The Dedication of the Altar in Israel.

Marilyn C said:

Yes, tim, that is what the scripture says.

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Do you see North America, the British Isles and Commonwealth and parts of Europe moving soon?

Marilyn C said:

Mmmmmoving to where? Or moving.....? Not sure what you mean.

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Moving to today's Israel

Marilyn C said:

No, as we are called out of Israel and called out of the nations. We are a heavenly nation, & not of this earth.

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That too.

Marilyn C said:

Quite clearly it is about ISRAEL!

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Perfectly clearly; Romans 9:24-26 is about Christians. The next verse refers to Jewish Israel.

Marilyn C said:

If you make all scripture as to us, then it becomes nonsense.

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No Marylin, just use common sense. Those Letters to the Church's, etc, are all to edify us.
Those quotes of Jesus I gave in #113, do pertain to us today. Denying and making out they don't is a very serious matter and leads to gross confusion about what God plans for His people in the end times.

Marilyn C said:

The Body of Christ is already in the Book of Life and their names registered in heaven. Those who have gone before are already there.

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I agree that born again Christians do have their Names Written in the book of Life. This does not mean they cannot be rubbed out of it for sins. Psalms 69:28

The idea of immortal people living in heaven now, flatly contradicts Revelation 20:11-15 & 21:1-7. Happy with that? Even Daniel 'sleeps' until the last day. Daniel 12:13

Marilyn C said:

All I see is that the Apostle Paul is writing concerning Israel and how God will have mercy of them.

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Do you have any reading glasses?

Rom 9:24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Rom 9:25 As He says also in Hosea: "I WILL CALL THEM MY PEOPLE, WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, AND HER BELOVED, WHO WAS NOT BELOVED."

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timothyu said:

Moving to today's Israel

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The Israel, all of the holy Land, that we Christians will inhabit in the last few years of this age and during the Millennium. will be vastly different from the Israel of today.
The Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath will clear and cleanse the entire ME area. Zephaniah 1:14-18

Dozens of prophesies describe the blessed Land and His faithful Christian people, being the people He always wanted there; His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:9, Matthew 5:14-16

keras said:

The Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath will clear and cleanse the entire ME area.

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Do the Chinese help with that upon crossing the Euphrates now that the highway is built?

Marilyn C said:

Hi keras,

The AC will sit in a temple but it will not be the one Ezekiel talks about. The Ezekiel temple has the glory of God in the Most Holy place and God is certainly not going to let the AC go there. The temple in the tribulation, is `naos,` a temple elsewhere from the one Jesus refers to as `hieron,` Solomon`s temple.

Now do you read a newspaper as all about you? No of course not, yet you are reading God`s word as if it all applies to you.

John 3: 13 only says that no one has ascended to heaven, for Jesus had not died and rose again.
John 17: 15 is talking about believers while they are alive to still be in the world.
John 7: 34 Jesus is talking to His disciples telling THEM that they will not be able to go to the Father where He is going for they are still alive.
John 8: 21 - 23 The same as above. People are still alive therefore they cannot go to heaven yet.
Rev. 5: 10 the Greek word is `epi` meaning `over.` We shall rule OVER the earth.

Dan. 7: 25 The Body of Christ was NOT revealed in the OT so we can`t be in Dan. 7: 25. Those saints are Israeli saints.
Rev. 13: 7 are the tribulation saints, not the Body of Christ who has already gone to heaven.

Now keras, tell my why does God give us a body like unto His that will be immortal, incorruptible and able to go through walls, a body that is obviously NOT for this world, a spiritual body. (1 Cor 15: 44, 52 - 54)

Marilyn.

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Just because I like this post, I'll copy & paste Greek Word Studies: Temple
Put another way: hieron is 1 thing: a physical temple, while naos is 2 things: the spiritual temple OR the physical inner sanctuary of the physical temple (which is symbolizing a spiritual temple).

The upshot here is that when the man of sin 'sits in the temple'/ 'sits in the naos' 2 Thessalonians 2:4 Interlinear: who is opposing and is raising himself up above all called God or worshipped, so that he in the sanctuary of God as God hath sat down, shewing himself off that he is God -- the day doth not come. of God, the man of sin will be sitting in the highest pinnacle of the physical expression of holiness; the inner sanctuary of a physical temple. Ezekiel's temple will be the physical epitome of holiness, ordained by God. The new Jerusalem is holier than Ezekiel's temple (new Jerusalem is the spiritual equivalent of the physical Ezekiel's temple.) There is no temple in the new Jerusalem, & no animal sacrifices will be required.

Also, when I was constructing the timeline that Revelation seems to be adhering to, I didn't know where a '2300 days' would be applicable, so I didn't really check (also I figured it was only referring to 1150 days, not 2300 days). But when I went over it for a 2300 days segment, there it was:

from the initial beginning of the end of 70 Hebrew calendar years of the 'desolations of Jerusalem' (dusk April 19, 2018 aka 5 Iyyar, 5778), it will take 70 weeks 'to anoint a most holy [place]' ('qodesh qodasim'/ holy of holies)(ending at dusk Aug 22, 2019). Add 2300 days to get to dusk Dec 8, 2025; this is 5 days before 24 Kislev, 5786 aka Hanukah.

So, when this 'holy place' is anointed this August (whatever it is), it will take 2300 days to purify it for its rededication for Hanukah 2025.

