WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

DamianWarS said:

Colossians 3:9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices

aka no straw men

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Indeed than don't do it. aka strawman

DamianWarS said:

I have no scripture for it because it is a straw man. a straw man argument is something that by design will fail, I'm just simply recognizing it and calling it out. So there is no scripture about the 4th commandment being abolished and there is no scripture about a commandment to keep Sunday so how can I give scripture when there is no scripture? But so what, why would I even want to find scripture for something I make no claims toward? Your challenge to find scripture for this is for a position that no one actually holds and you're using this as a way to prop up your own position which makes no sense.

It's like saying to prove that a house is red when the whole time it's green and no one is actually saying it's green, then claiming you win because it can't be proven it's red... what exactly did you win? that it's not red which we all agreed to begin with? We all agree the 4th commandment is not abolish and that there is no commandment to keep Sunday scripturally speaking but that doesn't mean everyone believes in observing the Sabbath day the same way and that they don't have scripture to support their belief. So stop asking to find scripture for something no one actually accepts and start asking questions about what people actually claim.

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Correct you have no scripture for this tradition because there is no scripture simple as that. As shown earlier through the scriptures the only strawman is those making a trying to say God's 4th commandment is abolished or not a requirement of Christian to obey it. If you believe that there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day then you are correct and you are accountable to God for what you know.

However, that is what you know as a single person. What you believe does not represent all Christianity that go to church on Sunday. Many think that God's 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment Sabbath has been abolished or are no longer a requirement for Christianity. Just look at all those in this thread for example arguing ACTS 15 to try and teach God's 10 commandments are not a requirement for Gentile believer? This alone should show you that many do not believe the same as you do brother.

Your making broard general claims for all of those who go to Church on Sunday that simply is not true. In my experience sharing God's WORD throughout my time there are many who genuinely teach and think God's 4th commandment is not binding on Christians or is abolished so your claims here are simply not true. If you understand that there is no scripture to say God's 4th commandment has been abolsihed and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day than you are resonsible to God alone for what you know.

I am not making an argument against someone but simply providing the word of GOD in MATTHEW 15:3-9 and asking the questions where is the scripture for this tradition that has lead many to break God's 4th commandment. Your trying to make an argument against the OP and God's WORD that is not true.

It those teaching against God's 4th commandment that are making strawman arguments against God's Word. God's 4th commandment which is one of Gods 10 Commandments give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. JAMES says that if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN

God's WORD says all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

If you do not have scripture for your position then we should consider carefully why follow man made traditions over the WORD of GOD? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. *ROMANS 3:4

God bless.

ace of hearts said:

Lev 23 clearly says the sabbath is as feast day.

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Nope. No it does not. The ANNUAL FEASTS were only held once a year while God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of God's 4th Commandment is EVERY WEEK.

ace of hearts said:

Why do you post this and your statement below about unrepentant sin? I take take it as double speak. Double speak is known as saying something from one side of your mouth and contradicting it with the other side of your mouth.

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Not at all brother. It is God's WORD that says all those who CONTINUE in known UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 10 commandment in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. God's WORD says that if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guitly before God or sin *JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 3:19. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

ace of hearts said:

Is this a lie or truth -

1 Tim 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Or this -

Gal 5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

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All of God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it *ROMANS 3:4

Is this a lie or true?

1 JOHN 2:1-4
[1], My little children, these things write I to you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

ace of hearts said:

Just plain amazing. There's not truth means it's a lie to me. Your posting Rom 3:4 is very off topic and can't be about anything else except accusation. The cults are very good at this.

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Brother as posted to you personally in other threads I only post references to ROMANS 3:4 to state what it says and that is only God's WORD is true and our own words do not matter. If you take it personally then it is between you and God. That is not the intent of my providing and sharing God's Word. Thanks for your cult claim. Seems I am in good company with JESUS and the Apostles where according to God's WORD I have been blessed. *Matthew 5:11; JOHN 15:17-23; MATTHEW 10:22-25

GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN?

It is amazing how those that do not have God's WORD to supoport their traditions that break the commandments of God accuse those who have God's WORD of things that are not true.

The religious teachers in the days of Jesus said that he had a devil and his followers were a cult this was also independently verifiable in the days of Jesus and the Apostles. Just ask the Jews who hung Jesus on the cross (John 7:20; John 8:48; 52; Matt 10:25 12:24; Acts 28:22).

This could be said of all those who followed Jesus throughout time even before Jesus the religious teachers of the day killed the prophets sent to them by God to share God's WORD (Luke 11:47; Matt 23:31)

Stephen was stoned to death it was independently verified that he was blaspheming because no one could argue with the scriptures that he was presenting (Acts 6:8-15).

Paul, Peter and most of the Apostles were also executed because it was independently verified by the religious teachers of the day that they could not respond to God's WORD they were sharing with them to help them return to God.

