Why Believers Are Guiltless for Profaning the Sabbath

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Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

That is what my OP is about; Look for the bold statements almost at the end of the post, then read the scriptures for why that is in that OP.

"Believers are profaning the sabbath as the law was not abolished, BUT they are guiltless because Jesus Christ is in us when He fulfilled the law for our salvation.

We can rest from keeping the sabbath day commandment by resting in Jesus Christ"
 
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That is what my OP is about; Look for the bold statements almost at the end of the post, then read the scriptures for why that is in that OP.

"Believers are profaning the sabbath as the law was not abolished, BUT they are guiltless because Jesus Christ is in us when He fulfilled the law for our salvation.

We can rest from keeping the sabbath day commandment by resting in Jesus Christ"


No one is resting in Christ by breaking God's LAW. God's WORD says those who profess Christ and break his Commandments do not know him *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be BORN of AGAIN *1 JOHN 3:6-9. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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No. The priests were in the temple (where they should be) WORKING on the Sabbath which is exactly what they should have been doing which is why Matt 12:5 declares that they were innocent of profaning the Sabbath as they were simply carrying out their priestly duties.
The disciples however were clearly not priests and thus their being "in the temple" had no bearing at all in their guilt or innocence. Because of this, Jesus condemned the Pharisees for their lack of understanding regarding the Sabbath and condemning the innocent (v.7).
But what about David?
 
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No one is resting in Christ by breaking God's LAW. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
What did Jesus mean when He said.

Matthew 12:7
But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire compassion, and not a sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.
 
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No one is resting in Christ by breaking God's LAW. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
What did Jesus mean when He said.

Matthew 12:7
But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire compassion, and not a sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.
 
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Hello brother, you mix up your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

Hope this helps.
No, because the Lord did not bring me or my forebears out of Egypt (Exodus 20:2). The Law of Moses contains the laws that God gave all of humanity, plus many others. The Sabbath laws are among the others.
 
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But it wasn't the Pharisees that pointed out those laws for which the saints in the O.T. had profaned the sabbath. Jesus said that. Jesus did so to defend His disciples. That was His whole point for how He being with His disciples is why His disciples were guiltless for profaning the sabbath as those saints in the O.T. were guiltless because they were in the Temple ( hence where His Presence dwells as per O.T.).
The whole point is the Pharisees didn't understand anything. The Pharisees didn't understand the true meaning of the Sabbath as expressed in Torah. Instead they relied on their extra-biblical traditions which Jesus was quick to point out to them. Jesus himself "worked" on the Sabbath by performing miraculous acts of mercy by healing people. That is why in v.6 Jesus himself states that he desires MERCY, NOT sacrifice because the Pharisees looked to upholding the letter of the Law by clinging on to their traditions instead of understanding that the Sabbath was meant to not only to give human beings rest from physical labors, but also to give them a time to devote to God by doing His works and serving Him. Thus it is was merciful for David to eat the consecrated bread in the temple which was meant only for the priests. Thus it was merciful for the disciples to eat grain plucked from the field on the Sabbath. Though the Sabbath is a day of rest, God desires mercy above all else, just as He is merciful.
 
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No, because the Lord did not bring me or my forebears out of Egypt (Exodus 20:2). The Law of Moses contains the laws that God gave all of humanity, plus many others. The Sabbath laws are among the others.

Rubbish. God's LAW was given to his people who are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Your reasoning is that it is ok for those who follow God to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery or break any one of God's 10 commandments because they did not come out of Egypt? This has no truth in it.

In the OLD and the NEW COVENANT the purpose of God's LAW (10 Commandments) has always been the same and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

In the NEW COVENANT God's LAW is written in the HEART to LOVE *ROMANS 13:8-10.

Under the NEW COVENANT God's WORD says that if we KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (MATTHEW 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (ACTS 17:30-31).

If your lamp goes out how will you find your way when the road is dark and narrow?

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.
 
