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I think you should review this forums rules about abortion threads.Since abortion has come up recently in the news, I thought it would be good to share a point of view, and to invite people to share their views on it.
My views on abortion were greatly influence by this article. It's from the Nonreligious Patheos website, and sets out the case for why abortion is a morally neutral act:
On the Morality of: Abortion
To assist in this conversation I shall summarise the main points, but you might like to read the article yourselves if you wish to disagree with it.
Point 1: what defines a human being? It cannot be organs, or even human DNA. These things do not automatically equal personhood. The article submits that the one thing that can be said to define a human is "consciousness - the facility for self-aware thought." Not, it should be noted, the presence of thought (people don't cease being people when they're asleep!)
Point 2: "Until the capability for conscious thought exists, a fetus cannot have the same moral status as a person."
Point 3: Therefore "...no harm is done when a woman aborts a pregnancy before this point. There is no person for harm to be done to."
I wonder what other people think about this? Do you find it persuasive, or not?
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I think the fact that the future adult in the womb has a unique DNA shows that the future adult is its own person and not simply an organ or part of the mother's body. Left unmurdered, the future adult will in most all cases become an adult. I understand that you do not believe that there is not an Author to life. But those that do believe in Yeshua Hamashiach (Jesus), do recognize that we are not all cosmic accidents, but rather we are here simply to make a choice: for or against our Creator. Our Creator could have made robots who were programmed to love their Creator. But instead, gave us the free will to choose or reject. At some future point, at an hour that nobody knows, not even the angels, this time will pass and then we will be in our final eternity based on our choice. The future adults that were murdered and never had a chance to choose for or against, are automatically in the arms of our Lord. Those who participated in the murder of innocent blood usually have hardened their heart to the Lord or have tried to numb their conscience to the point where they don't feel anything. The Lord will forgive a truly repentant heart, but it will be few that come to that point after murdering the innocent. The shedding of innocent blood is a detestable thing and has consequences that can affect one's eternity. I am not trying to convince you to believe it. Only the Holy Spirit of the Lord can convince a hardened heart. I am honestly praying for you to consider all that has been written and truly do appreciate that your respectfully written post.Apologies if I have broken the forum rules by posting on this topic. I'll be happy to delete the thread, or to have it deleted, if so.
Elective abortions in the US are demonstrably not murder. Hyperbole doesn’t advance the conversation...Abortion is murder, that's as simple as it is. Women can call that murder their "choice" and they aren't wrong. It is a choice they have made to commit murder.
Abortion is murder...
1. The United States isn’t a theocracy.People listen to the laws of men and deem something God calls murder as not murder. So the laws of men give them an out and they commit murder in the eyes of God. This is what I meant above about a society not following God. Man made laws deem it is ok to kill someone, consequences of that in Gods economy is eternal destruction. You committed murder regardless what man said. Your hope is the mercy and grace through Jesus Christ and Him alone.
Neither does closed eyes to the laws of God within a Christian forum. If you take a pair of scissors and jam it through a puppies head you killed a dog. If you take the same pair of scissors and jam it through an infant persons skull society calls that abortion and deems it legal. Save the semantics for courts of law where you without doubt will win but even they are courts of men, not God. Before God murder was committed. You kill a defenseless infant human being and society after enough of these becomes numb to it.Elective abortions in the US are demonstrably not murder. Hyperbole doesn’t advance the conversation...
That all sounds great in mans court of law, where it will be fine for you to commit murder of an infant human being. You can take your scissors and jam it through the babies skull and call it as you wish. Here is the thing " truth", which comes from God but people choose to reject. So they alter truth to fit their needs, to include God Himself ( or no God as it were or the case may be), to include their own lifestyles and yes to jam scissors through an infants skull and call that something other than murder.1. The United States isn’t a theocracy.
2. Not all Christians believe abortion is murder.
3. Not everyone is a Christian.
Living outside the will of God leads precisely to where we are in society...
Your presence here precludes that.I do and I have.
Don’t let the facts get in the way of the narrative.There are highs and lows, sure.
Like the misinformation about the Virginia legislation.Don’t let the facts get in the way of the narrative.
If you believed what you claim why are you taking the time to comment here when you could be out disabling the clinics near you that are facilitating murder?Huh?
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