Being filled with the Holy Spirit vs tongues

YeshuaFan · Feb 6, 2019

ViaCrucis said:
Scripture says "God is spirit" because He is invisible and can't be restricted to one geographical location. The one Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and of the Son, He is called variously "the Spirit of God", "the Spirit of Christ", "the Spirit of [God's] Son", the "Spirit of truth", "the Paraclete", etc. He is distinct from both the Father and the Son, as He proceeds from the Father and through the Son.

The flesh was human. That flesh and human nature belonged to a Person who is God, Jesus Christ. His humanity was not a suit that He inhabited, but is as much actual to Him as His Deity. For there is one Person of Jesus Christ, of two natures, both God and man, undivided and unconfused.

The Logos is the Son, two terms for the same Person. He was in the beginning with God His Father, and is Himself also God. As we continue to read that He is "in the bosom of the Father".

It is impossible to separate the three Persons from one another. So the Son is not God apart from the Father, but is God from the Father, and He is God with the Spirit. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, not three Gods, but one God. For the Son receives His Being from the Father, so that He is God of God; and likewise the Holy Spirit receives His Being from the Father, with the Son. So that the Father is unbegotten and proceeds from none, the Son is only-begotten of the Father, and the Spirit proceeds from the Father through the Son. One God, without division, without separation; three Persons, real and distinct.

Jesus Christ died, and Jesus Christ is both God and human; and because Christ died, yes God died. God who cannot die, did in fact die. God who cannot suffer, did suffer. Because in Christ there is a perfect union of Deity and humanity. Christ cannot be divided. There is no "divine Jesus" and "human Jesus" there is only Jesus, and Jesus is both God and human.

The Holy Spirit did not die, Jesus Christ died. The Holy Spirit did not become flesh, so did not suffer or die.

No mistake. God ascended to God, God sat down at the right hand of God. The Son, who is God, is seated at the right hand of God His Father. So that, just as the Lord Himself spoke of in His High Priestly Prayer, "Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began." He who from all eternity is God of God, who united human nature to Himself in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Theotokos, becoming one with us, has ascended and sits at the right hand of power and glory at the Father's side--as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.

-CryptoLutheran

The prologue of John makes it extremely clear to us in its Greek construction that Jesus was a person who was fully God, and yet was not the same Person as the Father!

YeshuaFan · Feb 6, 2019

New Birth said:
What about the scripture? Would you place a man made tradition and doctrine above the word of God just because its an established doctrine held by the Church? "What Church exactly?" there are so many. The trinity doctrine came about no earlier than the second or third century and is not found in scripture. I would say its heresy. also the belief that one can be saved without the baptism of the Holy Ghost is heresy.

You 2 views are heresy, as we are justified before God by receiving the Lord Jesus by faith alone, regardless if one speak in tongues or not, and the Bible itself calls the Father God, Jesus God, and Holy Spirit God, and when Jesus was water baptized, all 3 persons were there!

YeshuaFan · Feb 6, 2019

New Birth said:
God is not a person. God is a Spirit. Where in the bible does it say God is a person?

Is Jesus God, is he not a person?

New Birth · Feb 6, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
One Holy Spirit
Jesus is both fully God and fully Man
God was on earth talking to Abraham, but at same time God was in heaven raining down judgment, how can that be if Oneness true?
There was the Word, the Logos with the father, someone who was also God, but was NOT God the father!
Jesus died physically upon the Cross in His body, so he died as a man, but still was alive as God/Man in His natures!!

Is God omnipresent? Can God be all places at once?
The scripture does not say the Logos was with the Father, if that the case the third clause of John 1:1 was say "and the Logos was the Father". Would you agree with this?
Yes Jesus died on the cross. but his Spirit did not die because his Spirit was the Spirit of God, is that correct? How many Spirits of God are there concerning Father Son and Holy Spirit?

New Birth · Feb 6, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
You 2 views are heresy, as we are justified before God by receiving the Lord Jesus by faith alone, regardless if one speak in tongues or not, and the Bible itself calls the Father God, Jesus God, and Holy Spirit God, and when Jesus was water baptized, all 3 persons were there!

