The Dedication of the Altar in Israel.

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Jesus was the 3rd Temple. Put to death but rose again on the 3rd day!

No 'stone' temple will ever be built on the mount.
It matters not to me whether the Jews eventually build one or not. [Heck the RCs have a huge "temple" building in the middle of Vatican City].

What would be tragic tho, is if they get two thirds of it built, then a giant earthquake or other natural disaster [or man made] brings it down........

Luke 6:
48 “He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house,
and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock.
49 “But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the land without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently;
and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”
1Co 10:4
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them,
and that Rock was the Christ.
1Co 3:11
For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
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Eze 38:19

“For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken:
‘Surely in that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel,


Earthquake Damages Temple Mount and Shechem


A large hole opened up on the Temple Mount during Friday's earthquake (click here for pictures), which was soon covered by officials from the Wakf Islamic Authority that administers the mosques built atop Judaism’s holiest site.

Wakf Officials Blame Israel
Wakf officials tried to blame Israel for the 6-foot by 5-foot hole, which is about three feet deep, claiming it was caused by Israel, which it accuses of tunneling beneath the Temple Mount. They demanded an end to all Israeli excavations in the area.
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....the fact is that Israel has built an altar and dedicated it to God, with an actual part of an animal sacrificed.

`And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

"The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; for this is my covenant with them, when I take away their sins."

Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.` (Rom. 11: 26 - 28)

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....the fact is that Israel has built an altar and dedicated it to God

Aside from the fact that the State of Israel did not build and dedicate this altar, Are you saying God is honoring that dedication in any way?

The Muslims have dedicated the dome of the Rock to God, and it’s already on the Temple Mount.

Does God honor that dedication too?

Which Christ rejectors does God honor and accept exactly?
 
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....the fact is that Israel has built an altar and dedicated it to God, with an actual part of an animal sacrificed.

`And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

"The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; for this is my covenant with them, when I take away their sins."

Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.` (Rom. 11: 26 - 28)

Marilyn.

The NKJV reveals that Paul was quoting text from the Old Testament.

He is revealing its present fulfillment, instead of predicting its future fulfillment.


Rom 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "THE DELIVERER WILL COME OUT OF ZION, AND HE WILL TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB;
Rom 11:27 FOR THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
Rom 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.


That covenant is also found in the Book of Hebrews.
Notice the word "Now" in verse 18.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." (From Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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The NKJV reveals that Paul was quoting text from the Old Testament.

He is revealing its present fulfillment, instead of predicting its future fulfillment.


Rom 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "THE DELIVERER WILL COME OUT OF ZION, AND HE WILL TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB;
Rom 11:27 FOR THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
Rom 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.

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Hi BABerean,

You omitted to highlight the NOW part - `CONCERNING THE GOSPEL THEY ARE ENEMIES FOR YOUR SAKE, BUT CONCERNING THE ELECTION THEY ARE BELOVED FOR THE SAKE OF THE FATHERS.` (Rom. 11: 28)

Marilyn.
 
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Aside from the fact that the State of Israel did not build and dedicate this altar, Are you saying God is honoring that dedication in any way?

The Muslims have dedicated the dome of the Rock to God, and it’s already on the Temple Mount.

Does God honor that dedication too?

Which Christ rejectors does God honor and accept exactly?

Hi parousia,

God is drawing His people Israel to Himself. God knows that they will built the altar and start sacrifices as they are partially blinded. When God deals with the Russian Federation on the mountains of Israel, then Israel will know that the Lord their God.

`When I have brought them back from the peoples and gathered them out of their enemies` lands, and I am hallowed in them in the sight of many nations, then they shall know that I am their God...` (Ez.39: 27 & 28)

Marilyn.
 
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If the writer of Hebrews took your advice, the Book of Hebrews would have never been written.
It does seem there are many Christians here who wish that were true.

Here's the reality... these Jews are NOT related to the Ancient Hebrews.

Even they admit their authority comes not from the Law of Moses, Delivered by God, but the Man made, Post Christian Religion of the Babylonian Talmud:

Sanhedrin Appoints High Priest in Preparation for Third Temple

Rabbi Kahane is a prominent scholar, knowledgeable in the complicated laws pertaining to the subject of the Temple Service. He is part of the Halacha Berurah Institute, established by Rabbi Avraham Isaac HaCohen Kook, the first Chief Rabbi of Israel, which deals with the elucidation of Jewish law from its Talmudic sources (Oral Law) and commentaries. He has played a prominent role in all the reenactments of the Temple services performed to date.