Not to mention all those of the reformation and the birth of Protestantism and the inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church which executed millions of God's people because it was independently verified by the Roman Catholic Church that they were all heretics and should be burned at the stake.

Now today many call heretic or cult because it is independently verified because you cannot respond to the scriptures that disagree with their Catholic traditions which has led many to break God's Commandments?

ONLY God's WORD is true and many do not have it to support their traditions that breaks the commandments of God. The WORD of God is sent to help us have a closer walk with God but many reject God's WORD in order to follow the traditions of the fathers.

Jesus and Paul spoke correctly quoting Isaiah;

Well spoke the Holy Spirit by Isaiah the prophet unto our fathers, Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is stubborn, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Something to think about who do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW? The teachings and traditions of men that break the Commandments of God or the WORD of GOD. Jesus says those who follow man made traditions that break God's Commandments are not following him...

MATTHEW 15:2-9 [2], Why do your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. [3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. [5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; [6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. [7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, [8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. [9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

It is very clear according to Jesus if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the Commandments of GOD we are not following God.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

ace of hearts said:

So you refuse to admit to reality.

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Only God's WORD is true brother *ROMANS 3:4 and you are providing none. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

It is JESUS who says that all those who knowingly follow the teachings and tradtitions of men are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20.

It is God's WORD that says that SIN is the transgression or breaking of anyone of God's 10 commandments not me brother *1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

It is God's WORD that says all those who CONTINUE in known UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God's 10 commandment in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. God's WORD says that if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guitly before God or sin *JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 3:19. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Does this not concern you? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Hope this helps.

ace of hearts said:

No Scripture calling the sabbath the Lord's Day. Where is it?

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Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4

WHICH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?

MATTHEW 12:8. FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

ace of hearts said:

The listing of sins isn't a reference to the famous 10.

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The scripture provided are direct references to God's 10 commandments listed as God's 10 commandments which is the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *JAMES 2:8-12; ROMANS 7:7; ROMANS 3:20; 1 JOHN 3:4. These are the CONTEXT to the scriptures referning one or more of God's 10 commandments.

Hello brother Kermos nice to see you again. Some comments for your consideration below.

Kermos said:

The Law of Moses (Torat Moshe) also known as the Mosaic Law primarily refers to the Torah for which the preponderance of evidence indicates exist as the first five books of the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Bible made up of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The Torah contains all 10 of the Ten Commandments.

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Indeed brother brother although the TORAH describes God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments they are not the law of MOSES and never have been. They are GOD'S ETERNAL law which was SPOKEN and WRITTEN with the finger of GOD and the WORK of GOD alone *EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 32:16. In the OLD COVENANT the MOSIAC BOOK of the LAW provided support laws to GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) and provided the SHADOW laws that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) have the same role they always have in both the OLD and NEW COVENANTS and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

In the OLD COVENANT the MOSAIC BOOK of the law *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26; EXODUS 24:7 provided all the SHADOW laws for remission of sin if any of God's ETERNAL LAWS (10 commandments) were broken and other laws that were all prophetic in nature pointing to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT (burn't offerings, sin offerings, meat and drink offerings, circumcision annual feasts...) The MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 is not GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) GOD'S ETERNAL LAW is the work of God alone spoken and written with the finger of God. The MOSAIC BOOK of SHADOW laws point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT have the same role they always had and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS as shown in the NEW COVENANT scriptures *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. It is God's ETERNAL LAW that shows us that we are all SINNERS and in need of a Saviour and leads us to the CROSS of CHRIST that we might be FORGIVEN by FAITH alone! *GALATIANS 3:22-25.

If there is no LAW then we have no KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. If we have no KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is then we have no need of a Savior. If we ave no need of a Savior then we are still in our sins. If we are still in our sins then we are lost because we do not know the gift of God's dear son.

JESUS says; They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick many do not know the meaning. I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance *MATTHEW 9:12-13. Without God's ETERNAL LAW how can we know the meaning? If our lamp has gone out how can we see the way when the road is dark and narrow *PROVERBS 6:23; PSALMS 119:105; PROVERBS 13:9; MATTHEW 7:14?

Will break the response of your larger post down to sections and smaller posts.

God bless

Kermos said:

The reference to the Law of Moses in Acts 15:5 decisively refers to the Torah which includes the Ten Commandments. Jesus said "Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses" (John 5:45). Jesus Christ has set us believers free from the law of sin and death (John 8:31-32, Romans 8:2). Anyone who claims differently is a deceiver trying to deceive others away from the true Good Message of Yahúwah Yahushua haMashiyach.

