nation and the world."

Source: What James Dobson Said in 1998 About Moral Character and the Presidency

James Dobson endorsing Trump in 2016: "I’m not under any illusions that he is an outstanding moral example. It’s a cliché but true: We are electing a commander-in-chief, not a theologian-in-chief.”

Source: I’m an evangelical. The religious right leaders who support Trump don’t speak for me.

Franklin Graham:

Franklin Graham condemning Bill Clinton in 1998: "Bill Clinton's months-long extramarital sexual behavior in the Oval Office now concerns him and the rest of the world, not just his immediate family. If he will lie to or mislead his wife and daughter, those with whom he is most intimate, what will prevent him from doing the same to the American public?"

Source: What Franklin Graham Said About the “Private Sins” of Bill Clinton in 1998

Franklin Graham defending Donald Trump in 2018: “I think some of these things — that’s for him and his wife to deal with. I think when the country went after President Clinton, the Republicans, that was a great mistake that should never have happened. And I think the same with Stormy Daniels and so forth is nobody’s business. And we’ve got other business at hand that we need to deal with.”

Source: Evangelist Franklin Graham Says Donald Trump's Alleged Affair Is 'Nobody's Business'

Pat Robertson:


Pat Robertson Calls for Clinton's Impeachment

Standing by Donald Trump, Pat Robertson calls lewd video ‘macho talk’

Jerry Farwell, Jr.

Watch: Jerry Falwell Jr. goes after Clinton at Republican National Convention

Evangelical Jerry Falwell Jr. defends Trump: Jesus “never told Caesar how to run Rome”
 
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...sorry? you know, that isn't even sort true right? Nor will repeating it over and over again make it true. You do remember they shot two other President's in the head, right? I'm thinking this President and his bases tendency to be so...sensitive, is pretty amazing considering how much time their candidate spent talking about the last President not even being an American and complaining about how much golf President Obama played. :sorry:
tulc(plus the fact that Democrats took it for 8 years while Republicans are crying after just two years is sort of...ironic) :tantrum:
Lincoln yes there was widespread hate. John (and Edward) Kennedy, I don't recall the hate, ever being as it is now. I disagreed with Obamas policies, it was not hate. My parents tell me there was great surprise that anyone would want to hurt or kill kennedy, although they disagreed with him (over the war that is).

(If your trying to make a logical point, Just because John Lennon was shot does not mean there was wide spread hate for him)
 
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Lincoln yes there was widespread hate. John (and Edward) Kennedy, I don't recall the hate, ever being as it is now. I disagreed with Obamas policies, it was not hate. My parents tell me there was great surprise that anyone would want to hurt or kill kennedy, although they disagreed with him (over the war that is).

I remember hearing crazed hatred for Clinton and for Obama. The viciousness of those people was unlike anything before or since.

The dark depths of hatred for Hillary Clinton
...In one video, addressing Clinton and her "diehard feminist Nazi fans", Longworth describes her "disgust" at having to listen to "that painful scratching noise that you like to call intelligence spew from your mouth like typical Clinton diarrhoea".
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Some wear T-shirts saying "Trump that ****", and there are those who describe Clinton as "the servant of Satan" or use hashtags such as #Killary on social media.
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"She's a creep, she's a witch, she's turned over to evil," Jones said, referring to Clinton, in a special broadcast during the Democratic Party convention.
 
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Lincoln yes there was widespread hate. John (and Edward) Kennedy, I don't recall the hate, ever being as it is now. (snip)
uhmmm...you must have been sleeping during President Obama's administration then. Do I need to point out that the Republicans elected President Trump, who was the face of the birther movement? President Obama was so hated by the American Evangelicals they threw every single "moral belief" they claimed to have right under the bus in order to support someone who literally was everything they always claimed was wrong with America. So, you can all wring your hands as much as you like and protest "No one's ever been hated as much as this President is!" until you've totally convinced yourselves of it. But the rest of us are just going to laugh right out loud ever single time that claim is made. ;)

I disagreed with Obamas policies, it was not hate.
Welcome to my world. I don't hate President Trump. Why should I? He's the best thing that's happened for the Democrats in years. Him, his twitter account and his inability to be anything except a d-list reality tv show host serial adulterer. :wave:

My parents tell me there was great surprise that anyone would want to hurt or kill kennedy, although they disagreed with him (over the war that is).
Really? because I remember people in Indiana cheering when they heard he was shot and killed. (and yes, I'm literally that old) :sorry:

(If your trying to make a logical point, Just because John Lennon was shot does not mean there was wide spread hate for him)
My point would be: disagreeing with President Trump (even loudly) isn't "hating him".
tulc("no president has ever been hated like President Trump!" still not true, no matter how often the claim is made) ;)
 
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The Republican party has never put up a bill in any state to kill babies and especially late term or just after birth. Paint it however you like but the Republican Party as a whole has never done this. The Democrats supporting killing a full term baby own this.
 
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In answer to the OP, the Republican party is by far more consistent with scripture teachings. What does the scriptures say about hate, rampant hate, constant hate. Humm

What I don't understand is why some Republican Christians think they have a moral right to point a judgmental finger at liberals for supposedly being hateful when they support Donald Trump.

Trump's most notable insults

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The New York Times used 2 full pages to print all of Donald Trump's insults from the campaign

Trump's documented history of insulting people he doesn't like:

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Trump Is on Track to Insult 650 People, Places and Things on Twitter by the End of His First Term

Trump's documented history of insulting women:


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A running list of all the worst things Donald Trump has said about women. It’s long.

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It's also ironic to listen to Republican Christians ranting on about liberal politicians who are caught lying and pointing a judgmental finger at said politicians when they support Donald Trump.

All False statements involving Donald Trump

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President Trump made 8,158 false or misleading claims in his first two years

Republican Christians who support Trump have no moral right or moral standing to point a judgmental finger at any liberal politician for any kind of sinful behavior. Any attempt to pretend to be morally indignant about a liberal politician for immoral behavior and to point a judgmental finger at said liberal politician could be seen as blatant hypocrisy on the part of the right wing Christian Trump supporter.
 
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I believe that Jesus would be identified as a Left-Libertarian or Social-Anarchist based on His teachings, opinion of the ruling classes, non-participation in politics, care for the poor, down trodden, and forgotten. Then I consider the practices of the Apostles who walked with Him. They formed radically independent private communal communities (churches), that believed in teaching, sharing all possessions, equality, and care for the poor, widows, and orphans.

Based on this, Jesus would more likely identify with the egalitarianism and social concern of the left, while being suspicious of their statism and corporatism, and would condemn them regarding their support for abortion and gay marriage.

Jesus would no doubt condemn the right for their nationalism, pride, racism, greed, aggregated wealth, and willingness to deny the poor, elderly, sick, minorities, workers, and aliens any public support or provision. He would also condemn their public religious grandstanding and moralist chest beating, with which they gain support for policies of war, brazen corporatism, and oppression.

Jesus would be forming private, self-governing, independent, pacifist, communities, wherein members lived together, studied Scripture, shared their lives and all possessions, cared for one another's needs, and strive to be radically separate from the government and religious institutions.

The government would call them, "communes". Religious institutions would call them "cults".

Jesus would call them, "churches".

God knows that most institutional churches would condemn Him, arguing that He was forming cults. I can see these communities believing in the following as it relates to their politics:


- Believe that all human governments are coercive and under the authority of Satan.
- Believe that the Christian is a sovereign citizen of The Kingdom of God.
- Oppose church incorporation or entanglement with the state.
- Oppose state minister's licensing.
- Oppose state marriage licensing and "civil marriage".
- Oppose voting.
- Oppose all forms of state coercion.
- Oppose war and violence.
- Oppose taking oaths and testifying in court.
- Oppose partisan politics in the church in that they are divisive.
- Oppose the notion that earthly civil governments can be "Christianized".
- Tolerate and abide by civil laws in a given society that are based on safety and the common good.
- Oppose civil laws that violate faith in Christ, Christian practice, and Christian conviction through peaceful non-compliance.
- Oppose violent revolution.
- Oppose pledging allegiance to any flag, icon, or earthly nation state.
- Oppose institutionalized discrimination in all forms.
- Oppose institutionalized church hierarchy.
- Radically affirm the separation of church and state.
- Prefer to meet in small groups like house churches and support house church networks.
- Believe that the core of Christian teaching is loving God and loving one's neighbor.
- Believe that marriage and family should be "self-governing" and unentangled with the state or the courts of the unbelievers.
- Advocate for private home schooling and Christian educational/vocational cooperatives.
- Believe that intentional community is the manifest spiritual Kingdom of God.
- Believe in sharing their lives, possessions, and resources for the common good of their Christian community.
- Believe in creation care and living in harmony with nature.
- Believe in divine healing and promote methods of natural healing through natural medicines, herbal remedies, and diet.
- Believe in voluntaryism, mutualism, and the non-aggression principle in all human associations.​