Put another way, the way it breaks down appears to be:

• 70 weeks from the 70th year marker to anoint a most holy/ 2300 days to purify it
• from the 70 weeks marker, just follow Daniel 9 and add 7 weeks
• Add 62 weeks, add 3.5 days to get the day this 'most holy' will be defiled (Dec 21, 2020 which is prophetically linked with Prince William (he turns 38.5 years old, the middle of '77' years)
• Add 1335 days (45 days after the start of the 1335 days is the start of 1290 days, the start of the Trumpets) (the 2 witnesses start in the middle of the 7 years occurring from the 70th year to the 77th year)
• Add 70 weeks to finish the transgression, the entire 69th week exactly matching Hanukah (dusk Dec 13, 2025 to dusk Dec 20, 2025)

The Gog war doesn't take place at the beginning of Revelation, it takes place at the start of the 7th Trumpet, the 7 months of clean-up (Ezekiel 39:12) (starting around the 77th anniversary of Jerusalem desolations (aka it takes '70 7' to anoint a holy place/ '77' years Daniel 9:24). The end of the 2300 days incorporates this 7 month clean-up to cleanse the land.

timothyu said:

Do the Chinese help with that upon crossing the Euphrates now that the highway is built?

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You are confusing Armageddon, the battle that Jesus will win at His Return by the Sword of His Word, with the Lord's Day of fiery wrath against all the nations; the next prophesied event.

keras said:

You are confusing Armageddon, the battle that Jesus will win at His Return by the Sword of His Word, with the Lord's Day of fiery wrath against all the nations; the next prophesied event.

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Either ways it's a coming.

Marilyn C said:

The scripture in Romans does not say we are true Israel! We are of the promise, Christ!

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I nearly gave you an agree tick!
The only thing I disagree with is who is the true Israel. Do you really believe that the Jews are the only Israel? For a start they just represent 2 of the 12 tribes. Even then, their origins are very murky and there is no proof of their descent from Judah.
Jesus is the true Israel of God, His Overcomer and the Victorious one. So it follows that we Christians, born again in Jesus, are the genuine Israelites of God. As Paul says in Galatians 6:14-16 and as we see in each of the seven Church's of Revelation 3-4, His Victorious ones.

keras said:

I do not mean that God will again demand physical circumcision.
Jesus' Advent canceled that, [did it?] but it is the Spiritual C, of the heart, that is required.

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So you are saying that the DEMAND that men be PHYSICALLY circumcised in this passage is NOT for our future?:

Ezekiel 44:9
'Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary.

Are you asserting the physical brick and mortar sanctuary described in Ezekiel 44:9, that ALL men must be PHYSICALLY circumcised to enter, is PAST, not future?

As for a new Temple, prophecy makes it plain there will be one. Why must you deny it?

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As for a Future demand of Physical Circumcision, prophecy makes it plain there will be one. Why must you deny it?

Marilyn C said:

Hi tranquil,

Interesting thoughts there on the extra days & would like to talk about that with you some time.

As to `naos` & `hieron` we read that when the Lord was referring to the temple of Solomon/Herod, he always used the word `hieron,` whereas Paul, referring to the temple where the A/C would set himself up, is `naos,` a temple elsewhere.

Marilyn.

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Hi Marilyn,

In every instance outside of 2 Thessalonians 2:4 where Paul refers to the temple, it is a reference to the spiritual temple of every believer, collectively, the Church; and it is a "naos".

2 Thessalonians 2:4 is also a "naos". There is no reason to believe that Paul meant anything other than the spiritual temple of every believer, collectively, the Church.

The man of sin would situate himself spiritually within the Church.

parousia70 said:

So you are saying that the DEMAND that men be PHYSICALLY circumcised in this passage is NOT for our future?:

Ezekiel 44:9
'Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary.

Are you asserting the physical brick and mortar sanctuary described in Ezekiel 44:9, that ALL men must be PHYSICALLY circumcised to enter, is PAST, not future?

As for a Future demand of Physical Circumcision, prophecy makes it plain there will be one. Why must you deny it?

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I am puzzled as to why you usually make out all the prophecies as being fulfilled in past times, but now come out with physical circumcision as a future requirement?
Paul makes it quite plain; that physical mark is no longer needed for one to be a son of God. Romans 2:25-29, Romans 4:9-12, 1 Corinthians 7:19, Galatians 5:2-4, Philippians 3:2-11

However, I am willing to agree that as God will require sacrifices again in the new Temple, then as Ezekiel 44:7-9 does say: Those uncircumcised in mind and body defile My House...….it will be a requirement, at least for the Priests on the Temple. Before and during the Millennium.

jgr said:

Hi Marilyn,

In every instance outside of 2 Thessalonians 2:4 where Paul refers to the temple, it is a reference to the spiritual temple of every believer, collectively, the Church; and it is a "naos".

2 Thessalonians 2:4 is also a "naos". There is no reason to believe that Paul meant anything other than the spiritual temple of every believer, collectively, the Church.

The man of sin would situate himself spiritually within the Church.

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Sheer denial of plain scriptural prophecy. Words that tell of a physical man sitting in a real Temple. 2 Thessalonians 2:4
For now, as there is no Temple in Jerusalem, we Christians represent the Temple, spiritually. But this is just for the Church age, soon to be over and what God asked for before, will again be done.

keras said:

Sheer denial of plain scriptural prophecy. Words that tell of a physical man sitting in a real Temple. 2 Thessalonians 2:4
For now, as there is no Temple in Jerusalem, we Christians represent the Temple, spiritually. But this is just for the Church age, soon to be over and what God asked for before, will again be done.

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Sheer denial of Paul's consistent use of "naos", in an attempt to malform a misconception to fit a dogmatic preconception.