The Dedication of the Altar in Israel.

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Hi timothyu,

Those people would be following their conscience, which reveals what is right or wrong. That would be God`s will in regard to that. God`s will in a greater way would be unknown to them.

Marilyn.

We may not know the will of God for His doings and it's none of our business, but we know His will for us. And mankind since the Garden has continually redefined right and wrong to suit their own purposes (conscience or otherwise) in spite of what God tells them to the contrary, yes?
 
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I disagree. No sacrifices are needed anymore.

Interpretation my friend.
Then it seems, if you are right, God wasted several chapters in Ezekiel telling us about a temple that will never be. Well, you are not right and God never wastes words! Thank God.

To God sin is a very BIG thing. He wants people to know sin is a very BIG thing. It has now been around 2000 years since Jesus died. If God wishes to sacrifice animals during the next 1000 years as a REMEMBRANCE of Jesus sacrifice - I will certainly not tell Him they are not needed! In fact, I hope I am there when you tell Jesus they are not needed anymore.
 
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Are you trying to say that all of the nations of the earth have not already been blessed by the Lord Jesus Christ?

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Hi BABerean,

I do not see all the nations blessed at this time. I see that they are under the way of the evil one as John tells us. `We know we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.` (1 John 5: 19)

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We may not know the will of God for His doings and it's none of our business, but we know His will for us. And mankind since the Garden has continually redefined right and wrong to suit their own purposes (conscience or otherwise) in spite of what God tells them to the contrary, yes?

Hi timothyu,

Since we have God`s word, the Bible we know more of God`s will and purposes. We are most blessed as people previously did not have this revelation.

And yes many people sear their conscience, however many also obey it and will obtain salvation because of that.

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The Explanation of "memorial Sacrifices" is not new to me, and really does not answer the fundamental problem for you, in that the sacrifices mentioned in Ezekiel 40-44 are the ones prescribed by Moses in the Mosaic Law. These are not "memorial sacrifices" by any stretch of the imagination. They are animal blood sacrifices for sin. Premillennialists (Cerinthians) are heading back to, *gasp*, animal blood sacrifices and circumcision of flesh (Ez 44:7,9). What a knock against the finished work of Christ. What a misunderstanding. You are fooling yourself about the temple sacrifices.. They are NOT Memorial, they are propitiatory and forever:

Ezekiel 40:39
In the porch of the gate were two tables on each side, on which to slaughter the burnt offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering.

Ezekiel 42:13
the priests who are near to the LORD shall eat the most holy things. There they shall lay the most holy things, the grain offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering;

Ezekiel 43:20
'You shall take some of its blood and put it on its four horns and on the four corners of the ledge and on the border round about; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.

Ezekiel 43:21
'You shall also take the bull for the sin offering

Ezekiel 43:22
'On the second day you shall offer a male goat without blemish for a sin offering

Ezekiel 43:27
'When they have completed the days, it shall be that on the eighth day and onward, the priests shall offer your burnt offerings on the altar, and your peace offerings; AND I WILL ACCEPT YOU

Ezekiel 44:9
'Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary.

Ezekiel 44:10
"But the Levites who went far from Me when Israel went astray, who went astray from Me after their idols, shall bear the punishment for their iniquity. Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having oversight at the gates of the house and ministering in the house; they shall slaughter the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people

Ezekiel 44:23
"Moreover, they shall teach My people the difference between the holy and the profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

Ezekiel 43:7
Son of man, this [stone temple] is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the sons of Israel forever.

All these offerings are the propitiatory offerings of the Mosaic Law that Jesus came to make obsolete forever. The teaching of a reinstitution of this blood sacrificial system is a rebuke against the blood of Jesus Christ, and a cause for anathema according to the apostles. A return to this system is a falling away from salvation, according to the apostles. A falling from the grace of Jesus Christ.
You have no other alternative then but to suggest that God wasted these chapters in the bible. Perhaps at that time, God did not know that Jesus would actually go through with shedding His blood for the sins of the world.

Sorry, I don't buy that. We both know that the blood of bulls and goats simply cannot take away sin, yet untold thousands of them were sacrificed to cover sin for a season. Why?
 
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Rom_4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

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Hi BABerean,

Yes how wonderful, and they are in the Body of Christ, the ekklesia, called out ones from Israel and the nations. They are NOT the nations, but the Body of Christ.

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Hi timothyu,

Since we have God`s word, the Bible we know more of God`s will and purposes. We are most blessed as people previously did not have this revelation.

Has not the revelation been there since the banishment from the Garden? God does not like man putting our will ahead of His. He is not keen on our self serving will which extends from Eve until today. He prefers selflessness.
 
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I found my way back to God and Christ in a Conservative synagogue. I was hanging on the threads of agnosticism and nearly atheist when they took me in. Love was the difference between then and now.

