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And when you compare that to the violence we see today, how do you feel? How would you feel if you were a teen or preteen in today's world where your life could be over for nothing more than walking out on the street or going to school.
That is what black people lived with every day, to a much larger extent. They were far more likely to be assaulted or bullied than a teen today. I don’t see a lot of violence today, to answer your question. I feel generally safe as do most people I know.
 
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And when you compare that to the violence we see today, how do you feel? How would you feel if you were a teen or preteen in today's world where your life could be over for nothing more than walking out on the street or going to school.

...or drinking from a water fountain, or trying to enroll your child in the wrong color school, or looking at a white woman just half a second too long...
 
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...or drinking from a water fountain, or trying to enroll your child in the wrong color school, or looking at a white woman just half a second too long...
Do you truly think that is a valid comparison to the problems that youth today have with becoming victims of violence?
 
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Do you truly think that is a valid comparison to the problems that youth today have with becoming victims of violence?

Point taken -- things are a lot better now than they used to be.
 
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Point taken -- things are a lot better now than they used to be.
Maybe you could support your view if you provide a list of those things that make it safer for Teens and children today in contrast to 1954. Consider drug overdose, gun violence, and suicide rates
 
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Maybe you could support your view if you provide a list of those things that make it safer for Teens and children today in contrast to 1954. Consider drug overdose, gun violence, and suicide rates
Widespread availability of e.g the polio vaccine leading to a massive decrease in childhood death rates.
Motor vehicle deaths per capita are half of what they were.
School and public business desegregation
A good possibility that the crime rate is way lower now, but data going back to the 50s is sketchy so this is a toss up
 
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Maybe you could support your view if you provide a list of those things that make it safer for Teens and children today in contrast to 1954. Consider drug overdose, gun violence, and suicide rates

Well, gosh... maybe if you people just knew your place and stayed in it, you wouldn't bring so much darn trouble on yourselves... :wave:
 
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Clearly you cannot provide any evidence

Evidence for what? Beatings? Lynchings? Jim Crow? antisemitism? The wholesomeness of 1954 America in all its glory?
 
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A good possibility that the crime rate is way lower now, but data going back to the 50s is sketchy so this is a toss up
I dunno about the 50s, but IIRC violent crime was on an upward trend starting in the late 60s and peaked in the early to mid 90s, then started a steady downward trend and we're back in the levels of the 60s.
 
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I dunno about the 50s, but IIRC violent crime was on an upward trend starting in the late 60s and peaked in the early to mid 90s, then started a steady downward trend and we're back in the levels of the 60s.
The culprit for these times is...wait for it...
Leaded gasoline.
Yup tetraethyl lead in the gasoline got into the air and made us crazy violent.
 
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Clearly you cannot provide any evidence
Let me see if I get your point. Black kids would rather be forbidden from using public facilities, forbidden from enrolling in most colleges and universities, be paid less for doing the same jobs as Whites, be subject to abuse, up to and including death for interacting with White women....????
Seriously?
 
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What is your point in posting that? Are you claiming that life is harder or more dangerous for black people now than it was during Jim Crow? Or that fear of gun violence today is worth than the daily humiliation and degradation of segregation? The fifties were only good for straight white males.
 
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Evidence for what? Beatings? Lynchings? Jim Crow? antisemitism? The wholesomeness of 1954 America in all its glory?
You seem to be totally consumed with the race issue, we are talking about teens and children here and the dangers they face today. There is no comparison.
 
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You seem to be totally consumed with the race issue, we are talking about teens and children here and the dangers they face today. There is no comparison.
That's because in "The Good Old Days" race was a serious issue. If you are going to compare those times with ours you have to take it into account. But if you don't want to talk about race, let's consider gender issues and how that plays into the comparison.
 
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You seem to be totally consumed with the race issue, we are talking about teens and children here and the dangers they face today. There is no comparison.
So I asked a black man I know whether he would rather live in today’s society or the 50’s. He wanted to know if I was seriously asking such a stupid question. You can probably guess what his answer was.

Or maybe not.

Maybe that’s the real answer here...
 
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Let me see if I get your point. Black kids would rather be forbidden from using public facilities, forbidden from enrolling in most colleges and universities, be paid less for doing the same jobs as Whites, be subject to abuse, up to and including death for interacting with White women....????
Seriously?
Do you think there has been any time in history where more black kids have experienced violent death than what they are experiencing today? That hardly equates to the problems you have listed. So how serious are you? How about a little compassion for what these kids are facing everyday through no fault of their own.
 
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You know... that's actually kind of comforting. Of the 74 million children that live in the US, only 14,500 on average are injured by a gun every year. Those are pretty good odds.
I dont know about the cold hard odds but I do know that this is preventable and it reflects very poorly on our society that we are willing to accept it.
 
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