So you dont believe you must receive the Holy Ghost to be saved?
You believe there are three distinct people in the godhead they are all coequal, co-eternal, and are of the same essence that is spirit. is that one spirit or three?

New Birth · Feb 6, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
Is Jesus God, is he not a person?

Jesus is a person.
Is the Holy Spirit a person?

YeshuaFan · Feb 6, 2019

New Birth said:
Is God omnipresent? Can God be all places at once?
The scripture does not say the Logos was with the Father, if that the case the third clause of John 1:1 was say "and the Logos was the Father". Would you agree with this?
Yes Jesus died on the cross. but his Spirit did not die because his Spirit was the Spirit of God, is that correct? How many Spirits of God are there concerning Father Son and Holy Spirit?

John stated that the word was with the Father, and yet was not the Father!
His point was that Jesus was/is fully God, but was not the Father...
Jesus had/has two natures, very God and very Man, he is not the Holy Spirit in a bodily form!

New Birth · Feb 6, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
John stated that the word was with the Father, and yet was not the Father!
His point was that Jesus was/is fully God, but was not the Father...
Jesus had/has two natures, very God and very Man, he is not the Holy Spirit in a bodily form!

Again where does John 1:1 say the Word was with the "Father"?
How many Spirits? Father, Son , Holy Spirit? 1, 2, 3?

Der Alte · Feb 6, 2019

New Birth said:
Jesus is a person.
Is the Holy Spirit a person?

Personal characteristics of the Holy Spirit, Access to God, Anoints for Service, Assures, Authors Scripture, Baptizes, Believers Born of, Calls and Commissions, Cleanses, Comforts, Communion with believers, Convicts of sin, Counsels, Creates, Empowers, Empowers Believers, Fellowship with believers, Fills, Forbids action, Gives gifts, Glorifies Christ, Guides in truth, Helps our weakness, Indwells believers, Inspires prayer, Intercedes, Interprets Scripture, Leads, Liberates, Molds Character, Produces fruit, Raises from the dead, Regenerates, Reveals, Sanctifies, Seals, Sends, Sent, Strengthens, Testifies of Jesus, Victory over flesh, Warns, Worship helper
The Holy Spirit
.....The Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity. He is fully God. He is eternal, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, has a distinct will, a distinct mind, a distinct self, and can speak. He is alive. He is a person. He is not particularly visible in the Bible because His ministry is to bear witness of Jesus (John 15:26).
…..Some heterodox religious groups such as the Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., claim e.g. that the Holy Spirit is nothing but an impersonal force (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 406-407). This is totally false. If the Holy Spirit was merely an impersonal force or power, He could not speak (Acts 13:2); He could not be grieved (Eph 4:30); and He would not have a will (1 Cor 12:11), a self, (John 16:13), or a mind, (Rom 8:27).
…..There are, at least, seventy two (72) personal characteristics or attributes, listed in scripture for the Holy Spirit and He is a person the same as the Father and the Son are, within the Trinity.

