The Free Will of Pharaoh--- Exodus---Did he have a choice?

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In Exodus chapter 3 Moses is confronted by YHWH and told the following:

Exodus 3: NASB
17“So I said, I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt to the land of the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Amorite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, to a land flowing with milk and honey.”’ 18“They will pay heed to what you say; and you with the elders of Israel will come to the king of Egypt and you will say to him, ‘The LORD, the God of the Hebrews, has met with us. So now, please, let us go a three days’ journey into the wilderness, that we may sacrifice to the LORD our God.’ 19“But I know that the king of Egypt will not permit you to go, except under compulsion. 20“So I will stretch out My hand and strike Egypt with all My miracles which I shall do in the midst of it; and after that he will let you go. 21“I will grant this people favor in the sight of the Egyptians; and it shall be that when you go, you will not go empty-handed. 22“But every woman shall ask of her neighbor and the woman who lives in her house, articles of silver and articles of gold, and clothing; and you will put them on your sons and daughters. Thus you will plunder the Egyptians.”

This demonstrates Israel will be let go but the king of Egypt (Pharaoh) would not permit such except under compulsion. Seems Pharaoh is going to have a 'battle of wills' with YHWH and lose. This stated well before the events occur. Stated again in chapter 6:

Then the LORD said to Moses, “Now you shall see what I will do to Pharaoh; for under compulsion he will let them go, and under compulsion he will drive them out of his land.” (Exodus 6:1)

Continuing in Exodus...


Exodus 7: NASB
1Then the LORD said to Moses, “See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet. 2“You shall speak all that I command you, and your brother Aaron shall speak to Pharaoh that he let the sons of Israel go out of his land. 3“But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart that I may multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt. 4“When Pharaoh does not listen to you, then I will lay My hand on Egypt and bring out My hosts, My people the sons of Israel, from the land of Egypt by great judgments. 5“The Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I stretch out My hand on Egypt and bring out the sons of Israel from their midst.” 6So Moses and Aaron did it; as the LORD commanded them, thus they did. 7Moses was eighty years old and Aaron eighty-three, when they spoke to Pharaoh.
Here we see YHWH will harden Pharaoh's heart so that God's signs and wonders will multiple in the land thus glorifying God. At this point, we see the compulsion mentioned in chapters 3 and 6 is accomplished by God hardening Pharaoh's heart. This continues for each plague brought upon by God on the land of Egypt:

Exodus 8: NASB
16Then the LORD said to Moses, “Say to Aaron, ‘Stretch out your staff and strike the dust of the earth, that it may become gnats through all the land of Egypt.’” 17They did so; and Aaron stretched out his hand with his staff, and struck the dust of the earth, and there were gnats on man and beast. All the dust of the earth became gnats through all the land of Egypt. 18The magicians tried with their secret arts to bring forth gnats, but they could not; so there were gnats on man and beast. 19Then the magicians said to Pharaoh, “This is the finger of God.” But Pharaoh’s heart was hardened, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had said.

Mission accomplished, right? God said Pharaoh would not let the people go without compulsion, God said He would harden Pharaoh's heart and we see above he acted as such as his heart was hardened.

So the question is what kind of free will did Pharaoh exercise during the deliverance of Israel by God chapters of the book of Exodus?

If one wants to answer this a different way...Did Pharaoh choose to do what he did?
 

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God hardening pharaoh's heart may very well be a metaphorical because, if factual, it makes God to blame for the whole thing. On the other hand, the Exodus, is looking more and more like a tribal mythology.
 
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God hardening pharaoh's heart may very well be a metaphorical because, if factual, it makes God to blame for the whole thing. On the other hand, the Exodus, is looking more and more like a tribal mythology.
Ok I ask for the purposes of the OP if you can try real hard to see the events as historical. Your position would be that if God truly hardened Pharaoh's heart as indicated in Exodus, then God would be to blame for all the events and deaths?
 
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So the question is what kind of free will did Pharaoh exercise during the deliverance of Israel by God chapters of the book of Exodus?

If one wants to answer this a different way...Did Pharaoh choose to do what he did?

Ok I ask for the purposes of the OP if you can try real hard to see the events as historical. Your position would be that if God truly hardened Pharaoh's heart as indicated in Exodus, then God would be to blame for all the events and deaths?

The Bible passage makes it clear that pharaoh really had no free will because "God hardened his heart". Hence, my comment about the phrase being a figure of speech.
 
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I believe Pharaoh chose. When God hardens our hearts He simply gives us over to our own depravity.

Romans 1:24

"Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts......"

Romans 1:28

"...just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done."

Hebrews 3:7-11

So, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, … during the time of testing in the desert, where your fathers tested and tried me and for forty years saw what I did. … So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.'"

Pharaoh wasn't prevented from doing good. His heart was hard so God did the worst thing imaginable: gave him over to his own sin.
 
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I believe Pharaoh chose. When God hardens our hearts He simply gives us over to our own depravity.

Romans 1:24

"Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts......"

Romans 1:28

"...just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done."

Hebrews 3:7-11

So, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, … during the time of testing in the desert, where your fathers tested and tried me and for forty years saw what I did. … So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.'"

Pharaoh wasn't prevented from doing good. His heart was hard so God did the worst thing imaginable: gave him over to his own sin.
Would another way of saying this be: Pharaoh acted according to the will of his nature? He freely chose but it was in bondage?
 
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I believe Pharaoh chose. When God hardens our hearts He simply gives us over to our own depravity.

Romans 1:24

"Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts......"

Romans 1:28

"...just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done."

Hebrews 3:7-11

So, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, … during the time of testing in the desert, where your fathers tested and tried me and for forty years saw what I did. … So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.'"

Pharaoh wasn't prevented from doing good. His heart was hard so God did the worst thing imaginable: gave him over to his own sin.

So you disagree with the Bible and God didn't really harden his heart.
 
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The Bible passage makes it clear that pharaoh really had no free will because "God hardened his heart". Hence, my comment about the phrase being a figure of speech.
How would we apply this if it a figure of speech? As in God's will, will overcome the will of man when in conflict?
 
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How would we apply this if it a figure of speech? As in God's will, will overcome the will of man when in conflict?

It is another way of saying that God is in control.
 
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It is another way of saying that God is in control.
Ok I can see that as an interpretation of the text. But is it deeper or as simple as you make it? Meaning by saying "God is in control" what does that entail and mean to we hu-mans?
 
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So you disagree with the Bible and God didn't really harden his heart.
I believe the verses @Hazelelponi quoted show that God gave those who loved their sin over to their sinful desires. Are we to assume this differs with Pharaoh?
 
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The exegesis of the Church History and theology for 1500 years and not the eisegesis of a modern Western idea of Christianity.
Would you like to share such commentary as it relates to Exodus?
 
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