A Biblical Case For Repentance

timothyu · Feb 6, 2019

Jason0047 said:
This really shouldn't be difficult to figure out. When the Bible talks about forgiveness, what do you think it generally is in reference to?

If you are still clueless, then check out my post #2.

Not clueless. Just was interested in your in your idea in a short sentence of what we needed forgiveness of

Carl Emerson · Feb 7, 2019

Is the 'Sinners Prayer Biblical'
I am interested in why the question was asked.
God chose to use a donkey to speak to a man.
Should the question not have been 'Can God use the Sinners Prayer'?
Should one soul be saved through repeating this prayer then we should all rejoice.
Bless you all.
Carl Emerson.

kkamagwi · Feb 7, 2019

Just_a_Christian said:
I do not know you, however I am sure you are fine person and desire to know God and to be known by Him. The following scripture should make every living soul on Earth to have some serious humility!!!!!
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. - Matthew 7:21-23
Please, listen to God's word. These people had FAITH and they did MANY WONDERFUL WORKS and yet they were not in communion with our Lord, "He says depart from me, ye workers of iniquity!". Apparently if these people had died at that moment they would not have gone to heaven, but unto everlasting punishment. What was the problem?? The verses following are the parable of the wise man that builds his house on a solid foundation. This wise man is compared to the person who hears the Lord and obeys Him. If he does what God tells him to do, he is wise and accepted. We can only know what God wants by the Bible only. Not what I say, not what Jason, Jim, Jerry or Judy says but what God says. Another scripture that says this very concept:
Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
The people above were teaching man's wisdom as doctrine and not obeying God. Not only must we have faith but we also must obey God, just as Abraham obeyed God, no matter what he was told to do. Just as two objects of mass can not occupy the same space at the same time --- we can not both be right. We can both be wrong, but we both can not be right. The Bible teaches the person who truly has faith, believes Jesus is the son of God, obeys God(not man)and loves his neighbor as himself will go to heaven.
In Him

There are spurious missionaries. Not all of those that publicly confess are true confessors. That the lips form Jesus' name will bring no one into the communion of those that are one with Jesus.

Among those that profess Jesus there are others, who've received Jesus in faith. They have power from him and can thus carry out God's will. The doing of said will thus becomes the standard by which mission's sincerity's tested.

Jesus calls God "My Father." In his humility he isn't seeking his own glory. He impresses upon his hearers the sacredness of God's revealed will; that should find expression in their lives.

On Judgment Day, many will plea on their own behalf. They'll point to deeds that have miracles' appearance. This will merit them nothing. Though they repeat the phrase "in your name," that phrase will prove their undoing.

For he, on his part, also has a profession to make. Perhaps they genuinely think that he should own them, acknowledge them, but he's of a different mind. He finds it necessary to expose their confession's meaninglessness.

Never has he known them. They've never become his intimates, their hearts were always far from him, they'd no faith.

So to him, their works prove them to be iniquity's workers, having used his name without right in carrying out something which he'd never sanctioned.

Their sentence's terrible. "Leave me,"; be separated from the salvation, the glory which intimacy with me implies. For in union with Jesus' heaven; in separation from him there's damnation.

Just_a_Christian · Feb 7, 2019

kkamagwi said:
There are spurious missionaries. Not all of those that publicly confess are true confessors. That the lips form Jesus' name will bring no one into the communion of those that are one with Jesus.

Among those that profess Jesus there are others, who've received Jesus in faith. They have power from him and can thus carry out God's will. The doing of said will thus becomes the standard by which mission's sincerity's tested.

Jesus calls God "My Father." In his humility he isn't seeking his own glory. He impresses upon his hearers the sacredness of God's revealed will; that should find expression in their lives.

On Judgment Day, many will plea on their own behalf. They'll point to deeds that have miracles' appearance. This will merit them nothing. Though they repeat the phrase "in your name," that phrase will prove their undoing.

For he, on his part, also has a profession to make. Perhaps they genuinely think that he should own them, acknowledge them, but he's of a different mind. He finds it necessary to expose their confession's meaninglessness.