Names of the Spirit
1. God -Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4, Acts of the Apostles 28:25-27, Hebrews 3:7-11, Hebrews 10:15-17
2. Lord - 2 Corinthians 3:18
3. Spirit - 1 Corinthians 2:10
4. Spirit of God - 1 Corinthians 3:16
5. Spirit of Truth - John 15:26
6. Eternal Spirit - Hebrews 9:14
Attributes of (9)
7. Eternal –Hebrews 9:14
8. Omnipotent - Luke 1:35
9. Omnipresent - Psalms 139:7-8
10. Distinct will from the father and the son– 1 Corinthians 12:11
11. Loves - Romans 15:30
12. Speaks - Acts of the Apostles 8:29; Acts of the Apostles 13:2
13. Distinct mind from the father and the son – Romans 8:27
14. Distinct self from the father and the son – John 16:13
15. Alive – John 14:17
Symbols of (3)
16. Dove - Matthew 3:15
17. Wind - John 3:5
18. Fire - Acts of the Apostles 2:3
Sins Against (6)
19. Blasphemy - Matthew 12:31
20. Resist (Unbelief) - Acts of the Apostles 7:51
21. Insult - Hebrews 10:29
22. Lied to - Acts of the Apostles 5:3
23. Grieved - Ephesians 4:30
24. Quench - 1 Thessalonians 5:19
Power in Christ's Life (6)
25. Conceived of - Matthew 1:18-20
26. Baptism - Matthew 3:15
27. Led by - Luke 4:1
28. Filled with Power - Luke 4:14,18
29. Witness of Jesus - John 15:26
30. Raised Jesus - Romans 8:11
The Works of the Holy Spirit (42)
1 Access to God - Ephesians 2:18
2 Anoints for Service - Luke 4:18
3 Assures - Romans 8:15-16; Galatians 4:6
4 Authors Scripture - 2 Peter 1:20-21
5 Baptizes - John 1:32-34; 1 Corinthians 12:13-14
6 Believers Born of - John 3:3-6
7 Calls and Commissions - Acts of the Apostles 13:24; Acts of the Apostles 20:28
8 Cleanses - 2 Thessalonians 3:13; 1 Peter 1:2
9 Comforts - Acts of the Apostles 9:31
10 Communion with believers – 2 Corinthians 13:14
11 Convicts of sin - John 16:9,14
12 Counsels - John 14:16
13 Creates - Genesis 1:2; Job 33:4
14 Empowers - 1 Thessalonians 1:5
15 Empowers Believers - Luke 24:49
16 Fellowship with believers – Philippians 2:1
17 Fills - Acts of the Apostles 2:4; Acts of the Apostles 4:29-31; Acts of the Apostles 5:18-20; Acts of the Apostles 9:17
18 Forbids action - Acts of the Apostles 16:6
19 Gives gifts - 1 Corinthians 12:8-11
20 Glorifies Christ - John 16:14
21 Guides in truth - John 16:13
22 Helps our weakness - Romans 8:26
23 Indwells believers - Romans 8:9-14; Galatians 4:6
24 Inspires prayer – Ephesians 6:18; Jude 1:20
25 Intercedes -Romans 8:26
26 Interprets Scripture - 1 Corinthians 2:1,14; Ephesians 1:17
27 Leads - Romans 8:14
28 Liberates - Romans 8:2
29 Molds Character - Galatians 5:22-23
30 Produces fruit - Galatians 5:22-23
31 Raises from the dead - Romans 8:11
32 Regenerates - Titus 3:5
33 Reveals – Luke 2:26
34 Sanctifies - Romans 15:16
35 Seals - Ephesians 1:13-14; Ephesians 4:30
36 Sends - Acts of the Apostles 13:4
37 Sent - Galatians 4:6; 1 Peter 1:12
38 Strengthens - Ephesians 3:16; Acts of the Apostles 1:8; 2:4; 1 Corinthians 2:4
39 Testifies of Jesus - John 15:26
40 Victory over flesh - Romans 8:2-4; Galatians 4:6
41 Warns – Acts of the Apostles 20:23
42 Worship helper – Philippians 3:3
[91] Total scripture

Sources Consulted:
CARM.org
DTL.org/Trinity

Saint Steven · Feb 6, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
There was no mentioning in the scriptures of paul speaking in tongues when either converted or when he was filled by the Holy Spirit though!

Right. So does that mean he did, or he didn't?

At the time of his conversion was it newsworthy to speak in tongues, or commonplace?
What was the typical result of someone having hands laid on them for their filling of the Spirit? Tongues, or no tongues?

Saint Steven · Feb 6, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
Heresy is anything that deviates from orthodox established doctrines/theology historically held by the Church, so a view for example that Jesus is Not fully God is heresy, that God is not a Trinity, that Jesus did not physically rise from the dead etc!

Right. Were Jesus' teaching considered unorthodox by the religious leaders of his day?
If so, wouldn't that make him a heretic by definition?