In short, these Christians would seek to minimize, or eliminate, any entanglements with all earthly states or governments. Each Christian would be challenged to wage this "one person revolution" against this worldly system in order that they might experience the fullness of the Kingdom of God in their daily lives.

They would certainly be seen as a threat by most civil governments and institutional religious bodies.
 
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This question is like asking who is more consistent with biblical teaching, Nero or Caligula. lol

That's very true because the right wing and the left wing are part of the same bird and they are both foul. The truth is, both of these political parties are morally corrupt and politically corrupt to the core and neither party is more moral than the other. The inner corruption of these parties was very evident in the final nominee they chose to represent their party during the last presidential election. It was obvious that neither party, despite the show of virtue signaling, cared about the moral character of the President. If they had actually cared than neither Trump or Clinton would have been chosen.

It's ironic how there are conservative Christian Trump supporters who like to point a judgmental finger and act all pompous as if they are morally superior to Democrats, but they are not. It was these Christians who voted for a twice divorced admitted adulterous philander, who is in his third marriage to his former mistress and who had an affair with a inappropriate content star. He bragged about groping multiple women and his devout evangelical supporters called his sexual deviant bragging 'locker room banter,' and insisted that he shouldn't be judged for his sins. They have defended him for the last two years.

The hypocrisy of it all is that these same evangelicals spent the last few years publicly condemning former President Bill Clinton for his sexual deviant behavior and sexual scandals. They never once called his sexual deviant behavior and adulterous philandering 'locker room banter' or ever insisted that we shouldn't judge him for his sins. They never once defended his immoral behavior.

And now here are these Christians insisting in this thread that the Republican party aligns more with scriptural teaching than the Democratic party does and yet these Christians support and defend Donald Trump, who is the complete opposite of the Christian values and morality they go on about.

It's no wonder that Christian Trump supporters have completely lost their credibility to preach against sin or to even talk about morality in the first place. I can't possibly take their moral posturing or even their Christian witness seriously anymore. As far as I'm concerned, they are just virtue signaling when they point a judgmental finger at liberals and pretend they are morally better than liberals are.
 
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That's very true because the right wing and the left wing are part of the same bird and they are both foul. The truth is, both of these political parties are morally corrupt and politically corrupt to the core and neither party is more moral than the other. The inner corruption of these parties was very evident in the final nominee they chose to represent their party during the last presidential election. It was obvious that neither party, despite the show of virtue signaling, cared about the moral character of the President. If they had actually cared than neither Trump or Clinton would have been chosen.

It's ironic how there are conservative Christian Trump supporters who like to point a judgmental finger and act all pompous as if they are morally superior to Democrats, but they are not. It was these Christians who voted for a twice divorced admitted adulterous philander, who is in his third marriage to his former mistress and who had an affair with a inappropriate content star. He bragged about groping multiple women and his devout evangelical supporters called his sexual deviant bragging 'locker room banter,' and insisted that he shouldn't be judged for his sins. They have defended him for the last two years.

The hypocrisy of it all is that these same evangelicals spent the last few years publicly condemning former President Bill Clinton for his sexual deviant behavior and sexual scandals. They never once called his sexual deviant behavior and adulterous philandering 'locker room banter' or ever insisted that we shouldn't judge him for his sins. They never once defended his immoral behavior.

And now here are these Christians insisting in this thread that the Republican party aligns more with scriptural teaching than the Democratic party does and yet these Christians support and defend Donald Trump, who is the complete opposite of the Christian values and morality they go on about.

It's no wonder that Christian Trump supporters have completely lost their credibility to preach against sin or to even talk about morality in the first place. I can't possibly take their moral posturing or even their Christian witness seriously anymore. As far as I'm concerned, they are just virtue signaling when they point a judgmental finger at liberals and pretend they are morally better than liberals are.

