Who is the Woman in Revelation 12.

Just The Facts said:

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The Nation Israel BIRTHED their Messiah
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No it didn't the nation of Israel did not exist for over 700 years when Jesus was born.

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Isaiah 9:
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Who was David, king of?

John 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Mark 15:32 32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
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The woman in Revelation 12 is Israel, the Jews.

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Mark 15:2 And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto him, Thou sayest it.

Mark 15:12 And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews?

Mark 15:26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Just The Facts said:

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So everyone says they trust scripture. Lets let Scripture tell us who this woman is by the symbols we are given to describe her.

Who is the Woman in Rev 12:

Some say it is Israel, some say it is Mary some says it is the Holy Spirit. Who does Scripture say this woman really is. We need to look at what is said about her.

1: And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

She is clothed in the Sun and stands on the Moon and has a crown of 12 stars.

2: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

She is about to give Birth

5: And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

She bears a Man Child who will rule the world and who is caught up to God’s Throne.

I think everyone agrees that the Man-child is Jesus. So it is easy to see why so many say the woman is Mary. Others say no Israel brought forth Jesus not Mary. Others say it was the Holy Spirit

First, we need to see who scripture says brought forth Jesus so that we trust the Word of God not the doctrines of men.

Matt:1:20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

This verse says it is the Holy Spirit that brings forth Jesus. What else does God’s Word tell us.

Lk:1:35: And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Once Again it is the Holy Spirit that brings forth Jesus.

So we See that Scripture tells us it is the Holy Spirit that brings forth Jesus not Mary and not the Nation of Judea.

So does this mean the Holy Spirit is a WOMAN??????????? That is a very Gnostic view of the Holy Spirit. I do not believe that is what is being said. We need to remember this is all metaphoric, we need to look at who Scripture says a woman in prophetic scripture is.

12: And he said, Thou shalt no more rejoice, O thou oppressed virgin, daughter of Zidon: arise, pass over to Chittim; there also shalt thou have no rest. 13: Behold the land of the Chaldeans; this people was not, till the Assyrian founded it for them that dwell in the wilderness: they set up the towers thereof, they raised up the palaces thereof; and he brought it to ruin. 14: Howl, ye ships of Tarshish: for your strength is laid waste 15: And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be forgotten seventy years, according to the days of one king: after the end of seventy years shall Tyre sing as an harlot. 16: Take an harp, go about the city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten; make sweet melody, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered. 17: And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.

Above we see the religion of Tyre called a virgin of the Kingdom.

Jer: 46:11: Go up into Gilead, and take balm, O virgin, the daughter of Egypt: in vain shalt thou use many medicines; for thou shalt not be cured.

Once again the religion of Egypt is referred to as a Virgin a woman.

Isa:47:1: Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate. 2: Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers. 3: Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man. 4: As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel. 5: Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.

Again we see the religion of Babylon referred to as a virgin a woman. We know it is the Spirituality of Babylon it is talking about the city is only the seat of the false religious belief.

12: Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth;

The word sorceries really means prophecy that was the whole purpose of the sorceries to obtain prophecy.

13: Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators,

Jer:18:13: Therefore thus saith the LORD; Ask ye now among the heathen, who hath heard such things: the virgin of Israel hath done a very horrible thing.

Jer:31:4: Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.

Here we see the faith of Judea called the Virgin of Israel.

So what evil thing did the Virgin of Judah do?????


Jer:7:30: For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.

So here we see that the evil did by the virgin is false worship. She played the harlo

It is clear that in prophetic scripture a Woman is used to describe a religion, in modern terms a Church. It is important to understand that in ancient times religions were all based around a city and a temple. So the Virgin of Babylon is the religion of Babylon the virgin of Israel is the religion of Israel all based in a city where people would come to worship.

So lets look at the symbolism of this woman

1: And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

So lets go through these symbols one by one what is meant by clothed with the sun.


Ps:84:11: For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.

So does this mean the woman is wearing God/sun. Is there another verse to back this, is there other verses that tell us to wear God?

Eph:6:11: Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.


Eph:6:13: Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

It is clear that in Eph: Paul is directly referencing Ps:84. So this woman / church (IE: religious belief) is wearing God as Armour and a shield.

What about the moon this woman is standing on the moon. What does this mean?

Ps: 82:36: His seed shall endure forever, and his throne as the sun before me. 37: It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven.

Here we see God says the promise will be forever established as the Moon.

