The Dedication of the Altar in Israel.

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You have no other alternative then but to suggest that God wasted these chapters in the bible. Perhaps at that time, God did not know that Jesus would actually go through with shedding His blood for the sins of the world.

Please elaborate.

Sorry, I don't buy that. We both know that the blood of bulls and goats simply cannot take away sin, yet untold thousands of them were sacrificed to cover sin for a season. Why?

Jesus had not arrived.
He's here now, FOREVER interceeding on behalf of Sinners.

He will NEVER require physical circumcision and blood animal sacrifices.

Such is pure fantasy.
 
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Jesus had not arrived.
He's here now, FOREVER interceeding on behalf of Sinners.

He will NEVER require physical circumcision and blood animal sacrifices.

Such is pure fantasy.
But there are scriptures saying that sacrifices and offerings will again be made in a new Temple. Your categorical statements are wrong. God wanted sacrifices before and He does not change;
Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 45:13-25, Psalms 51:18-19, Ezekiel 20:40-41, +

For now though, during this Church age, the Lord requires our loyalty and trust.
As for circumcision, that is a very good practice, that is well known to help the health and well being of all men.

So your calling these things 'fantasy' just shows up your ignorance.
 
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But there are scriptures saying that sacrifices and offerings will again be made in a new Temple.

Or, your interpretation calling this a "new" temple is wrong.

As for circumcision, that is a very good practice, that is well known to help the health and well being of all men.

WHAT DOES SCIENCE SAY?

Not medically indicated or contraindicated
What all this really boils down to is that there are no compelling scientific arguments for or against neonatal circumcision.

There are small risks and there are small benefits. The decision is not a medical one. Medical organizations are not “pro” circumcision, but they’re not “con” either. The American Academy of Pediatrics’ official policy states:

Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision. In circumstances in which there are potential benefits and risks, yet the procedure is not essential to the child’s current well-being, parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child.


So your calling these things 'fantasy' just shows up your ignorance.

Like your ignorance about the "well known health benefits" of Circumcision?

What are the benefits to the Christian of Circumcision?
1 Cor 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

The fantasy part is the belief that God will, in the future, require something of men He has plainly said, emphatically, "is nothing".
 
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Or, your interpretation calling this a "new" temple is wrong.

What are the benefits to the Christian of Circumcision?
1 Cor 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

The fantasy part is the belief that God will, in the future, require something of men He has plainly said, emphatically, "is nothing".
Dogs, evil workers, circumcision........Repent!

Philip 3:2
Beware of the dogs
!/kunaV <2965> beware of-the evil workers! beware of-the circumcision! [Psalm 22:16/Isaiah 56:11/Revelation 22:15]

Did anyone notice that dogs are also shown in the covenantle parable of Luke 16, which mentions: Abraham[faith/life]
and Moses[Law/death]
and Lazarus[Resurrection]

I am not really sure what the "dogs" shown in Luke:21 is symbolizing.....

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Luke 16:21
and yearning to be satisfied from the crumbs the-ones falling from the table of the rich-one,
but also the dogs/kuneV <2965> coming licked upon the sores of him.

In contrast to the rich man, we now see Lazarus. The first thing to note is that he is depicted as a beggar. This is an apt description of the Gentiles who "laid at the gate" of Judah. Paul describes the predicament of the Gentiles before they accepted the Messiah in his letter to the Ephesians:
Additionally, we are told that dogs came and consoled Lazarus in his misery, licking his sores. The Jews considered the surrounding Gentiles to be unclean "dogs." Even Yeshua himself used this unflattering comparison when he conversed with the Greek Syrophoenician woman while in the region of Tyre (Mark 7:24-30)....................
While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!


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The fantasy part is the belief that God will, in the future, require something of men He has plainly said, emphatically, "is nothing".
I do not mean that God will again demand physical circumcision.
Jesus' Advent cancelled that, but it is the Spiritual C, of the heart, that is required.

Re the medical benefits of c., a study was started somewhere in Africa, of men c. and not c. They stopped the study and recommended to every man to have c. as that did very evidently and dramatically reduce the risk of disease.
C. is know to be beneficial, but todays medical leaders simply don't like its Biblical connotations.

As for a new Temple, prophecy makes it plain there will be one. Why must you deny it?
 
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As for a new Temple, prophecy makes it plain there will be one. Why must you deny it?