New Birth · Feb 6, 2019

Der Alter said:
Personal characteristics of the Holy Spirit, Access to God, Anoints for Service, Assures, Authors Scripture, Baptizes, Believers Born of, Calls and Commissions, Cleanses, Comforts, Communion with believers, Convicts of sin, Counsels, Creates, Empowers, Empowers Believers, Fellowship with believers, Fills, Forbids action, Gives gifts, Glorifies Christ, Guides in truth, Helps our weakness, Indwells believers, Inspires prayer, Intercedes, Interprets Scripture, Leads, Liberates, Molds Character, Produces fruit, Raises from the dead, Regenerates, Reveals, Sanctifies, Seals, Sends, Sent, Strengthens, Testifies of Jesus, Victory over flesh, Warns, Worship helper
The Holy Spirit
.....The Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity. He is fully God. He is eternal, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, has a distinct will, a distinct mind, a distinct self, and can speak. He is alive. He is a person. He is not particularly visible in the Bible because His ministry is to bear witness of Jesus (John 15:26).
…..Some heterodox religious groups such as the Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., claim e.g. that the Holy Spirit is nothing but an impersonal force (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 406-407). This is totally false. If the Holy Spirit was merely an impersonal force or power, He could not speak (Acts 13:2); He could not be grieved (Eph 4:30); and He would not have a will (1 Cor 12:11), a self, (John 16:13), or a mind, (Rom 8:27).
…..There are, at least, seventy two (72) personal characteristics or attributes, listed in scripture for the Holy Spirit and He is a person the same as the Father and the Son are, within the Trinity.

Names of the Spirit
1. God -Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4, Acts of the Apostles 28:25-27, Hebrews 3:7-11, Hebrews 10:15-17
2. Lord - 2 Corinthians 3:18
3. Spirit - 1 Corinthians 2:10
4. Spirit of God - 1 Corinthians 3:16
5. Spirit of Truth - John 15:26
6. Eternal Spirit - Hebrews 9:14
Attributes of (9)
7. Eternal –Hebrews 9:14
8. Omnipotent - Luke 1:35
9. Omnipresent - Psalms 139:7-8
10. Distinct will from the father and the son– 1 Corinthians 12:11
11. Loves - Romans 15:30
12. Speaks - Acts of the Apostles 8:29; Acts of the Apostles 13:2
13. Distinct mind from the father and the son – Romans 8:27
14. Distinct self from the father and the son – John 16:13
15. Alive – John 14:17
Symbols of (3)
16. Dove - Matthew 3:15
17. Wind - John 3:5
18. Fire - Acts of the Apostles 2:3
Sins Against (6)
19. Blasphemy - Matthew 12:31
20. Resist (Unbelief) - Acts of the Apostles 7:51
21. Insult - Hebrews 10:29
22. Lied to - Acts of the Apostles 5:3
23. Grieved - Ephesians 4:30
24. Quench - 1 Thessalonians 5:19
Power in Christ's Life (6)
25. Conceived of - Matthew 1:18-20
26. Baptism - Matthew 3:15
27. Led by - Luke 4:1
28. Filled with Power - Luke 4:14,18
29. Witness of Jesus - John 15:26
30. Raised Jesus - Romans 8:11
The Works of the Holy Spirit (42)
1 Access to God - Ephesians 2:18
2 Anoints for Service - Luke 4:18
3 Assures - Romans 8:15-16; Galatians 4:6
4 Authors Scripture - 2 Peter 1:20-21
5 Baptizes - John 1:32-34; 1 Corinthians 12:13-14
6 Believers Born of - John 3:3-6
7 Calls and Commissions - Acts of the Apostles 13:24; Acts of the Apostles 20:28
8 Cleanses - 2 Thessalonians 3:13; 1 Peter 1:2
9 Comforts - Acts of the Apostles 9:31
10 Communion with believers – 2 Corinthians 13:14
11 Convicts of sin - John 16:9,14
12 Counsels - John 14:16
13 Creates - Genesis 1:2; Job 33:4
14 Empowers - 1 Thessalonians 1:5
15 Empowers Believers - Luke 24:49
16 Fellowship with believers – Philippians 2:1
17 Fills - Acts of the Apostles 2:4; Acts of the Apostles 4:29-31; Acts of the Apostles 5:18-20; Acts of the Apostles 9:17
18 Forbids action - Acts of the Apostles 16:6
19 Gives gifts - 1 Corinthians 12:8-11
20 Glorifies Christ - John 16:14
21 Guides in truth - John 16:13
22 Helps our weakness - Romans 8:26
23 Indwells believers - Romans 8:9-14; Galatians 4:6
24 Inspires prayer – Ephesians 6:18; Jude 1:20
25 Intercedes -Romans 8:26
26 Interprets Scripture - 1 Corinthians 2:1,14; Ephesians 1:17
27 Leads - Romans 8:14
28 Liberates - Romans 8:2
29 Molds Character - Galatians 5:22-23
30 Produces fruit - Galatians 5:22-23
31 Raises from the dead - Romans 8:11
32 Regenerates - Titus 3:5
33 Reveals – Luke 2:26
34 Sanctifies - Romans 15:16
35 Seals - Ephesians 1:13-14; Ephesians 4:30
36 Sends - Acts of the Apostles 13:4
37 Sent - Galatians 4:6; 1 Peter 1:12
38 Strengthens - Ephesians 3:16; Acts of the Apostles 1:8; 2:4; 1 Corinthians 2:4
39 Testifies of Jesus - John 15:26
40 Victory over flesh - Romans 8:2-4; Galatians 4:6
41 Warns – Acts of the Apostles 20:23
42 Worship helper – Philippians 3:3
[91] Total scripture
Sources Consulted:
CARM.org
DTL.org/Trinity