My smile has nothing to do with the end times. It's the joy of seeing my people live out their faith.

I'm formerly Muslim, as you know I believe. I had no love of the Jews..

But then I was saved and for the first time I saw the truth of us all. We are all lost, Jews the same as Muslims - just alike.. we all need the Messiah, because we are all sinners.. standing before God we are equal.

God gave me this life, this place and these people and I am home, truly home.

God gave you a place where you are home too, but that doesn't mean to be silent... you have something to share with your people.. not rejoice because they are lost.
 
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God gave you a place where you are home too, but that doesn't mean to be silent... you have something to share with your people.. not rejoice because they are lost.

I am happy to hear that you have found the Lord and have peace in His bosom. Many have sought to minister to Jews and have done unspeakable things that I dare not replicate. They won me with love and I will do the same and allow the Holy Spirit to move their hearts.

I can't save anyone. That's God's job. All that I can do is bear witness to my faith and be a living testimony to His grace. That exceeds any pamphlet, speech, or evangelism precept that's espoused.

Love covers every time.
 
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I can't save anyone.

That is true. Even most Christians do not understand that Jesus' Kingdom is opposite to the world of man and see no reason to leave the ways of this world behind. They also look for a worldly king that will rectify life as they know it, not reverse it..
 
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Has not the revelation been there since the banishment from the Garden? God does not like man putting our will ahead of His. He is not keen on our self serving will which extends from Eve until today. He prefers selflessness.

Hi timothyu,

I was meaning the revelation of who Christ is, and His Body (of Christ).

Marilyn.
 
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God gave you a place where you are home too, but that doesn't mean to be silent... you have something to share with your people.. not rejoice because they are lost.

I know you mean well by this statement. But it is the antithesis of the love I know and have lived. The love that met a broken person fresh from a foiled suicide attempt and loved her back to health even though she was a stranger to me before then.

Love didn't have me remind the atheist I've known for over 12 years how lost he is. It compelled me to pray and show love when he was at his best and worse. Turning the cheek more times than I can count.

Love didn't have me criticize the friend whose anxiety had her chewing Xanax like gum. It enabled me to show her a better way of coping and releasing her frustration that allowed her to stop taking them entirely.

Love has never compelled me to remind someone how messed up they are. Or the fill-in-the-blank descriptor commonly bandied in religious circles. Love drives me to meet them where they are and LOVE them.

Maybe I'm wrong. But I'd rather be wrong than cruel and unkind.
 
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Hi timothyu,

I was meaning the revelation of who Christ is, and His Body (of Christ).

Marilyn.
Understood but did not Jesus teach us to put God's will first before that of man this loving neighbour as self rather than seek gain at the expense of others? He is not just a saviour but came with a hard message of change.
 
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Understood but did not Jesus teach us to put God's will first before that of man this loving neighbour as self rather than seek gain at the expense of others? He is not just a saviour but came with a hard message of change.

Hi Timothyu,

Yes, I agree, and even those with only the understanding of their conscience would know that too.

Marilyn.
 
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Yes, I agree, and even those with only the understanding of their conscience would know that too.

Many forget the Holy Spirit is in the world as well. He pricked my conscience before I came to faith and I'm not the only one whose had that experience.
 
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Many forget the Holy Spirit is in the world as well. He pricked my conscience before I came to faith and I'm not the only one whose had that experience.

Hi LaBella,

Yes, it is the Holy Spirit that draws us to God, otherwise we`d all be lost. So glad you can testify to that.

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Hi LaBella,

Yes, it is the Holy Spirit that draws us to God, otherwise we`d all be lost. So glad you can testify to that.

Marilyn.

Indeed I can! Stand firm in your love. That is the winning formula. :)
 
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Then it seems, if you are right, God wasted several chapters in Ezekiel telling us about a temple that will never be. Well, you are not right and God never wastes words! Thank God.

To God sin is a very BIG thing. He wants people to know sin is a very BIG thing. It has now been around 2000 years since Jesus died. If God wishes to sacrifice animals during the next 1000 years as a REMEMBRANCE of Jesus sacrifice - I will certainly not tell Him they are not needed! In fact, I hope I am there when you tell Jesus they are not needed anymore.

Interpretation. Its how one interprets said passages!
 
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I am happy to hear that you have found the Lord and have peace in His bosom. Many have sought to minister to Jews and have done unspeakable things that I dare not replicate. They won me with love and I will do the same and allow the Holy Spirit to move their hearts.

I can't save anyone. That's God's job. All that I can do is bear witness to my faith and be a living testimony to His grace. That exceeds any pamphlet, speech, or evangelism precept that's espoused.

Love covers every time.

Would you be willing to join me in this thread?


Almost Half of Practicing Christian Millennials Say Evangelism Is Wrong

It's more on topic there..
 
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