They have ZERO Biblical Authority to do this... they are IMPOSTERS, performing "reenactments".

They are ACTORS, Performers.

This is FAKE NEWS, designed to deceive and hoodwink... and apparently many Christians are so eager and hungry for this deception that they even cheer these Christ rejectors on!

"Hey Jesus, I know these people teach against everything you taught but I'm going to support them however I can"

Disgusting.

There are portions of the Talmud which would shock posters here. The Talmud includes obscene comments about our Lord. The Talmud is taken to be more authoritative than the Scriptures by many Jews. The Karaite Jews encourage leaving the Talmud behind and returning to the Pentateuch.

Christ is now the Great High Priest, the Intercessor and Mediator on behalf of the Believer. Without His own righteousness which is honored by the Father and is imputed to us, none of us would be saved. The restored Law and temple worship that these Israelis want to restore are not going to be effectual. The Book of Hebrews reveals that the Mitzvot is obsolete.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
Heb 7:2 and to him Abraham apportioned a tenth part of everything. He is first, by translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then he is also king of Salem, that is, king of peace.
Heb 7:3 He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever.
Heb 7:4 See how great this man was to whom Abraham the patriarch gave a tenth of the spoils!
Heb 7:5 And those descendants of Levi who receive the priestly office have a commandment in the law to take tithes from the people, that is, from their brothers, though these also are descended from Abraham.
Heb 7:6 But this man who does not have his descent from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
Heb 7:7 It is beyond dispute that the inferior is blessed by the superior.
Heb 7:8 In the one case tithes are received by mortal men, but in the other case, by one of whom it is testified that he lives.
Heb 7:9 One might even say that Levi himself, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham,
Heb 7:10 for he was still in the loins of his ancestor when Melchizedek met him.
Heb 7:11 Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.
Heb 7:13 For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
Heb 7:15 This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek,
Heb 7:16 who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life.
Heb 7:17 For it is witnessed of him, “You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek.”
Heb 7:18 For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness
Heb 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
Heb 7:20 And it was not without an oath. For those who formerly became priests were made such without an oath,
Heb 7:21 but this one was made a priest with an oath by the one who said to him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, ‘You are a priest forever.’”
Heb 7:22 This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.
Heb 7:23 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office,
Heb 7:24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever.
Heb 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens.
Heb 7:27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.
Heb 7:28 For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever.

Heb 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
 
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Hi parousia,

God is drawing His people Israel to Himself. God knows that they will built the altar and start sacrifices as they are partially blinded. When God deals with the Russian Federation on the mountains of Israel, then Israel will know that the Lord their God.

`When I have brought them back from the peoples and gathered them out of their enemies` lands, and I am hallowed in them in the sight of many nations, then they shall know that I am their God...` (Ez.39: 27 & 28)

Marilyn.
Galatians 3:16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

You are suggesting two people of God and two means of salvation. There was and is now a remnant of Jews who believe that Christ was the Messiah, even the Suffering Servant who was not the political Messiah that the Jews wanted and had written about in the Pseudopigrapha. God does not keep them locked in Jewish purgatory. Today even the Church looks to a person who is equipping the Church to gain control of most of the world's political authority and usher in the Messiah's return. Today most of the Church won't accept Christ's reconciliation of mankind. (They used to.) Faith in what He has done reconciles us. No one can be saved by the Law and rituals.
 
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Hi BABerean,

You omitted to highlight the NOW part - `CONCERNING THE GOSPEL THEY ARE ENEMIES FOR YOUR SAKE, BUT CONCERNING THE ELECTION THEY ARE BELIEVED FOR THE SAKE OF THE FATHERS.` (Rom. 11: 28)

Marilyn.

Beginning in Romans 11:1-5, and throughout the rest of the passage Paul reveals two different groups of Israelites, one faithful, and one not.

There are also two different groups of Israelites in Romans 11:28.
There are "they" who have rejected Christ and are enemies of the Gospel, and there is another group of "they", who are the election which accept Christ.


You are attempting to rip one or two verses out of the context of the rest of the passage, in an attempt to make the Two Peoples of God doctrine work.

The Olive Tree is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of both faithful Israelite and Gentile branches.
Paul provides no path to salvation outside of the Church in the passage.


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Hi BABerean,

You omitted to highlight the NOW part - `CONCERNING THE GOSPEL THEY ARE ENEMIES FOR YOUR SAKE, BUT CONCERNING THE ELECTION THEY ARE BELIEVED FOR THE SAKE OF THE FATHERS.` (Rom. 11: 28)

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn,

Scripture is unequivocal in identifying who the elect(ion) are. They are those of faith and obedience, who are saved by grace.