Never has he known them. They've never become his intimates, their hearts were always far from him, they'd no faith.

So to him, their works prove them to be iniquity's workers, having used his name without right in carrying out something which he'd never sanctioned.

Their sentence's terrible. "Leave me,"; be separated from the salvation, the glory which intimacy with me implies. For in union with Jesus' heaven; in separation from him there's damnation.

I'm not sure if you are doing mission work of if you learned of Jesus from a missionary??? The mission work I'm familiar with teach directly from Gods word, the Bible. That is what I was attempting to point out to you and/or anyone who'll listen. God's word says one has to obey God to be saved, faith alone is unable to please God or save you.
In Him
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Just_a_Christian · Feb 7, 2019

kkamagwi said:
There are spurious missionaries. Not all of those that publicly confess are true confessors. That the lips form Jesus' name will bring no one into the communion of those that are one with Jesus.

Among those that profess Jesus there are others, who've received Jesus in faith. They have power from him and can thus carry out God's will. The doing of said will thus becomes the standard by which mission's sincerity's tested.

Jesus calls God "My Father." In his humility he isn't seeking his own glory. He impresses upon his hearers the sacredness of God's revealed will; that should find expression in their lives.

On Judgment Day, many will plea on their own behalf. They'll point to deeds that have miracles' appearance. This will merit them nothing. Though they repeat the phrase "in your name," that phrase will prove their undoing.

For he, on his part, also has a profession to make. Perhaps they genuinely think that he should own them, acknowledge them, but he's of a different mind. He finds it necessary to expose their confession's meaninglessness.

Never has he known them. They've never become his intimates, their hearts were always far from him, they'd no faith.

So to him, their works prove them to be iniquity's workers, having used his name without right in carrying out something which he'd never sanctioned.

Their sentence's terrible. "Leave me,"; be separated from the salvation, the glory which intimacy with me implies. For in union with Jesus' heaven; in separation from him there's damnation.

And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2 Thess. 1

kkamagwi · Feb 7, 2019

Just_a_Christian said:
I'm not sure if you are doing mission work of if you learned of Jesus from a missionary??? The mission work I'm familiar with teach directly from Gods word, the Bible. That is what I was attempting to point out to you and/or anyone who'll listen. God's word says one has to obey God to be saved, faith alone is unable to please God or save you.
In Him
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I'm a missionary here in Seosan, South Korea. That said, I consider all Christians to be missionaries.

Just_a_Christian · Feb 7, 2019

kkamagwi said:
I'm a missionary here in Seosan, South Korea. That said, I consider all Christians to be missionaries.

Yes, we are to spread the Truth. Having agreed on that, do you advocate faith only salvation?
In Him

Fidelibus · Feb 7, 2019

Just_a_Christian said:
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thessalonians 2:1-9

Paul here is of course speaking to the Christians at Thessaloniki and apparently they had been questions concerning the 2nd coming of Christ.

Thank you JaC for your response, and posting of these Scripture passages. However, Let's look at verses 1-3 a bit closer. Could you show where these these verses speak of a falling away of "all" the faithful of the Church?

If you believe the Bible to be the infallible work of God, which I do, this falling away is assured.

Infallible? No. Inerrant? Yes.

Depending upon who you ask the epistle was inspired around 52 AD, others will say around 95 AD. Paul further informs them/us that the process had already started at the time the epistle was penned. This abasement would require not just a few years but likely a few hundreds of years. Like very gradually pulling a blind over someone's eyes. There are a number of declarations which are glaring inconsistencies with the Bible. One merely needs to use google to find the date. On a side note: our 1st amendment of the constitution was done for a reason, contrary to popular opinion today, it was NOT to keep the church out of the government.
In Him

Again, I appreciate your responce JaC, but nowhere in this post do I see where you provided a firm date, authentic historical documents, or names of those who were involved in this Great Apostasy you speak of. I know you said I need to do is Google this information, but it was you that made this claim, so I feel it is you that needs to back up these claims with the information asked.