Many of the terms and actions listed are not attributes of the Hosy Spirit alone but many we could say would apply to Jesus. And Im sure you see this and would agree.
Question, In your opinion, In heaven is there a separation of the Father, Son, and Spirit?
We all agree that God is Spirit, but how many Spirits is God? Is the Spirit of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit the selfsame Spirit or is there a distinction in spirits or is the distinction of purpose and manifestation?

Hillsage · Feb 6, 2019

New Birth said:
Funny that you would dictate how someone is to reply to your post. Your post is only opinion and misunderstood scriptures. Im not sure that anyone would agree to your opinion about who Jesus is.

I'm dictating with him because I've chased him around the ring for 10 rounds, a hundred times, trying to get him to ever back up 'his unsubstantiated OPINION' with scripture. And if you check, #1270, he did it again. That's why I dictated what I did. I"m tired of his stinkin thinkin opinions. And I'm more resolved now...again...to never respond to him for that very reason.

FWIW, I don't care what anyone's opinion is, if they can't support it with a scripture. Even if I don't agree with their use of scripture, as you just did with me. On the day of judgment God isn't going to judge me for what I believed, He is going to judge me for 'who I believed in' and then how I walked. So I'm not offended you disagree, I truly do understand. But I don't care what 'man believes' and that's why I come to Christian type forums years ago. I believed that if anyone could refute with scripture then this would be the place to be challenged.

In this post you have four distinct persons in the supposed trinity Father, Spirit of Christ, Holy Spirit, and Word. You may want to rethink your position.

Actually, if you reread my last post, that's not true. I specifically said

the Father and the Word and the Holy Spirit were all one spirit, one God.

I do believe the triune spirit of God is 'one' and the spirit of Christ is another. So you now have something to scripturally refute IMO. Feel free to 'show' my misuse of scripture . Show me one scripture proving that the spirit of Christ is one spirit of the triune Godhead and not just a "son" spirit just as I also showed in my last post when I quoted;

ROM 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness/homoioma of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

Let me unpack my thinking. The WORD was the sinful FLESH of Jesus, but the spirit of Christ in the FLESH of Jesus wasn't GOD. The spirit of Christ IN Jesus is what made Him a 'Son of the FATHER' in Rom 8:3. And the sinful FLESH is what made Jesus a "son of man" after the flesh.

HEB 12:9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?

If having the spirit of Christ in his sinful fleshed body made Jesus GOD, as you just said 'I believe' above, then so also are we GOD when the spirit of Christ dwells in our sinful flesh bodies. To which, I disagree. What I do believe is this; I believe scripture which says Jesus was 'originally made' just like 'we become', AFTER we received 'the spirit of Christ at our spirit's rebirth'. It was 'then' that we became a "brethren" of Christ;

HEB 2:17 Therefore he/JESUS had to be made like his brethren in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make expiation for the sins of the people.

So, if Jesus was made like unto us "IN EVERY RESPECT" at his birth, then when we were born again we should also be fully man and fully God' just like He was "in every respect". My theology doesn't support that stinkin thinkin view. But it is the spirit of Christ in us, which makes us 'sons of God' just like Jesus was in his spirit at birth.

I'll stop. I hate long posts.