Under no conditions or circumstances are enemies of the gospel ever numbered among the elect.

You slightly misquoted the verse above; "believed" should be "beloved".

We see that only the elect are beloved, in the Scriptures below.


Luke 18:7
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Colossians 3:12
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Romans 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
1 Thessalonians 1:4
Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
1 Peter 5:13
The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.
 
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Galatians 3:16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

You are suggesting two people of God and two means of salvation. There was and is now a remnant of Jews who believe that Christ was the Messiah, even the Suffering Servant who was not the political Messiah that the Jews wanted and had written about in the Pseudopigrapha. God does not keep them locked in Jewish purgatory. Today even the Church looks to a person who is equipping the Church to gain control of most of the world's political authority and usher in the Messiah's return. Today most of the Church won't accept Christ's reconciliation of mankind. (They used to.) Faith in what He has done reconciles us. No one can be saved by the Law and rituals.

Hi notreligus,

Actually 3 groups with one groups having two parts. This has to do with inheritance and NOT salvation.

Now can you please tell me why God waited so long to bring in the Body of Christ and why did He bother with mankind for 4000 years prior to the Lord coming to earth?

Marilyn.
 
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Beginning in Romans 11:1-5, and throughout the rest of the passage Paul reveals two different groups of Israelites, one faithful, and one not.

There are also two different groups of Israelites in Romans 11:28.
There are "they" who have rejected Christ and are enemies of the Gospel, and there is another group of "they", who are the election which accept Christ.


You are attempting to rip one or two verses out of the context of the rest of the passage, in an attempt to make the Two Peoples of God doctrine work.

The Olive Tree is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of both faithful Israelite and Gentile branches.
Paul provides no path to salvation outside of the Church in the passage.


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Hi BABerean,

Actually 3 groups with one groups having two parts. This has to do with inheritance and NOT salvation.

Now can you please tell me why God waited so long to bring in the Body of Christ and why did He bother with mankind for 4000 years prior to the Lord coming to earth?

Marilyn.
 
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Hi Marilyn,

Scripture is unequivocal in identifying who the elect(ion) are. They are those of faith and obedience, who are saved by grace.

Under no conditions or circumstances are enemies of the gospel ever numbered among the elect.

You slightly misquoted the verse above; "believed" should be "beloved".

We see that only the elect are beloved, in the Scriptures below.


Luke 18:7
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Colossians 3:12
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Romans 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
1 Thessalonians 1:4
Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
1 Peter 5:13
The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.

Hi jgr,

Thank you for the correction.

Now can you please tell me why God waited so long to bring in the Body of Christ and why did He bother with mankind for 4000 years prior to the Lord coming to earth?

Marilyn.
 
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It is difficult to read that passage and miss interpret it! It is a new temple that has never yet been built!

Its how you interpret it though. Is it symbolic or actual? Spiritual?
 
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Hi jgr,

Thank you for the correction.

Now can you please tell me why God waited so long to bring in the Body of Christ and why did He bother with mankind for 4000 years prior to the Lord coming to earth?

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn,

You're welcome.

Those would probably rank with the many questions which we in our dimension cannot presently answer.

They're within the faith category of faith and obedience.
 
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Its how you interpret it though. Is it symbolic or actual? Spiritual?
If a verse makes good sense the way it is written, why try to spiritualize it?

We know from scripture that the blood of bulls and goats could NEVER remove sin - or the guilt of sin - yet God had Israel doing it for centuries. It was pointing towards Jesus' sacrifice. In the future it seems God will have animal sacrifices IN REMEMBRANCE of Christ's once and for all sacrifice.
 
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If a verse makes good sense the way it is written, why try to spiritualize it?

We know from scripture that the blood of bulls and goats could NEVER remove sin - or the guilt of sin - yet God had Israel doing it for centuries. It was pointing towards Jesus' sacrifice. In the future it seems God will have animal sacrifices IN REMEMBRANCE of Christ's once and for all sacrifice.

I disagree. No sacrifices are needed anymore.

Interpretation my friend.
 
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If a verse makes good sense the way it is written, why try to spiritualize it?

We know from scripture that the blood of bulls and goats could NEVER remove sin - or the guilt of sin - yet God had Israel doing it for centuries. It was pointing towards Jesus' sacrifice. In the future it seems God will have animal sacrifices IN REMEMBRANCE of Christ's once and for all sacrifice.

What Scripture supports "IN REMEMBRANCE"?
 
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