Based on the words of Peter below, construction of the third temple began during the first century.

His quotes from the Old Testament, which are Uppercase in the NKJV, show it to be a fulfillment of prophecy.


1Pe 2:4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,
1Pe 2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHIEF CORNERSTONE, ELECT, PRECIOUS, AND HE WHO BELIEVES ON HIM WILL BY NO MEANS BE PUT TO SHAME."
1Pe 2:7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, "THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE,"
1Pe 2:8 and "A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE." They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
1Pe 2:10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

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Would not a false Messiah require a false temple?

If it is a "false temple", it cannot be the "temple of God" found in scripture.

The following could apply to a false temple.


Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

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Would not a false Messiah require a false temple?
Don't know where you get a 'false Messiah' from?
There is a false prophet and the leader of the One World Government sets himself up in the Temple as the false god.
As described by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:4

So the must be a new Temple built before Jesus Returns. It is well described by Ezekiel 40-46 and the Shekinah Glory of God will be in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4 But when the leader of the OWG , now revealed as the Anti-Christ, conquers God's Christian people, then living in all of the holy Land; God will leave until Jesus Returns 3 1/2 years later.
 
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Don't know where you get a 'false Messiah' from?
There is a false prophet and the leader of the One World Government sets himself up in the Temple as the false god.
As described by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:4

So the must be a new Temple built before Jesus Returns. It is well described by Ezekiel 40-46 and the Shekinah Glory of God will be in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4 But when the leader of the OWG , now revealed as the Anti-Christ, conquers God's Christian people, then living in all of the holy Land; God will leave until Jesus Returns 3 1/2 years later.

Hi keras,

That is quite a muddle there. The third temple will be built in the millennium and God`s glory will rest upon it. The Body of Christ will not be there as they are with the Lord ruling from the third heaven.

The Body of Christ does not go and live in Israel.
The Third Temple is not built in the millennium.
The anti-Christ makes desolate with the A/D in a place that is already built.
God is there in His full wrath and has not brought His glory to earth at that time.

Marilyn.
 
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Hi keras,

That is quite a muddle there. The third temple will be built in the millennium and God`s glory will rest upon it. The Body of Christ will not be there as they are with the Lord ruling from the third heaven.

The Body of Christ does not go and live in Israel.
The Third Temple is not built in the millennium.
The anti-Christ makes desolate with the A/D in a place that is already built.
God is there in His full wrath and has not brought His glory to earth at that time.

Marilyn.
Hi Marylin,
It is you that is in quite a muddle. Bible prophecy makes it clear that the new Temple will be built before Jesus Returns. The AC will sit in it and declare himself to be god. 2 Thessalonians 2:4, + many other prophesies. Nothing is built yet, but will be soon.

No one goes to heaven, Jesus said so; John 3:13, John 17:15, John 7:34, John 8:21-23, Revelation 5:10
We faithful Christians will go to live in all of the holy Land. That is our destiny. We are there when the AC comes to Jerusalem; Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7

I note that your opinions are totally bereft of scriptural support.
 
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Hi Marylin,
It is you that is in quite a muddle. Bible prophecy makes it clear that the new Temple will be built before Jesus Returns. The AC will sit in it and declare himself to be god. 2 Thessalonians 2:4, + many other prophesies. Nothing is built yet, but will be soon.

No one goes to heaven, Jesus said so; John 3:13, John 17:15, John 7:34, John 8:21-23, Revelation 5:10
We faithful Christians will go to live in all of the holy Land. That is our destiny. We are there when the AC comes to Jerusalem; Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7

I note that your opinions are totally bereft of scriptural support.

Hi keras,

The AC will sit in a temple but it will not be the one Ezekiel talks about. The Ezekiel temple has the glory of God in the Most Holy place and God is certainly not going to let the AC go there. The temple in the tribulation, is `naos,` a temple elsewhere from the one Jesus refers to as `hieron,` Solomon`s temple.

Now do you read a newspaper as all about you? No of course not, yet you are reading God`s word as if it all applies to you.

John 3: 13 only says that no one has ascended to heaven, for Jesus had not died and rose again.
John 17: 15 is talking about believers while they are alive to still be in the world.
John 7: 34 Jesus is talking to His disciples telling THEM that they will not be able to go to the Father where He is going for they are still alive.
John 8: 21 - 23 The same as above. People are still alive therefore they cannot go to heaven yet.
Rev. 5: 10 the Greek word is `epi` meaning `over.` We shall rule OVER the earth.

