Seven Trumpets and Seven Bowls

Just The Facts said:

Hello all

Let's look at the seven trumpets and the seven bowls


7: The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8: And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9: And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10: And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11: And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

First we are told that a third of the trees on the earth are burned and all the green grass then the water is turned to poison and many die from the bad water.

Now

Revelation 16:2: And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. 3: And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. 4: And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. 5: And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. 6: For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. 7: And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. 8: And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Here we have the same events happening. While some will quickly point out that differing amounts of the Earth and sea are affected in the two verses, their claim that this proves that they are different events, at different times, does not hold up when we look at the rest of the verses in both sections. We continue with

Rev 8:8: And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9: And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Now

Rev 16:3: And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Well here once again the same event Angel acts sea is turned into blood. While some say one say 1/3 of living creatures the other says every……… BUT WAIT…… it says every living soul…….. fish are not living souls all men in the sea at this third Trumpet /bowl will die and 1/3 of the creatures in the sea.


Onto the Fourth trumpet



Rev 8:12: And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Now Rev 16 and the Fourth Bowl

8: And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Once again the same event. How can these two events be the same you ask?

Sun spots storms cause the sun to put out less visible light but increase harmful radiation by a thousand fold. So while there is less light there is more heat (radiation). If 1/3 of the sun went sunspot storm, the effects on Earth would be absolutely devastating. Men would be scorched by the heat of the Sun. Satellite communications would be lost. Electrical grids would fail all over the world. Depending on the length of the Solar storm electricity could be out for months.

Once again this is a Heavenly view pouring on the sun to make it dark and an earthly view being burnt as a result of the sun spot storms.

On to the Fifth trumpet and Bowl

Rev 9:1: And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit 2: And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; [red]and the sun and the air were darkened[/red] by reason of the smoke of the pit.………………………………..

5: And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Now the fifth bowl

Rev 16:10: And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; a[red]nd his kingdom was full of darkness[/red]; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11: And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

This actually the beginning of Great tribulation the first four are minor tribulation God always willing to stop if Christianity will repent.. The last three are the three woes or the Great tribulation.

Back to the Trumpets.

Revelation 9:13: And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14: Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15: And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16: And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Now look at

Revelation 1612: And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

We see that in both time lines the next event is the massive army coming over the dried up Euphrates river.

Now back to

Revelation 10:7: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 11:15: And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Gods Kingdom is set up on Earth. Now

Revelation 16: 17: And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Once again God's Kingdom set up on Earth

Revelation 7 through 11 and Revelation 14 through 16 describe the same main events in the same order but tell the events from different perspectives. While Revelation 7-11 speaks from a heavenly level. Revelation 13-16 speaks on an earthly level.

So while revelation 9:10 talks of how the Fallen Angel known as the Destroyer is released on the Earth and torments men five months with war and with grievous pain that they should long for death.

Revelation 16 tells us what physical events actually happen to the people alive at this time.

This is the truth of this matter.

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mark kennedy said:

In case it might be helpful I've outlined the way the seals, trumpets and vials of wrath break down step by step:

Revelations

The Seals (S):
S-1 World Conqueror
S-2 World War
S-3 World Famine
S-4 World Plague
S-5 The Martyrs
S-6 Wrath
S-7 Silence

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mark kennedy said:

The Trumpets (T)
T-1 1/3 of the earth
T-2 1/3 of the Sea
T-3 1/3 of the fresh water
T-4 1/3 of the heavens
T-5 1st Woe: Abaddon
T-6 2nd Woe: Euphrates
T-7 3rd Woe: Kingdom comes

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mark kennedy said:

The Vials (V)
V-1 Sores on 666
V-2 Sea life dies
V-3 Water to blood
V-4 Sun Scorch
V-5 Utter darkness
V-6 Armageddon
V-7 Earthquake and hail

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Revealing Times said:

The Seals (S):
S-1 World Conqueror
S-2 World War {takes peace from the earth/SAME THING}
S-3 World Famine
S-4 World Plague {Death and the Grave from all four Horsemen including Sickness}
S-5 The Martyrs
S-6 Wrath {Sun & Moon darkens, Stars fall, the Wrath starts with the very 1st Seal/Lambs Wrath}
S-7 Silence { The 7 Trumps come out of the 7th Seal}