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ACTS 15 is referring to CIRCUMCISION in the TORAH not God's 10 commandments. As shown earlier looking at the CONTEXT of ACTS 15 the question under consideration was; IS CIRCUMCISION A REQUIREMENT OF SALVATION? *ACTS 15:1-2. This is the question being considered in ACTS 15 not wheather GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are abolished for gentile believers. This is made clear in ACTS 15:2 where it is said that PAUL and BARNABUS went to JERUSALAM about this question. What question? IS CIRCUMCSION FROM THE LAW OF MOSES A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION *ACTS 15:1-2.

JESUS has indeed set us free from the law of sin and death this is the good news of the gospel. The law of sin and death being referred to however is not saying that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) has been abolsihed. The law of sin and death is the law of sinful human nature and the penalty for which sin brings which is death *ROMANS 7:12-21; ROMANS 6:23. God's LAW (10 Commandments) under the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

ACTS 15 as shown through the scriptures earlier verse by verse is answering the question; IS CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 A REQUIREMENT OF SALVATION.

What you point out above only confirms what has been shared here. ACTS 15 is not discussing if God's 10 commandments are abolished which some seem to teach.

The ACTS 15 letter to the new Gentile believers is affirming God's 10 commandments telling them not to commit idolatry and not to commit fornication and letting them know CIRCUMCISION is not a requirement for salvation.

The reason also for this letter was that they would continue learing God's WORD every SABBATH *ACTS 15:21.

This is also made very clear by PAUL that he is not referring to God's 10 commandments being Abolished in 1 CORINTHIANS 7 following the letter in ACTS 15.

1 CORINTHIANS 7:19 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

According to the interpretation for many of ACTS 15 PAUL is contradicting himself.

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother.

God bless

Kermos said:

The text of Acts 15 does not contain several phrases asserted by the Judaizers in this forum, specifically: "Law of Christ", "burden ... at one time", "follow God's law/commands", "keep God's law"; moreover, of criticality, the separation of the Law of Moses from the Law of Moses is an attempt by Judaizers to deform the gospel, whether intentionally or ignorantly; on the other hand, the text specifically states "the word of the Lord" which is the equivalent of the teachings of Yahúwah Yahushua haMashiyach.

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Let's have a look at your claim by asking some simple questions here. I hope this may help the discussion brother so be patient here.

1. What is the CONTEXT of ACTS 15 and the reason PAUL and BARNABAS when to JERUSALEM was it over CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 being a requirement for salvation or was ACTS 15 discussing is God's 10 Commandments still a requirement for new Chrsitians *ACTS 15:1-2.

2. WAS God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) which was SPOKEN and WRITTEN by GOD alone on two tables of stone *EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 32:16 SEPARATED in the ARK (house) of the OLD COVENANT from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:26?

3. WHY do you think GOD SEPARATED his ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) from the MOSAIC BOOK the law *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26; DEUTERONOMY 10:2 ?

Now brother take an honest look at these questions and the scirptures references provided. If you can honestly answer these questions with God's WORD then you will see your claims above a simply false claims and have no basis or scripture support from God's WORD. Only provided in love and has a help brother.

God bless.

Kermos said:

One apparent Judaizer claimed something about Noahide Laws for the letter in Acts 15; however, no Scripture reference was provided, so that Judaizer's argument is disregarded as eisogetical. Another evidential Judaizer returned to Acts 15:5 with a partially emboldened quote (the latter half): "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses". This verse clearly and decisively holds both circumcision and keeping the law of Moses in view for the letter in Acts 15. Similar to the Pharisees of Acts 15, let us recall that the Pharisees did not understand Jesus' words as recorded by the Apostle Matthew while Lord Jesus and the disciples were travelling and eating on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8). The Judaizers do not understand just like the Pharisees. The Apostle Paul wrote "the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions" (1 Timothy 1:5-7). The Word of God warns against adding to or subtracting from the Word of God (Revelation 22:18-19, Deuteronomy 4:2 - Deuteronomy contains the Ten Commandments too, see Deuteronomy 5), and it appears these Judaizers commit the criminal offense against God in both regards. Understand this, there is a lawful use of the law (1 Timothy 1:8). The sorrow over sin made manifest by the law is a lawful use of the law for the sorrow that is according to [the will] [of] God produces a repentance without regret, [leading] to salvation (continuing previous citation with 1 Timothy 1:9-10, also citing 2 Corinthians 7:10). Understand this too, I am not saying anything was abolished, rather Jesus, the eternal God, is clear that He fulfilled (Matthew 5:17). An error of the Judaizers is adding to and subtracting from the Word of God to others. Judaizers, cry out to Jesus the Lord, and may He mercifully grant you repentance!

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As shown all through the scriptures in ACTS 15 and elsewhere brother your claims here are only your words and not God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and FOLLOW it *ROMANS 3:4. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) in the NEW COVENANT have the same role they always had and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT, all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Now back to the OP. Where in all of God's WORD does it say God's 4th commandment of the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of sin when broken *ROMANS 3:20 say God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY?