Put this all together and what do you get?

You get a Religion/Church clothed in the Armour of God and Standing on the Promise.

The Woman is the True Church / Faith /Religion of God gained by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. That is who brought forth the male Child. As she promised through the power of the Holy Spirit to the prophets.

See how easy it is when you let Scripture tell you what it means.

If you continue reading you will see the Dragon raises Rome the Beast of Rev 13 to hunt down and kill the woman.
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The woman is Israel (Jerusalem) who's seed bore our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. This is in contrast to the woman who rides the beast who is also Israel however apostate.

ewq1938 said:

The woman that rides the beast is the false religion of the AC and all the marked peoples will take part of her as she is Babylon which means confusion...religious confusion.

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

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Yes and that would include apostate Israel.

ewq1938 said:

Didn't the church come from Christ and his teachings? How can we say the church birthed Jesus?

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The church propagates the body of Christ through the great commission. Matthew 28:16-20

ewq1938 said:

That doesn't match what is written in Rev 12 about his birth so the woman cannot represent the church.

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Sure it does. The church operates as a collective organism. It propagates as I said before, nurtures, teaches, disicplines and mentors it’s offspring according to their maturity.

Ewq said:

That doesn't match what is written in Rev 12 about his birth so the woman cannot represent the church.

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Yes, it does. It's just that you don't understand who the woman really is, according to Scripture:

Revelation 12:1-2 KJV
[1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
[2] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Why this language of this woman with child? It is because the Christ Child was prophesied to come out of Israel (Isaiah 49:1-9) and thus the "symbolic" language that He is Born of this woman Israel. In other words, Covenant Israel gave birth to our Lord and Saviour because the Promise had to be fulfilled "as it was written". He is the Seed of this woman who was prophesied to come. From the very beginning was the Prophesy established.

Genesis 3:15

• "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel".

Christ is that Seed of the woman prophesied from the beginning to bruise the head of satan that old serpent. So Christ had to come forth from the congregation Israel, as the seed of this woman. Not Mary.

When it speaks of her "travailing in birth", it is talking about the pains that the congregation was going through at the time before Christ was born. Not Mary. Israel as a congregation was in a state of trouble. Her paths were crooked (meaning that they weren't taking the straight and narrow), and the prophets and priests were all gone out of the way. We read that the Kingdom of heaven suffered violence until John and the violent take it by force (Matt. 11:12). John prophesied of making the crooked straight and prepared the way for the Lord. This is a time of great Apostasy and trouble in Israel and they pained to be delivered (Jeremiah 4:31). This Child's birth is the Only thing that could deliver her so that her joy could be fulfilled. Moreover...

So this is the symbolism of the dragon (Satan) standing before the woman who is in travail (Tribulation/Trouble), waiting for her Man Child to be born so that he might try and destroy Him. Did Satan try to Destroy the manchild as soon as it was born? Indeed he did! Remember, Satan is a Spirit. He works through men, as their authority or head (i.e., they are the tail). An example would be as he worked through Herod to try and kill the Man Child Jesus as soon as He was born. But the wise men, being forewarned in a dream by God, went back another way and did not tell him the whereabouts of Christ. And this Jesus, the Man Child, was taken into Egypt as soon as He was born to escape Herod (under authority of Satan) who attempted to destroy the manchild. There was a Great Weeping and Mourning heard, because Satan in trying to kill the man Child, slaughtered many Children (Matthew 2:14-18). And this is exactly what Revelation 12 is symbolizing.

The point is, Satan sought to kill the Man Child as soon as it was born, but God thwarted him. You see, this is the marvelous symbolism that God uses in Revelation, and it's interpretation is in scripture and not in the imaginations of men. Again, it's the only real way to find the truth of the symbolism of the woman Israel travailing in birth. In order for us to know the true interpretation of that, we don't go to Pastor Bob, or Dr. IHavea Ph.D., or the Pope, or our Church teachers, we go to the Scriptures. That is where the truth is. Anything anyone says has to be in subjection to the scripture. When we look "carefully" for the travailing woman in scripture, we see Jesus Himself gives us a clear and wonderful insight into her, and who this Man Child is. Speaking to the Children of Israel about His having to go to the cross and then ascend to heaven that they would be delivered, He elucidates:

John 16:20-21

• "Verily verily I say unto you, that ye shall weep and lament. But the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
  
  
• A Woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the Child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a Man is born into the world."