Like I said on post #144, after century after century of many genuine historical writings from historians and early Christian writers, there shouldn't be a problem with you showing a date as well as providing authentic historical documentation of the apostasy of the Catholic Church you speak of.

Thank You,

kkamagwi · Feb 7, 2019

Just_a_Christian said:
Yes, we are to spread the Truth. Having agreed on that, do you advocate faith only salvation?
In Him

Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 7, 2019

timothyu said:
Not clueless. Just was interested in your in your idea in a short sentence of what we needed forgiveness of

But your question is kind of like asking: "What do humans breath in order to live?" The obvious answer is oxygen, just as the obvious answer to forgiveness in the Bible relates to sin. In other words, the question you asked goes beyond common sense basics of what most people are aware of who live on planet Earth. Unless you just arrived on Earth, then I could see you asking that question. But is pretty common knowledge to the Christian and even many unbelievers.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 7, 2019

kkamagwi said:
Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

I believe we are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace through faith (a belief in Christ as our Savior and believing in His death and resurrection on our behalf (and not by "Works Alone"); Which most of the time includes seeking forgiveness with Jesus by way of prayer i.e. the "Sinner's Prayer") (Ephesians 2:8-9) (Titus 3:5) (Romans 4:2-5) (Romans 10:13). But after we are saved by God's grace through faith, we also need "works of faith" as a part of the salvation process, too. How so?

Well, here are a list of verses:

“Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, "(1 Timothy 6:3-4).

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2).

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).

"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).

“...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1).

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. (Galatians 5:16).

“That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22).

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).

“If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10).

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.” (Luke 10:25-28).

“...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” (Matthew 19:17-19).

"And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38).

”If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Matthew 16:24-26).

"...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62).

“Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8).

"Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21).

"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).

”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:12-15).

"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).

“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).

"...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17).

“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12).

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;” (Titus 2:11-12).

“...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22).

”Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matthew 25:34-40).

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:41-46).

”His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21).

”And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30).

”Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation [i.e. as the people of Israel did when they rebelled against him in the desert.”] (Hebrews 3:12-15) (Note: The explanation on verse 15 in brackets is taken from the Living Bible Translation (TLB)).

”Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)” (Hebrews 3:10-11).

”Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:11).

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

“He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47).

Now, if you read these pieces of Scripture above real slow and believe what they say plainly and really thought about what they say, you cannot in good conscience claim that we are saved by Faith Alone with no works of faith. For if you truly believe we are saved by Faith Alone in Christ, then you must accept the idea that a person can live the most immoral life possible and yet still be saved by having a belief on Jesus. But more than likely you don't believe that. So you do believe works of faith play a part in the salvation process. Most in your camp try to explain this away by saying that true believers are changed or regenerated so a true believer will automatically do the right thing. But this is not the case. We are told to endure in our faith until the end. We are told to overcome as a part of eternal life.

"But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" Hebrews 3:13-14.

"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12.

"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Matthew 24:13.

"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." Revelation 2:10.

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Revelation 2:7.

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." Revelation 2:11.

"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." Revelation 3:5.

"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." Jude 1:21.

So we can conclude that Faith + Works of Faith = Salvation; And it is not by Faith Alone (without works of faith) in Christ.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 7, 2019

Carl Emerson said:
Is the 'Sinners Prayer Biblical'
I am interested in why the question was asked.
God chose to use a donkey to speak to a man.
Should the question not have been 'Can God use the Sinners Prayer'?
Should one soul be saved through repeating this prayer then we should all rejoice.
Bless you all.
Carl Emerson.

There are many who say that the Sinner's Prayer is false or heresy. Others say that the Bible does not teach it and yet God can still use it to save people. But the Bible does teach the Sinner's Prayer. In my post #2 of this thread, I have laid forth a biblical case in defense of the meaning of "repentance." (Which is another way of saying: "Seeking forgiveness with God", which can include the "Sinner's Prayer").

Just_a_Christian · Feb 7, 2019

Fidelibus said:
Thank you JaC for your response, and posting of these Scripture passages. However, Let's look at verses 1-3 a bit closer. Could you show where these these verses speak of a falling away of "all" the faithful of the Church?