God bless.

ace of hearts said:

OK, thanks. I think that's why his thread in the other forum was closed. I also think it's a if not the reason he's not posting there last I checked.

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Not really it was because others were flamming and goading that another thread was closed but this is being reviewed and we shall know the outcome shortly

ace of hearts said:

The out come from Acts 15 is the Gentile wasn't required to keep the law of Moses by written letter, nor were they required to attend the synagogue which you don't do.

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The law of MOSES is not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments). CIRCUMCISION is not one of the 10 commandments *ACTS 15:1-2

Your interpretation of the scriptures here brother is in contradiction with what PAUL says elsewhere and the rest of the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. This outcome of ACTS 15 was that CIRCUMCISION is not a requirement of SALVATION.

David Schnell said:

Wrong.

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Please by all means provide a scripture that says God's 10 commandments are the law of Moses? If you cannot your statement has not truth in it. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4

Hello brother Washed Luminary, nice to see you again. Some comments are provided in your post for consideration.

Washed Luminary said:

So first I want to address your reply to my first comment regarding the ten commandments actually being the old covenant itself. Here are some scriptures to show that The ten commandments are the very words of the Old Covenant. Ex. 34:28, Deu. 4:13, Deu. 9:9, Deu. 9:11, Deu. 9:15, Deu. 10:14, 1Ki. 8:21.

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As posted earlier brother I have never said that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) were not a part of the OLD COVENANT. They were. The scripture references posted to you earlier were to show that Gods 10 commandments were only part of the OLD COVENANT not all of the OLD COVENANT. According to God's WORD there are two parts to the OLD COVENANT. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL and the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. We agree that God's 10 commandments were a part of the OLD COVENANT. Here let's add the rest of the scriptures that show that the MOSIAC BOOK of the law was also the other part of the OLD COVENANT.

THE SHADOW LAWS OF THE MOSAIC BOOK WAS PART OF THE OLD COVEANANT

EXODUS 24 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

2 KINGS 23 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

2 CHRONICLES 34 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

2 CHRONICLES 34 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

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CONCLUSION: The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of laws which included 1. GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) and 2. The MOSAIC SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

Both these sets of LAWS had very different PURPOSES under the OLD Covenant.

1. GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) where to provide a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS.

2. The MOSAIC SHADOW laws from the BOOK OF THE COVENANT of laws and ORDINANCES which included the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws were laws for the REMISSION or FORGIVENESS of sin which included the Leviticial PRIESTHOOD and ORDINACES for sin offerings for the SNACTUARY SERVICE. PRIESTHOOD, SACRIFICAL SIN OFFERINGS for FORGIVENESS OF SIN.

God bless.

Washed Luminary said:

This also explains why we called the ark, the ark of the Covenant because it is a box which was designed to carry the Covenant in.

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Absolutely brother. The ARK (house) of the COVENANT held God's COVENANT with God's people. Now what did the ARK of the covenant house or contain?

DEUTERONOMY 10:5 [5] And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me.

Yep there is the 10 Commandments housed in the ARK of the COVENANT.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

The ARK of the covenant contained both God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) and the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the covenant.

God bless

Washed Luminary said:

next I wanted to point out that just as circumcision is the covenant sign of the Abrahamic Covenant Gen. 17:11 Likewise, Sabbath keeping is the Covenant sign of the Mosaic Covenant Ex. 31 12-13

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GOD'S SABBATH is a sign that God's people worship and follow the only true God of creation and it is God who santifies them. However here you are mixing up the SHADOW signs of the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT in CIRCUMCISION that points to a NEW HEART by FAITH (DEUTERONOMY 30:6; JEREMIAH 4:4; DEUTERONOMY 10:16; ROMANS 2:25-29; 1 CORINTHIANS 7:19; HEBREWS 8:10) in the NEW COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) and God's 4th Commandment that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken under the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

Washed Luminary said:

With that being said I would now like you to read Gal. 3:16-19, and notice in verse 19 where it says "it was added because of transgression TILL THE SEED SHOULD COME." That seed is Christ. This shows that the Mosaic Covenant had an expiration date. Physical circumcision was pointing to circumcision of the heart, just as physical Sabbath keeping (rest) was pointing to our rest in Christ from our works. He did it all for us and there's nothing anyone else can pretend to do. Hallelujah praise be to Christ!

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GALATIANS 3 brother is not saying God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is ABOLSIHED it is saying that GOD'S LAW gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is which is shown in the scriptures a little further in GALATIANS 3:22-25 to lead us to CHRIST (the Word - seed) so that we might be FORGIVEN by FAITH in his WORD. This is the purpose of God's LAW to show us that we are all SINNERS in need of God's salvation and to lead us to CHRIST that we might be FORGIVEN by FAITH in his WORD.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother

God bless.