There is revealed the mystery of the MAN CHILD and the Woman travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered, by Christ Himself! No need for any speculation or guessing whether the woman must be Mary herself, or national Israel. There is the mystery revealed of the travail of the woman. There is revealed exactly who the Woman is and all aspects of the symbolism. The manchild is Christ. The Woman is the Congregation Israel. The travail is the agony this woman has to go through before her deliverance. She has to endure trial, and evil, and stand idle as Christ is crucified. We, Elect, are all part of THIS WOMAN! This is great sorrow for Israel. You see, though this woman Israel, brought forth this Man Child, it is the Man Child who "truly" delivers this woman in birth. That's why in this verse Jesus Himself is equating this woman as Israel and His going to the cross and ascending to heaven to send the Holy spirit, as this Woman being delivered.

....and he that hath ears to hear, let him hear!

Revelation 12:5 KJV
[5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

The language of "rule all nations with a rod of Iron" confirms this Man Child is Christ. This matches the language of Christ coming in Revelation 19:15 where out of his mouth goes a sword, and He shall rule them with a Rod of Iron. It's taken from Psalms Chapter 2, and the prophecy of the coming of Christ. There is no real question but this Man Child was Christ. The Rod of "RULE" is of Iron to symbolize that He Rules in strength. His Kingdom is a strong Kingdom and His rule is the Word of God! It's absolute! And He was caught up to God and His throne. That again is exactly what happened to Jesus after the Cross, and what He meant when He said that the travailing woman would have joy after she was delivered of the man child. Not just Mary! Not National Israel. But Congregation Israel making up of all Elect from Old and New Testament. He was caught up to God and is at His right hand, and His throne, ruling over HER. Not just Mary.

ewq1938 said:

All of that only happens AFTER Christ created the church so, no, the church did not give birth to Christ as Rev 12 shows. The only options are Mary or Israel itself IMO.

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Incorrect.

God is talking about CONGREGATION or CHURCH of Israel which make up of ALL ELECT from the old AND new testament starting with a woman from the beginning which Christ came and delivered her. We are all "Children of Israel" in Christ. The Jews first, then the Gentiles. The woman is one and the same bride/mother of Christ. Do you realize that there was a church in the Old Testament?

Acts 7:37-38 KJV
[37] This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
[38] This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Also, do you realize that the Holy City in Revelation 20 make up of Elect from Old Testament (12 tribes of Israel) AND New Testament (12 apostles of Israel)?

Revelation 21:9-17 KJV
[9] And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
[10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
[11] Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
[12] And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
[13] On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
[14] And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
[15] And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
[16] And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
[17] And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

Revelation 14:1 KJV
[1] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

The bride of the Lamb is THAT WOMAN of Revelation 12 which made up of all Elect from old testament (12 tribes of Israel) AND New Testament (Twelve Apostles of the Lamb). Virgin Mary was just one of us and was chosen by God to give birth of Christ on Earth on our behalf.

ewq1938 said:

All of that only happens AFTER Christ created the church so, no, the church did not give birth to Christ as Rev 12 shows. The only options are Mary or Israel itself IMO.

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The first problem before anything else can be addressed is you can’t fully understand a 1st century analogy through a 21st century paradigm.

ewq1938 said:

The bride of Christ is not the woman who gives birth to Jesus.

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Why do you insist on kicking against the goads?

ewq1938 said:

The bride of Christ is not the woman who gives birth to Jesus.

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According to Scripture, you are wrong. Speaking to Israel, God said:

Isaiah 54:5 KJV
[5] For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Hosea 2:19-20 KJV
[19] And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
[20] I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.

ewq1938 said:

The problem here is the woman in Rev 12 cannot be the Christian church/the bride of Christ. Disagreeing with someone doesn't equal "kicking against the goads" so lets keep this civil and on topic and not make it a personal thing.

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It is because you come with a preconceived mind that the woman of Revelation 12 must only be National Israel (or Mary herself), not the WHOLE CONGREGATION OF ISRAEL (from OLD and NEW TESTAMENT). But haven't you really study the Scripture?

Revelation 12:5-6 KJV
[5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

If you insist that "she" is either Mary or Israel, what was she doing after Christ ascended into heaven? Where is this wilderness that she fled to? What does the wilderness in Scripture signify? What did God have her doing out there? Feed her with what? What do the 1,260 days symbolically?

See, you need to think carefully what the rest of the context and examine this with the rest of Scripture to find out who this woman really is!