Der Alte · Feb 6, 2019

New Birth said:
Many of the terms and actions listed are not attributes of the Hosy Spirit alone but many we could say would apply to Jesus. And Im sure you see this and would agree.
Question, In your opinion, In heaven is there a separation of the Father, Son, and Spirit?
We all agree that God is Spirit, but how many Spirits is God? Is the Spirit of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit the selfsame Spirit or is there a distinction in spirits or is the distinction of purpose and manifestation?

That may or may not be so, the point is the scriptures I referenced posit all those attributes to the Holy Spirit. I don't concern myself with things like "how many Spirits of God." etc.

New Birth · Feb 6, 2019

Der Alter said:
That may or may not be so, the point is the scriptures I referenced posit all those attributes to the Holy Spirit. I don't concern myself with things like "how many Spirits of God." etc.

great discourse guy.

New Birth · Feb 6, 2019

Hillsage said:
I'm dictating with him because I've chased him around the ring for 10 rounds, a hundred times, trying to get him to ever back up 'his unsubstantiated OPINION' with scripture. And if you check, #1270, he did it again. That's why I dictated what I did. I"m tired of his stinkin thinkin opinions. And I'm more resolved now...again...to never respond to him for that very reason.

FWIW, I don't care what anyone's opinion is, if they can't support it with a scripture. Even if I don't agree with their use of scripture, as you just did with me. On the day of judgment God isn't going to judge me for what I believed, He is going to judge me for 'who I believed in' and then how I walked. So I'm not offended you disagree, I truly do understand. But I don't care what 'man believes' and that's why I come to Christian type forums years ago. I believed that if anyone could refute with scripture then this would be the place to be challenged.

Actually, if you reread my last post, that's not true. I specifically said

I do believe the triune spirit of God is 'one' and the spirit of Christ is another. So you now have something to scripturally refute IMO. Feel free to 'show' my misuse of scripture . Show me one scripture proving that the spirit of Christ is one spirit of the triune Godhead and not just a "son" spirit just as I also showed in my last post when I quoted;

ROM 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness/homoioma of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

Let me unpack my thinking. The WORD was the sinful FLESH of Jesus, but the spirit of Christ in the FLESH of Jesus wasn't GOD. The spirit of Christ IN Jesus is what made Him a 'Son of the FATHER' in Rom 8:3. And the sinful FLESH is what made Jesus a "son of man" after the flesh.

HEB 12:9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?

If having the spirit of Christ in his sinful fleshed body made Jesus GOD, as you just said 'I believe' above, then so also are we GOD when the spirit of Christ dwells in our sinful flesh bodies. To which, I disagree. What I do believe is this; I believe scripture which says Jesus was 'originally made' just like 'we become', AFTER we received 'the spirit of Christ at our spirit's rebirth'. It was 'then' that we became a "brethren" of Christ;

HEB 2:17 Therefore he/JESUS had to be made like his brethren in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make expiation for the sins of the people.

So, if Jesus was made like unto us "IN EVERY RESPECT" at his birth, then when we were born again we should also be fully man and fully God' just like He was "in every respect". My theology doesn't support that stinkin thinkin view. But it is the spirit of Christ in us, which makes us 'sons of God' just like Jesus was in his spirit at birth.

I'll stop. I hate long posts.

Sorry but I think your confused.
You say the Spirit of Christ is "another" another What? Spirit?
You did not show that the Spirit of the Son was separate from the spirit of God.
You quoted Romans 8:3 which explains the man Jesus "Son" condemned sin in the flesh. This is the same connotation as John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so I send you..........As the Father sent Jesus, not down from heaven as a man but sent to do the work of God. In like manner Jesus sent them not down from heaven but sent to work for the Kingdom. So God did not send some other Spirit of the Son in Romans 8:3.

You say the Word was the sinful flesh of Jesus, however in John 1:1 it says the Word was God. you philosophy makes no sense and would appear to say God was sinful if in fact the Word was God and sinful flesh.

Also Jesus was a real man but that does not mean he was sinful or had a sinful nature. Jesus had a human nature but not a sinful nature Jesus was perfect concerning sin in thought and action.

Again you seem to have a great misunderstanding of the incarnation. Jesus was not just some virgin born baby that received the Spirit of Christ.