The Trumpets (T)
T-1 1/3 of the earth {all the Grasses}
T-2 1/3 of the Sea {and Sea Creatures/Fish/Shrimp}
T-3 1/3 of the fresh water
T-4 1/3 of the heavens {Smoke Darkens the Sun, moon and stars}
T-5 1st Woe: Abaddon
T-6 2nd Woe: Euphrates {200 Million Angelic Army of God}
T-7 3rd Woe: Kingdom comes { The 7th Trump is the 3rd Woe but it is also ALL 7 Vials combined}



The Vials (V)
V-1 Sores on 666
V-2 Sea life dies
V-3 Water to blood
V-4 Sun Scorch
V-5 Utter darkness
V-6 Armageddon
V-7 Earthquake and hail { Jesus RETURNS HERE, this ends the 3rd Woe. }

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Just The Facts said:

Hello all

Let's look at the seven trumpets and the seven bowls


7: The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8: And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9: And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10: And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11: And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

First we are told that a third of the trees on the earth are burned and all the green grass then the water is turned to poison and many die from the bad water.

Now

Revelation 16:2: And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. 3: And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. 4: And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. 5: And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. 6: For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. 7: And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. 8: And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Here we have the same events happening. While some will quickly point out that differing amounts of the Earth and sea are affected in the two verses, their claim that this proves that they are different events, at different times, does not hold up when we look at the rest of the verses in both sections. We continue with

Rev 8:8: And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9: And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Now

Rev 16:3: And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Well here once again the same event Angel acts sea is turned into blood. While some say one say 1/3 of living creatures the other says every……… BUT WAIT…… it says every living soul…….. fish are not living souls all men in the sea at this third Trumpet /bowl will die and 1/3 of the creatures in the sea.


Onto the Fourth trumpet



Rev 8:12: And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Now Rev 16 and the Fourth Bowl

8: And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Once again the same event. How can these two events be the same you ask?

Sun spots storms cause the sun to put out less visible light but increase harmful radiation by a thousand fold. So while there is less light there is more heat (radiation). If 1/3 of the sun went sunspot storm, the effects on Earth would be absolutely devastating. Men would be scorched by the heat of the Sun. Satellite communications would be lost. Electrical grids would fail all over the world. Depending on the length of the Solar storm electricity could be out for months.

Once again this is a Heavenly view pouring on the sun to make it dark and an earthly view being burnt as a result of the sun spot storms.

On to the Fifth trumpet and Bowl

Rev 9:1: And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit 2: And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; [red]and the sun and the air were darkened[/red] by reason of the smoke of the pit.………………………………..

5: And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Now the fifth bowl

Rev 16:10: And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; a[red]nd his kingdom was full of darkness[/red]; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11: And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

This actually the beginning of Great tribulation the first four are minor tribulation God always willing to stop if Christianity will repent.. The last three are the three woes or the Great tribulation.

Back to the Trumpets.

Revelation 9:13: And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14: Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15: And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16: And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Now look at

Revelation 1612: And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

We see that in both time lines the next event is the massive army coming over the dried up Euphrates river.

Now back to

Revelation 10:7: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 11:15: And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Gods Kingdom is set up on Earth. Now

Revelation 16: 17: And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Once again God's Kingdom set up on Earth

Revelation 7 through 11 and Revelation 14 through 16 describe the same main events in the same order but tell the events from different perspectives. While Revelation 7-11 speaks from a heavenly level. Revelation 13-16 speaks on an earthly level.

So while revelation 9:10 talks of how the Fallen Angel known as the Destroyer is released on the Earth and torments men five months with war and with grievous pain that they should long for death.

Revelation 16 tells us what physical events actually happen to the people alive at this time.

This is the truth of this matter.