Dan. 7: 25 The Body of Christ was NOT revealed in the OT so we can`t be in Dan. 7: 25. Those saints are Israeli saints.
Rev. 13: 7 are the tribulation saints, not the Body of Christ who has already gone to heaven.

Now keras, tell my why does God give us a body like unto His that will be immortal, incorruptible and able to go through walls, a body that is obviously NOT for this world, a spiritual body. (1 Cor 15: 44, 52 - 54)

Marilyn.
 
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The Body of Christ was NOT revealed in the OT

Paul says otherwise in the passage below.

Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
Rom 9:24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As He says also in Hosea: "I WILL CALL THEM MY PEOPLE, WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, AND HER BELOVED, WHO WAS NOT BELOVED."
Rom 9:26 "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,' THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD."
Rom 9:27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, THE REMNANT WILL BE SAVED.

You statement above is one of the claims of modern Dispensational Theology, which will not stand up to scripture.

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The AC will sit in a temple but it will not be the one Ezekiel talks about. The Ezekiel temple has the glory of God in the Most Holy place and God is certainly not going to let the AC go there. The temple in the tribulation, is `naos,` a temple elsewhere from the one Jesus refers to as `hieron,` Solomon`s temple.
I reject all of your rebuttals on the grounds of your application of them to people other than Christians today.
If you start to make some scripture inapplicable to us, where do you stop?
You do it for one reason: to make the false belief of a 'rapture' possible. A very serious mistake.

There will be only one new Temple, dedicated to God and His glory will reside in it. But when the AC conquers God's people, Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, the Shekinah Glory will leave until Jesus Returns and chains up Satan. Revelation 20:2
Those two Greek words can both apply to the Temple, the holy place. They do not prove anything.
Now keras, tell my why does God give us a body like unto His that will be immortal, incorruptible and able to go through walls, a body that is obviously NOT for this world, a spiritual body. (1 Cor 15: 44, 52 - 54)
Thinking that anyone receives immortality before the Great White Throne Judgement, is error and conflicts with Bible truth. It is irrefutable that ONLY when the Book of Life is opened, then; after the Millennium, those found worthy will become immortal and live in Eternity with God. Revelation 21:1-7
 
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Paul says otherwise in the passage below.

Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
Rom 9:24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As He says also in Hosea: "I WILL CALL THEM MY PEOPLE, WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, AND HER BELOVED, WHO WAS NOT BELOVED."
Rom 9:26 "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,' THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD."
Rom 9:27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, THE REMNANT WILL BE SAVED.

You statement above is one of the claims of modern Dispensational Theology, which will not stand up to scripture.

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Hi BABerean,

All I see is that the Apostle Paul is writing concerning Israel and how God will have mercy of them.

`yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or numbered. And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, "You are not my people," There it shall be said to them, "You are the sons of the living God."

Then the children of Judah and the children of Israel shall be gathered together, and appoint for themselves one head; and they shall come up out of the land, for that will be the day of Jezreel!

Say to your brethren, "My people," and to your sisters, "Mercy is shown." (Hosea 1: 10 & 11, 2: 1)

Quite clearly it is about ISRAEL!

Marilyn.
 
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I reject all of your rebuttals on the grounds of your application of them to people other than Christians today.
If you start to make some scripture inapplicable to us, where do you stop?
You do it for one reason: to make the false belief of a 'rapture' possible. A very serious mistake.

There will be only one new Temple, dedicated to God and His glory will reside in it. But when the AC conquers God's people, Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, the Shekinah Glory will leave until Jesus Returns and chains up Satan. Revelation 20:2
Those two Greek words can both apply to the Temple, the holy place. They do not prove anything.

Thinking that anyone receives immortality before the Great White Throne Judgement, is error and conflicts with Bible truth. It is irrefutable that ONLY when the Book of Life is opened, then; after the Millennium, those found worthy will become immortal and live in Eternity with God. Revelation 21:1-7

Hi keras,

If you make all scripture as to us, then it becomes nonsense.

The Body of Christ is already in the Book of Life and their names registered in heaven. Those who have gone before are already there.

`But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are registered in heaven, to God, the judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant..` (Heb. 12: 22 - 24)

Marilyn.

Marilyn.
 
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