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Rubbish. God's LAW was given to his people who are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Your reasoning is that it is ok for people to lie, steal and murder because they did not come out of Egypt.
No, that's not what I said or reasoned. Lying, stealing, and murdering are all sins that apply to Gentiles as well as Jews. Sabbath is not. They are a sign to the Jewish people (Exodus 31:12-17), but not put upon any other people. And nowhere in the New Testament do we see commands for the general church to observe Sabbath. Again, we see the opposite in Colossians 2:16-17, and also in Romans 14:5-8.

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Nor did I claim that. Christians of Jewish heritage should keep Sabbath the same way Christ did. Most Christians however, do not have that heritage.
 
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No, that's not what I said or reasoned. Lying, stealing, and murdering are all sins that apply to Gentiles as well as Jews. Sabbath is not. They are a sign to the Jewish people (Exodus 31:12-17), but not put upon any other people. And nowhere in the New Testament do we see commands for the general church to observe Sabbath. Again, we see the opposite in Colossians 2:16-17, and also in Romans 14:5-8. Nor did I claim that. Christians of Jewish heritage should keep Sabbath the same way Christ did. Most Christians however, do not have that heritage.

More rubbish. How many commandments are there in God's 10 commandments that were written with the finger of God that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is if broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172? Here is a hint *DEUTERONOMY 10:4. There are 10 Commandments in God's ETERNAL LAW that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. God's 4th Commandments *EXODUS 20:8-11 is one of God's 10 commandments. God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT says if we break any one of God's 10 commandmnets we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in God's NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

ROMANS 14 says NOTHING at all about God's 4th Commandments Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments that if broken give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7: 1 JOHN 3:4. Where is the scripture to your claims that Gentiles only keep 9 of the 10 Commandments? Wait there is none.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. These are God's WORD not mine please prayerfully look at the scriptures provided only in love and as a help.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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nowhere in the New Testament do we see commands for the general church to observe Sabbath. Again, we see the opposite in Colossians 2:16-17, and also in Romans 14:5-8.

More of the same brother.

HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

In the NEW TESTAMENT.....

1. Jesus taught that it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath? (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)

2. Jesus taught that God's Sabbath was made for mankind and not man for the Sabbath rebuking the tradtions of the Jew in regards to their traditions and interpretation around Sabbath keeping? (Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8)

3. Jesus taught that he was the maker and creator of the Sabbath and the God of creation? (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)

4. Jesus is our example who kept the Sabbath as well as all those who followed him (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

5. Jesus taught that break God's Commandments and teach others to do so will not enter God's Kingdom? (Matt 5:19)

6. Jesus taught that not a jot or tittle will pass from God's LAW until heaven and earth pass away? (Matthew 5:18)

7. Jesus taught that on the two great commandments of LOVE to GOD and MAN hang ALL the LAW and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40)

8.
Paul warns us that those who do NOT believe and follow GOD do not enter into God's Sabbath rest because of their SINS and UNBELIEF (Hebrews 3-4)

9. Jesus, Paul, James, John and Peter taught there is 10 Commandments including the Sabbath and not 9 commandments and if you break one of God's Commandments you stand guilty before God of breaking all of them (James 2:8-12).

10. Timothy teaches that ALL SCRIPTURE (OLD AND NEW Testament) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). Jesus teaches we are to live by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4)

Why would Jesus and the Apostles give us further instruction in relation to Sabbath keeping building on the OLD TESTAMENET scriptures if we no longer need to keep it? (Point 1, 2, 3, 6)

SIN is the transgression or breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Again, we see the opposite in Colossians 2:16-17,

Hello brother, you mix up your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

Hope this helps.
 
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and also in Romans 14:5-8.

Where in ROMANS 14 do the scriptures say here that they are talking about God's 4th commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11? The Chapter of ROMANS 14 is talking about FOOD, and eating and not eating (fasting) connected to DAYS that MEN ESTEEM over other days not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abolination in God's eyes *LUKE 16:15.

Let's look at ROMANS 14?

Some points to consider in Romans 14:1-15

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking (fasting).

