Trump Admin: publicly funded group can discriminate against Jews & gays

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It doesn't change what God said. The right wing agenda is irrelevant to what God said. If you don't believe that God said it, that's between you and God. We can debate it, but what you choose to believe is up to you and between you and God.
Good for you. If all Evangelicals took that position, much of the present political turmoil would disappear.

But seriously, who do you think wrote "Then God spake all these words..."
 
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It becomes an issue in the US where "what God really said" is being used to bolster an egregious right-wing political agenda and to deny the faith of other Christians who won't go along with it.

Yes, what harm could there come from eating from that tree, eventhough God has specifically forbidden that particular tree - and that one only? He's probably just a right-winger, and not nearly progressive enough ^_^
 
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Yes, what harm could there come from eating from that tree, eventhough God has specifically forbidden that particular tree - and that one only? He's probably just a right-winger, and not nearly progressive enough ^_^
So we are in Eden and Trump is the serpent. It fits.
 
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Yes, what harm could there come from eating from that tree, eventhough God has specifically forbidden that particular tree - and that one only? He's probably just a right-winger, and not nearly progressive enough ^_^
LOL! Isn't that the Serpent's line?
 
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So we are in Eden and Trump is the serpent. It fits.

How in tarnation does that logic work? :D
How is Trump the serpant in this example? It's the people who say "It doesn't mean what it means, because those who say it means what it means are right-wingers" who are analogous to the serpant here.
 
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How in tarnation does that logic work? :D
How is Trump the serpant in this example? It's the people who say "It doesn't mean what it means, because those who say it means what it means are right-wingers" who are analogous to the serpant here.
Well, since nobody says that, I wouldn't know. Some (not all) Evangelical Protestants are right-wingers and they use the literal inerrancy of scripture to bolster their Christian Nationalist agenda.
 
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How in tarnation does that logic work? :D
How is Trump the serpant in this example? It's the people who say "It doesn't mean what it means, because those who say it means what it means are right-wingers" who are analogous to the serpant here.
It’s a prophetic interpretation as good as any I’ve heard about Daniel or Revelation.
 
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Perhaps you should read what God told Moses. It's pretty clear.
God claims to be the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so why would genesis not be historically true history, unless those names were fables?
 
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It becomes an issue in the US where "what God really said" is being used to bolster an egregious right-wing political agenda and to deny the faith of other Christians who won't go along with it.
What agenda would that be? To accept and keep what God defines as being a real family unit intact?
 
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Well, since nobody says that, I wouldn't know. Some (not all) Evangelical Protestants are right-wingers and they use the literal inerrancy of scripture to bolster their Christian Nationalist agenda.
Which would be exactly what for an agenda?
 
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Why? If the fall was just a myth or allegory, or a metaphor?
Because we are sinners in need of redemption. That is a fact of our present experience, not something we can only learn from a literal interpretation of an old Hebrew folk tale. It was an observable fact to the authors of the Garden story as well but no more than we did they know how it came about, which is why they wrote it up as an etiology.
 
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Well, since nobody says that, I wouldn't know. Some (not all) Evangelical Protestants are right-wingers and they use the literal inerrancy of scripture to bolster their Christian Nationalist agenda.
If by "right winger", you mean one who holds to the view of a fully inspired Bible, to a literal/historical view of Genesis, who believes in what God defined for us as being allowed in the areas of family and sexuality, count me in!
 
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Because we are sinners in need of redemption. That is a fact of our present experience, not something we can only learn from a literal interpretation of an old Hebrew folk tale. It was an observable fact to the authors of the Garden story as well but no more than we did they know how it came about, which is why they wrote it up as an etiology.
Was there a real Fall in the Garden of Adam?
 
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Because we are sinners in need of redemption. That is a fact of our present experience, not something we can only learn from a literal interpretation of an old Hebrew folk tale. It was an observable fact to the authors of the Garden story as well but no more than we did they know how it came about, which is why they wrote it up as an etiology.
God gave that story to Moses, so God was not into telling us fables, as peter said that they did not invent fables to give to us, but the truth!
 
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