For the record, I said the church, for that is the subject of the scripture quoted. Jesus only established one church. I did not say all faithful, for the gates of Hades would have then prevailed, and it did not. Since creation, there has been at least a remnant of God's people, lest we forget God's plan of salvation for mankind has existed since the beginning.

Fidelibus said:
Infallible? No. Inerrant? Yes.

You seem to be somewhat splitting hairs here. Seeing that the nature of God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, He has insured that all I need to be pleasing unto Him is His written word, the Bible.
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 3:15-17
Another trait of God is that since He is God, He is unable to lie and He changes not. If you do not believe in the God that I do and that the Bible is sufficient for salvation, then sadly we have nothing further to discuss. I do hope that is not the case!

Fidelibus said:
Again, I appreciate your responce JaC, but nowhere in this post do I see where you provided a firm date, authentic historical documents, or names of those who were involved in this Great Apostasy you speak of. I know you said I need to do is Google this information, but it was you that made this claim, so I feel it is you that needs to back up these claims with the information asked.

Once again, do you not believe that the Bible is a historical document; I believe it is our best, by far. Do you not believe that Paul was a real man, inspired by the Almighty? If we can agree on some absolute truths, most if not all I've already mentioned, i.e., God, His word and the nature of both, the only items I would add is this -- that this discussion be conducted by two rational yet open minded individuals, for acts of futility I have no time.
A rational, God fearing man will keep the following scripture close to the heart.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 7:21
Also, we should probably have the discussion behind the scenes, if you will, because there are those on here with thin skin and, at the least, the post will be censored/deleted.

God Bless
In Him

timothyu · Feb 7, 2019

Jason0047 said:
just as the obvious answer to forgiveness in the Bible relates to sin.

Exactly.. and what is sin by your definition?

Concord1968 · Feb 7, 2019

David Cabrera said:
I didn't know God told us to be hippies.

Hmmmmm. Look up the title "Christian Anarchism", closely related to "non-creedalism". I'm noticing a LOT of it on this forum in recent months.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 7, 2019

timothyu said:
Exactly.. and what is sin by your definition?

There is no such thing as my definition, but only the Bible’s definition.

The Bible says,
“...sin is the transgression of the law.”
(1 John 3:4).

timothyu · Feb 7, 2019

Jason0047 said:
There is no such thing as my definition, but only the Bible’s definition.

The Bible says,
“...sin is the transgression of the law.”

Which is?

Just_a_Christian · Feb 7, 2019

Jason0047 said:
There is no such thing as my definition, but only the Bible’s definition.

The Bible says,
“...sin is the transgression of the law.”
(1 John 3:4).

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. - Mark 16:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins- Acts 22:16
And by baptism our past sins are forgiven calling on the name of the Lord or which is to say by His authority.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. - Matthew 28:19-20
You're right Jason, the Bible says exactly what it says.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 7, 2019

timothyu said:
Which is?

Which is what?

That's like wanting more of a definition for a word.

That would be like telling you what a cat is.... and then saying... "which is?" Then I would say.... Which is a cat. In this case... I would say to you... Which is sin.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 7, 2019

Just_a_Christian said:
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. - Mark 16:16

It does not say he that is not baptized is condemned. It says he that does not believe is condemned.
We see examples of those who were saved without baptism, as well.

You said:
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins- Acts 22:16
And by baptism our past sins are forgiven calling on the name of the Lord or which is to say by His authority.

Very clever in the way that you snipped that verse. It's actually says:

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts of the Apostles 22:16).

In other words, it is saying to wash away your sins calling on the name of the Lord. It is saying it is something future that Paul will have the capacity to do (see 1 John 2:1 and 1 John 1:9).

You said:
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. - Matthew 28:19-20
You're right Jason, the Bible says exactly what it says.

Right, it is a command, but not all commands are a salvation issue. For example: There is a sin unto death and a sin not unto death (1 John 5:16-17). Sin is merely transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4).

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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