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

.........

CONCLUSION: Nope nothing about God's 4th Commandments Sabbath. Romans 14 is about eating and not eating (fasting) connected to days that men esteem over other days and judging others. When you look at all the scriptures used to support your claims in detail. They do not support your interpretation of God's WORD.

Hope this helps.
 
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A couple of years ago my brother sent me an email and asked a number of doctrinal questions including this one and this is what I wrote back to him.


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2) Why do we not keep the Sabbath day holy?
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There’s actually several issues involved in this question that I will break it down into a number of different answers based on various points.

1A) Because this was not a formal requirement given to the Gentiles that received the Gospel in the “Jerusalem Counsel” recorded in the book of Acts 15:

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

Commentary: if you notice the Gentiles were going “to church” so to speak where they heard such things preached “on the Sabbath”, but this is not laid out as a formal requirement made by the Jerusalem counsel in the book of Acts (which was presumably speaking by the Holy Spirit).


1B) If the previous point is insufficient, I would also add other verses of saint Paul where he speaks of the necessity of keeping Jewish Holy Days such as: Colossians 2:16, Galatians 4:9-10.

1C) Besides all that, there is the “Judaizer” conflict that is all over the New Testament and early Christian history. All the verses where Paul is speaking against people “using works” are essentially referencing people who rejected the Jerusalem Counsel of the books of Acts and were requiring believers to be circumcised, go Kosher, etc. including all the Sabbath keeping stuff.


2) My second answer is that Christians DO KEEP THE SABBATH IF THEY FOLLOW THE LITURGICAL TRADITION OF EARLY CHRISTIANITY. This is the exact reason we have a “weekend”, instead of just having the Jewish Sabbath off, we get the Jewish Sabbath and “The Lord’s Day” (The Day that Christ rose from the dead) off. So, this is actually better than just having one day off, we as Christians get 2 days off. The problem however is that people (usually) have taken these days purely for themselves thus they don’t get the spiritual benefit from them!
 
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Commentary: if you notice the Gentiles were going “to church” so to speak where they heard such things preached “on the Sabbath”, but this is not laid out as a formal requirement made by the Jerusalem counsel in the book of Acts (which was presumably speaking by the Holy Spirit).
There is evidence in the NT that the God-fearing gentiles gathered at synagogue on the Sabbath per Acts 18:4 and Acts 13:42-43. Perhaps it was not a formal requirement since they were already doing this.

2) My second answer is that Christians DO KEEP THE SABBATH IF THEY FOLLOW THE LITURGICAL TRADITION OF EARLY CHRISTIANITY. This is the exact reason we have a “weekend”, instead of just having the Jewish Sabbath off, we get the Jewish Sabbath and “The Lord’s Day” (The Day that Christ rose from the dead) off. So, this is actually better than just having one day off, we as Christians get 2 days off. The problem however is that people (usually) have taken these days purely for themselves thus they don’t get the spiritual benefit from them!
I think most Christians however view Sunday as replacing the Sabbath.
 
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There is evidence in the NT that the God-fearing gentiles gathered at synagogue on the Sabbath per Acts 18:4 and Acts 13:42-43. Perhaps it was not a formal requirement since they were already doing this.


I think most Christians however view Sunday as replacing the Sabbath.

The requirement that the Jerusalem counsel laid out bears a strong resemblance to what would be later called "The Noahide Laws" in Judaism. (The biggest difference is the Noahide laws call for the establishing in of courts of Justice). But this is significant, because it shows there was a pretty clear idea of how gentiles were to be converted in 2nd temple Judaism and it did not involve things like official sabbath keeping as a formal requirement. So I would say the Jerusalem counsel took place under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit but it did not take place in a vacuum.


I will also add a little ending comment. Lots of Christians (Pentecostals and Charismatics especially) love quoting the the New Wine skin passage ( Matthew 9:14-17, Mark 2:18-22 and Luke 5:33-39) but it's this exact area of the need for a New Covenant that it actually applies! (rather than primarily speaking of the need for new strategies etc.)

Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia
 
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The requirement that the Jerusalem counsel laid out bears a strong resemblance to what would be later called "The Noahide Laws" in Judaism. (The biggest difference is the Noahide laws call for the establishing in of courts of Justice). But this is significant, because it shows there was a pretty clear idea of how gentiles were to be converted in 2nd temple Judaism and it did not involve things like official sabbath keeping as a formal requirement. So I would say the Jerusalem counsel took place under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit but it did not take place in a vacuum.


I will also add a little ending comment. Lots of Christians (Pentecostals and Charismatics especially) love quoting the the New Wine skin passage ( Matthew 9:14-17, Mark 2:18-22 and Luke 5:33-39) but it's this exact area of the need for a New Covenant that it actually applies! (rather than primarily speaking of the need for new strategies etc.)

Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia
As in everything scriptural, context determines interpretation.
“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

I think this passage states that James was referring to the "minimum" requirements necessary for the gentiles as it was his intention to not make it difficult for the gentiles to turn to God. This is confirmed by his concluding statement in v.21 where he stated that the law of Moses - not the law of Noah - is preached every Sabbath. So in conclusion, the gentiles were initially required to abstain from foods to idols, sexual immorality and strangled meet and blood but as they continued to attend synagogue on the Sabbath they would learn more by the preaching/reading of the law of Moses and make further changes in their lives according to the Law.
 
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The whole point is the Pharisees didn't understand anything.
That is not true Oldmantook, the Pharisees knew the law down to the very letter. Paul was a Pharisee and an expert in respect of the law. Sure they added traditions to the law but they knew Exodus and Leviticus by rote.
The Pharisees didn't understand the true meaning of the Sabbath as expressed in Torah. Instead they relied on their extra-biblical traditions which Jesus was quick to point out to them.
But the problem you have here is that Jesus did not mention in the text (Matthew 12), anything about extra Sabbath tradition. Jesus accepted the accusation of the Pharisees as a valid accusation. Please read the text again and carefully.

This passage (Matthew 12) has nothing to do with a deeper meaning of the Sabbath. Rather it was a simple case of the disciples breaking the Sabbath by harvesting the grain to eat. Gathering wheat to eat or gathering sticks for a fire is the same breach of resting on the Sabbath.
Jesus himself "worked" on the Sabbath by performing miraculous acts of mercy by healing people.
Yes He did Oldmantook, but this passage is talking about what the disciples were doing not what Jesus was doing.
That is why in v.6 Jesus himself states that he desires MERCY, NOT sacrifice because the Pharisees looked to upholding the letter of the Law by clinging on to their traditions instead of understanding that the Sabbath was meant to not only to give human beings rest from physical labors, but also to give them a time to devote to God by doing His works and serving Him.
Your correct now but you missed the fact that the disciples were in fact breaking the Sabbath.
Thus it is was merciful for David to eat the consecrated bread in the temple which was meant only for the priests.
David and his followers were indeed lawless in the temple but so were the disciples. That is exactly why Jesus spoke of David breaking the law.
Thus it was merciful for the disciples to eat grain plucked from the field on the Sabbath. Though the Sabbath is a day of rest, God desires mercy above all else, just as He is merciful.
One greater than the temple was in their midst, so the disciples were in the presence of God Himself. That is how the Sabbath breach can be understood, the disciples did not need to honor the Sabbath while God was present with them.
 
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But it wasn't the Pharisees that pointed out those laws for which the saints in the O.T. had profaned the sabbath. Jesus said that. Jesus did so to defend His disciples. That was His whole point for how He being with His disciples is why His disciples were guiltless for profaning the sabbath as those saints in the O.T. were guiltless because they were in the Temple ( hence where His Presence dwells as per O.T.).

Maybe I am wrong, but I understand that Jesus meant, Pharisees taught that the old saints didn’t do wrong, that is why he showed the example, to help people understand that also Jesus and his disciples didn’t do wrongly.
 
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