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Revealing Times said:

The Seals (S):
S-1 World Conqueror
S-2 World War {takes peace from the earth/SAME THING}
S-3 World Famine
S-4 World Plague {Death and the Grave from all four Horsemen including Sickness}
S-5 The Martyrs
S-6 Wrath {Sun & Moon darkens, Stars fall, the Wrath starts with the very 1st Seal/Lambs Wrath}
S-7 Silence { The 7 Trumps come out of the 7th Seal}



The Trumpets (T)
T-1 1/3 of the earth {all the Grasses}
T-2 1/3 of the Sea {and Sea Creatures/Fish/Shrimp}
T-3 1/3 of the fresh water
T-4 1/3 of the heavens {Smoke Darkens the Sun, moon and stars}
T-5 1st Woe: Abaddon
T-6 2nd Woe: Euphrates {200 Million Angelic Army of God}
T-7 3rd Woe: Kingdom comes { The 7th Trump is the 3rd Woe but it is also ALL 7 Vials combined}



The Vials (V)
V-1 Sores on 666
V-2 Sea life dies
V-3 Water to blood
V-4 Sun Scorch
V-5 Utter darkness
V-6 Armageddon
V-7 Earthquake and hail { Jesus RETURNS HERE, this ends the 3rd Woe. }

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Just The Facts said:

Hello Tranquil

You are missing the fact that the Kingdom is set up at the end of each of the seven.

I didn't bother to add it but the Seven seals are also the same events.

6:[12]When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood,[13] and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale;[14] the sky vanished like a scroll that is rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.[15] Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the generals and the rich and the strong, and every one, slave and free, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains,[16] calling to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;[17] for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand before it?"

11:[15]Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever."[16] And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God,[17] saying, "We give thanks to thee, Lord God Almighty, who art and who wast,that thou hast taken thy great power and begun to reign.[18] The nations raged, but thy wrath came,and the time for the dead to be judged,for rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints,and those who fear thy name, both small and great,and for destroying the destroyers of the earth."[19]Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.

16:[17]The seventh angel poured his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple, from the throne, saying, "It is done!"[18] And there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as had never been since men were on the earth, so great was that earthquake.[19] The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered great Babylon, to make her drain the cup of the fury of his wrath.[20] And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found;[21] and great hailstones, heavy as a hundred-weight, dropped on men from heaven, till men cursed God for the plague of the hail, so fearful was that plague.

And Last but not Least

Matt24:[29]"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;[30] then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory;[31] and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

These are all the same event

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mark kennedy said:

The Seals (S):

S-1 World Conqueror
S-2 World War
S-3 World Famine
S-4 World Plague
S-5 The Martyrs
S-6 Wrath
S-7 Silence
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JohnC2 said:

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I found it more helpful to simply stick with the text.

For example - seal 4 (edit sorry, not 3) isn't specifically famine per-se, it's prices. Specific price thresholds are mentioned for wheat and barley. No more no less.

As such - The simplest way to check for opening of the 4th seal would simply be to look at when prices of wheat and barley exceeded the listed values and never went back down below them.

We can check tabulated prices over the years to determine (approximately) when this seal was opened.

The threshold value of Wheat was 1 denarius per choenix. Barley was 1 denarius per 3 choenix

96 denarius per libra (£)
Approximately 32 choenix per bushel..

Sorting it out in various old European currencies is not hard as most European currencies and commercial volumes were nominally based on the Roman system until fairly recently.... As such - their tables aren't hard to sort out if you want to do it...

There are hundreds of published tables going year by year. My research shows that these values were exceeded long, long ago. As a point, though, in the days of The Revelation - You could get more than 1 bushel of wheat for 1 denarius.

The current price of wheat today is approximately 12x the threshold value...

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mark kennedy said:

That is from the text, the white rider has a bow and a crown, Roman soldiers and calvary didn't carry bow, Median warriors did. Early on the Antichrist will take down three bigger kingdoms. The bow suggests some kind of a ballistic weapon. The red rider is self explanatory, when you have a conqueror, you have war following in it's wake. Scarcity ensure so the black rider has a scale in his hand. Should you decline the mark the city of Babylon will be built on the backs of slaves. Wheat sounds like bread, barley is something you make beer from. Touch not the oil or the wine suggests luxury items, especially Babylon, remains untouched in the subsequent judgments. The ghastly rider is just the anarchy and chaos that comes in the wake of the antichrist.

The martyrs beneath the throne are believers who died at the hands of the children of perdition. The sixth seal sounds like it's describing a nuclear exchange.

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