Is God able to change a person's will?

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That’s over my head friend I’m not sure what you meant. Lol

If they are incapable of changing their lifestyle then would not a movie or book such as that display what is meant by loving neighbour as self? Does it always have to come from a direct and often humbug Christian religious perspective?
 
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If they are incapable of changing their lifestyle then would not a movie or book such as that display what is meant by loving neighbour as self? Does it always have to come from a direct and often humbug Christian religious perspective?

That still doesn’t get them accepting Christ as their Savior tho. They don’t believe God exists.
 
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That still doesn’t get them accepting Christ as their Savior tho. They don’t believe God exists.

Sometimes you have to start from a point they understand then later show the connection. Too many people are under this misconception Jesus'Gospel of the Kingdom is about a religion rather than a way of life.
 
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Can a person who desires his own will instead of God's be changed by God?
Sure. God is omnipotent. Any question that begins with "Can God..." has a simple answer, "Yes". Any statement that includes "God cannot..." is false.
 
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Sure. God is omnipotent. Any question that begins with "Can God..." has a simple answer, "Yes". Any statement that includes "God cannot..." is false.
Can God create a being who has always existed (this would be like God creating another Christ)?
 
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I never said that . How can a natural man repent or have the gift of faith?



It's the result of regeneration.



Is God incapable of saving all people?



This does not say that no one is blind.

2 Corinthians 4
1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

My siblings weren't living under the law and don't even know what it is. They haven't been brought to Christ.




Not of works.

8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. :(

The law demanded perfection.



Romans 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

God does the providing of: divine nature, becoming a new creature, washing, renewing and regeneration, while man does nothing righteous, noble, honorable, praise worthy or of value. But that does not mean sinful selfish dead man cannot do something (like the prodigal son did in his dead state as described by Christ). Sinful selfish man can still wimp out, give up and surrender (nothing noble there) and thus be humbly willing to accept pure sacrificial charity from his enemy, God. (Realize at the moment of the sinner’s surrendering God is still his enemy and he could easily feel he could be cruelly tortured to death for his previous war crimes. The sinner is not joining God’s army at this time).

The whole reason for the sinner having to reach the point of humble accept God’s pure charity is because he has to want Godly type Love as a free will choice. Godly type Love cannot come to the sin instinctively because that would make it robotic. Not to want Godly type Love is not to want God and heaven where heaven is like one huge Love feast. The person has the choice of continuing to pursue the perceived pleasures of sin or accept God’s Love. Also, the only way for the sinner to obtain Godly type Love for Himself is by accepting God’s forgiveness, as Jesus taught us: “…he that is forgiven much Loves much…”, so if you are forgiven of an unbelievable huge debt you will automatically have an unbelievable huge Love (Godly type Love).

What you seems to be saying is: God arbitrarily selects only some sinners to save and the others for no good reason God does not save. This is like a rescuer only saving some out of a burning building while he could just as safely and easily save them all?
 
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OK.

Did the prodigal son really want to go home for some noble reason in his dead state (dead by Christ's definition)?

Did God motivate him to go home or was it just his own innate goodness that motivated him?
 
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God does the providing of: divine nature, becoming a new creature, washing, renewing and regeneration, while man does nothing righteous, noble, honorable, praise worthy or of value. But that does not mean sinful selfish dead man cannot do something (like the prodigal son did in his dead state as described by Christ). Sinful selfish man can still wimp out, give up and surrender (nothing noble there) and thus be humbly willing to accept pure sacrificial charity from his enemy, God. (Realize at the moment of the sinner’s surrendering God is still his enemy and he could easily feel he could be cruelly tortured to death for his previous war crimes. The sinner is not joining God’s army at this time).

The whole reason for the sinner having to reach the point of humble accept God’s pure charity is because he has to want Godly type Love as a free will choice. Godly type Love cannot come to the sin instinctively because that would make it robotic. Not to want Godly type Love is not to want God and heaven where heaven is like one huge Love feast. The person has the choice of continuing to pursue the perceived pleasures of sin or accept God’s Love. Also, the only way for the sinner to obtain Godly type Love for Himself is by accepting God’s forgiveness, as Jesus taught us: “…he that is forgiven much Loves much…”, so if you are forgiven of an unbelievable huge debt you will automatically have an unbelievable huge Love (Godly type Love)....

What you seem to be saying is that it is of him(the human) that willeth.

What you seems to be saying is: God arbitrarily selects only some sinners to save and the others for no good reason God does not save. This is like a rescuer only saving some out of a burning building while he could just as safely and easily save them all?

So you're a Universalist? All should be saved?
 
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Did God motivate him to go home or was it just his own innate goodness that motivated him?
Jesus tells us what "motivated" him to go home and it was not out of his "goodness". He selfishly wanted to have just some kind of undeserved livable life and was willing to humble himself to the point of accepting undeserved pure charity from his father. If he had been "good" by earthly standards he would have paid the piper, taken his will earned dissevered punishment (starved to death in the pigsty), not added fuel to his brother's contempt, and certainly not have disturbed his father further with his presence.
 
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What you seem to be saying is that it is of him(the human) that willeth.



So you're a Universalist? All should be saved?
NO not at all!
All mature adult sinners can be saved, but they must be willing, for selfish reasons, to humbly accept God's charity (mercy/grace/Love/forgiveness). God will provide the sinner with ample opportunities to accept His charity, but if they will never willingly accept pure charity (Love) than they will never be happy in heaven where there is only Godly type Love. God cannot force them to accept His Love like a shotgun wedding with God holding the shotgun since the "love" received would no longer be Godly type Love.
 
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Jesus tells us what "motivated" him to go home and it was not out of his "goodness". He selfishly wanted to have just some kind of undeserved livable life and was willing to humble himself to the point of accepting undeserved pure charity from his father. If he had been "good" by earthly standards he would have paid the piper, taken his will earned dissevered punishment (starved to death in the pigsty), not added fuel to his brother's contempt, and certainly not have disturbed his father further with his presence.

So you are saying the world would have it that none of us should repent and return to the Father to live under His will but instead carry on as we are, get what we deserve and do Heaven a favour??
 
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So you are saying the world would have it that none of us should repent and return to the Father to live under His will but instead carry on as we are, get what we deserve and do Heaven a favour??
Right, be a good soldier, be macho to the end, have some pride (it is really just a false pride), and be self reliant. Remember there are no monuments built to those who surrender, yet there are monuments built on the battle field to soldiers who fought to the death on both sides, so be like one of them.
 
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Right, be a good soldier, be macho to the end, have some pride (it is really just a false pride), and be self reliant. Remember there are no monuments built to those who surrender, yet there are monuments built on the battle field to soldiers who fought to the death on both sides, so be like one of them.

which side are you.. world of man or Kingdom?
 
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Do humans possess desires? Can a person who desires his own will instead of God's be changed by God? If he can't be changed why was he made that way? Do you pray for unbelievers?

God can change our wills and God also leaves us to change our wills at times.
Remember how Pharoah hardened his heart and then God hardened his heart.
 
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