Excellent points Shiloh.

This is why I'm feeling that getting so wrapped up in this world's politics is bad for the body of Christ. It brings compromise, hypocrisy, and division.

I'm increasingly feeling my convictions leaning towards what is theologically known as, Christian Anarchism. As defined by Wikipedia...

Christian anarchism is a movement in political theology that claims anarchism is inherent in Christianity and the Gospels. It is grounded in the belief that there is only one source of authority to which Christians are ultimately answerable—the authority of God as embodied in the teachings of Jesus. It therefore rejects the idea that human governments have ultimate authority over human societies. Christian anarchists denounce the state, believing it is violent, deceitful and, when glorified, idolatrous. Christian anarchists hold that the "Reign of God" is the proper expression of the relationship between God and humanity. Under the "Reign of God", human relationships would be characterized by divided authority, servant leadership, and universal compassion—not by the hierarchical, authoritarian structures that are normally attributed to religious social order. Most Christian anarchists are pacifists—they reject war and the use of violence.
More than any other Bible source, the
Sermon on the Mount is used as the basis for Christian anarchism. Leo Tolstoy's The Kingdom of God Is Within You is often regarded as a key text for modern Christian anarchism.
 
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In answer to the OP, the Republican party is by far more consistent with scripture teachings. What does the scriptures say about hate, rampant hate, constant hate. Humm
Luke 14: 26 said:
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
tulc(hopes that helps) :wave:
 
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Christian anarchism is a movement in political theology that claims anarchism is inherent in Christianity and the Gospels. It is grounded in the belief that there is only one source of authority to which Christians are ultimately answerable—the authority of God as embodied in the teachings of Jesus. It therefore rejects the idea that human governments have ultimate authority over human societies. Christian anarchists denounce the state, believing it is violent, deceitful and, when glorified, idolatrous. Christian anarchists hold that the "Reign of God" is the proper expression of the relationship between God and humanity. Under the "Reign of God", human relationships would be characterized by divided authority, servant leadership, and universal compassion—not by the hierarchical, authoritarian structures that are normally attributed to religious social order. Most Christian anarchists are pacifists—they reject war and the use of violence.
More than any other Bible source...
We only have one model for Christian Govt since Christianity is essentially the antithesis of politics - other than morals and diplomacy - our principal ideal is to govern our 'own' behavior in relation to God. The Mosaic Law lays out the tribal law with judges, and the Law serves as our 'example' but it is not our law, or our Govt.
Just as the Hebrew Law was specifically for the Hebrew, the Christian ideals are for the 'believer' only because 'we' are 'governed' by the Holy Spirit. Nothing in scripture implies we are to impose our 'laws' on the world around us.

It would be one thing if we want to setup a commune and establish our own theocracy (and we can see that this has been tryed, see Rome, Vatican, Amish, etc) but we cannot assume we will ever live in a community where 100% of everyone is a believer. And then you would have to assume every believer agrees and believes just as you or I do. And that all in your commune are trustworthy. So this is not possible till Jesus returns.

The founding fathers knew this, they write about this very problem, and so their solution was to secure a Govt that secured the freedom and liberty for self governing. The inevitable tyrannical big Govt should not have ultimate control over the rights of individual citizens and their independent states and communitys.

Well that 'was' the idea. Hence the original importance of our Constitution, that it was written to ensure the 'freedom' to self govern. The Construction is not so much a law but order, or an ideal. All laws take away freedoms - that is the freedom the believer has, we are not under the Law. Yet to form a more perfect society - we have to submit to an agreement of some sort in order to work together as a society, believers with non believers and all those in between.
 
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Well that 'was' the idea. Hence the original importance of our Constitution, that it was written to ensure the 'freedom' to self govern. The Construction is not so much a law but order, or an ideal. All laws take away freedoms - that is the freedom the believer has, we are not under the Law. Yet to form a more perfect society - we have to submit to an agreement of some sort in order to work together as a society, believers with non believers and all those in between.

The Constitution is a series of laws, and yes, it does prohibit people from doing things. The key is, it mostly prohibits government from doing things to the governed.

Well done, Founders.
 
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