The scriptures say Jesus was the mighty God and the everlasting Father Isaiah 9:6
it also says Jesus is the image of the invisible God.
Jesus himself said he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
Jesus is God manifest in flesh 1 Tim 3:16
Jesus is the Son of God because it was the Spirit of God that caused the conception of Mary. This was God's way of coming into the world to shed his own blood for our sins. God created himself a tabernacle not made by hands that he alone would bare the sins of the whole world. Jesus was God incarnate not some other spirit. this is what is such a mystery God became man.

YeshuaFan · Feb 6, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Right. Were Jesus' teaching considered unorthodox by the religious leaders of his day?
If so, wouldn't that make him a heretic by definition?

Are you saying one can have doctrines that are against the clear teachings of scriptures then?

YeshuaFan · Feb 6, 2019

Hillsage said:
I'm dictating with him because I've chased him around the ring for 10 rounds, a hundred times, trying to get him to ever back up 'his unsubstantiated OPINION' with scripture. And if you check, #1270, he did it again. That's why I dictated what I did. I"m tired of his stinkin thinkin opinions. And I'm more resolved now...again...to never respond to him for that very reason.

FWIW, I don't care what anyone's opinion is, if they can't support it with a scripture. Even if I don't agree with their use of scripture, as you just did with me. On the day of judgment God isn't going to judge me for what I believed, He is going to judge me for 'who I believed in' and then how I walked. So I'm not offended you disagree, I truly do understand. But I don't care what 'man believes' and that's why I come to Christian type forums years ago. I believed that if anyone could refute with scripture then this would be the place to be challenged.

Actually, if you reread my last post, that's not true. I specifically said

I do believe the triune spirit of God is 'one' and the spirit of Christ is another. So you now have something to scripturally refute IMO. Feel free to 'show' my misuse of scripture . Show me one scripture proving that the spirit of Christ is one spirit of the triune Godhead and not just a "son" spirit just as I also showed in my last post when I quoted;

ROM 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness/homoioma of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

Let me unpack my thinking. The WORD was the sinful FLESH of Jesus, but the spirit of Christ in the FLESH of Jesus wasn't GOD. The spirit of Christ IN Jesus is what made Him a 'Son of the FATHER' in Rom 8:3. And the sinful FLESH is what made Jesus a "son of man" after the flesh.

HEB 12:9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?

If having the spirit of Christ in his sinful fleshed body made Jesus GOD, as you just said 'I believe' above, then so also are we GOD when the spirit of Christ dwells in our sinful flesh bodies. To which, I disagree. What I do believe is this; I believe scripture which says Jesus was 'originally made' just like 'we become', AFTER we received 'the spirit of Christ at our spirit's rebirth'. It was 'then' that we became a "brethren" of Christ;

HEB 2:17 Therefore he/JESUS had to be made like his brethren in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make expiation for the sins of the people.

So, if Jesus was made like unto us "IN EVERY RESPECT" at his birth, then when we were born again we should also be fully man and fully God' just like He was "in every respect". My theology doesn't support that stinkin thinkin view. But it is the spirit of Christ in us, which makes us 'sons of God' just like Jesus was in his spirit at birth.

I'll stop. I hate long posts.

Jesus was and is the ETERNALLY begotten Son of the father, is God Himself, while we are adopted into the Family of God, but Jesus is the unique fully God and Fully Man!

YeshuaFan · Feb 6, 2019

New Birth said:
Many of the terms and actions listed are not attributes of the Hosy Spirit alone but many we could say would apply to Jesus. And Im sure you see this and would agree.
Question, In your opinion, In heaven is there a separation of the Father, Son, and Spirit?
We all agree that God is Spirit, but how many Spirits is God? Is the Spirit of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit the selfsame Spirit or is there a distinction in spirits or is the distinction of purpose and manifestation?

In heaven, there is the Father on His throne, and Jesus at His right hand!

New Birth · Feb 6, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
In heaven, there is the Father on His throne, and Jesus at His right hand!

So you believe the Father has a form and image? Rev speaks of one throne of God and the Lamb. So is Jesus on that throne? or do you see it as Jesus literally at a literal right Hand of the Father?

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