Israel begins construction of new Gaza border barrier

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I have never seen a stranger spectacle than a Christian who hates Jews while professing a belief in a faith whose foundation is derived from Jews. What a mess!
Last I checked Jesus is still of the House of Judah of the line and seed of David born of a woman Blessed Mary where He received the blood line.
 
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Well if your referring to me sister I do not hate Jews, I love Jews(Jews being Christians). I also love the Zionists(as Christ said we are to love our enemies also) but I truly hate their ways since they are of the synagogue of Satan.

My faith in the Lord is derived from the Lord.

I'm a Jew and I came to faith in a Jewish synagogue. We are connected in Christ, but I would never claim you as a brother. You are the antithesis of the oneness I've experienced in the synagogue and encountered in the Word of God.

The danger in your remarks is the assumption of your audience. You speak freely because you believe you're among Christians. Yet, this site is open and anyone can read the messages. And this is the nonsense they encounter.
 
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Well the fact is the only Jews are Christians after the Circumcision of the Heart. The people who call themselves Jews but are not but are of the Synagogue of Satan are the Zionists.
Of course there is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile) but all in Christ. Fully agree. However, God is not finished with His promises with the people of Israel who do embrace His Son Jesus as Messiah. We are not speaking of the secular government of Israel:

Ezekiel 37: NASB
1The hand of the LORD was upon me, and He brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me down in the middle of the valley; and it was full of bones. 2He caused me to pass among them round about, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley; and lo, they were very dry. 3He said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” And I answered, “O Lord GOD, You know.” 4Again He said to me, “Prophesy over these bones and say to them, ‘O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.’ 5“Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones, ‘Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life. 6‘I will put sinews on you, make flesh grow back on you, cover you with skin and put breath in you that you may come alive; and you will know that I am the LORD.’”

7So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold, a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to its bone. 8And I looked, and behold, sinews were on them, and flesh grew and skin covered them; but there was no breath in them. 9Then He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they come to life.”’” 10So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they came to life and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army.

11Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.’ 12“Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. 13“Then you will know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves and caused you to come up out of your graves, My people. 14“I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken and done it,” declares the LORD.’”

[...]

24“My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them. 25“They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever. 26“I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will place them and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever. 27“My dwelling place also will be with them; and I will be their God, and they will be My people. 28“And the nations will know that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.”’”


Hitler wanted the Zionists out of his Country because of what they did to his country(it's all in his book), just because Hitler didn't know(or didn't care) that these Zionists were not actually to be called Jews means nothing.
Hitler did what he did because he wanted to eradicate (murder) any traces of the Hebrew God in his society. He was also doing the words of satan.
 
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I'm a Jew and I came to faith in a Jewish synagogue. We are connected in Christ, but I would never claim you as a brother. You are the antithesis of the oneness I've experienced in the synagogue and encountered in the Word of God.

The danger in your remarks is the assumption of your audience. You speak freely because you believe you're among Christians. Yet, this site is open and anyone can read the messages. And this is the nonsense they encounter.
If you believe in Christ and accept his Gospel then we are brother and sister in Christ. That is a fact.

I speak with boldness as commanded, as an oracle of God as we are told to speak(1 Peter 4:11).

This is the word of God, and it is true.
Revelation 2:9
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 
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If you believe in Christ and accept his Gospel then we are brother and sister in Christ. That is a fact.

I speak with boldness as commanded, as an oracle of God as we are told to speak(1 Peter 4:11)

You speak with a false religious and anti-semetic spirit. Fact.
 
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Of course there is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile) but all in Christ. Fully agree. However, God is not finished with His promises with the people of Israel who do embrace His Son Jesus as Messiah. We are not speaking of the secular government of Israel:

Ezekiel 37: NASB
1The hand of the LORD was upon me, and He brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me down in the middle of the valley; and it was full of bones. 2He caused me to pass among them round about, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley; and lo, they were very dry. 3He said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” And I answered, “O Lord GOD, You know.” 4Again He said to me, “Prophesy over these bones and say to them, ‘O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.’ 5“Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones, ‘Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life. 6‘I will put sinews on you, make flesh grow back on you, cover you with skin and put breath in you that you may come alive; and you will know that I am the LORD.’”

7So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold, a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to its bone. 8And I looked, and behold, sinews were on them, and flesh grew and skin covered them; but there was no breath in them. 9Then He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they come to life.”’” 10So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they came to life and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army.

11Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.’ 12“Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. 13“Then you will know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves and caused you to come up out of your graves, My people. 14“I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken and done it,” declares the LORD.’”

[...]

24“My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them. 25“They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever. 26“I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will place them and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever. 27“My dwelling place also will be with them; and I will be their God, and they will be My people. 28“And the nations will know that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.”’”



Hitler did what he did because he wanted to eradicate (murder) any traces of the Hebrew God in his society. He was also doing the words of satan.
We are speaking both of the People who deny Christ and Claim they are Jews, and of the government/people in Israel who stole the Land where they currently reside from the Palestinian people.

Yes Hitler was doing the will of Satan, this we can agree on.
 
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You speak with a false religious and anti-semetic spirit. Fact.
I speak as the word says to speak. If I offend, then it is because the word of God offends many.

God bless and guide you
 
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I speak as the word says to speak. If I offend, then it is because the word of God offends many.

God bless and guide you

If you believe that your words are without harm you are truly lost. That is not how anyone will be won. Where is the love in your comments? Do you honestly believe referencing Hitler is Christ-like? Or that calling Jews the synagogue of Satan enhances your witness?
 
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I have never seen a stranger spectacle than a Christian who hates Jews while professing a belief in a faith whose foundation is derived from Jews. What a mess!
There has always been a sub-current in Christian culture that Jewish masterminds are in a cabal with Satan to rule the world from Jerusalem. It has often led to violence and hatred in the past. May we never forget. It is the hysteria that Hitler was very adept at capitalizing on.
On the right, such extremism has now been pretty much contained to the fringe, to the odd poster on social media here and there whose presence on these threads is nevertheless always greater than the insignificant demographic that share their views.
When it comes to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, it is on the left that such views have become mainstream. In the Middle East, people like Ernst Zundl and the Holocaust deniers of the neo-fascist right have delivered the message to an eager audience. It has even reached American Congress now, and the leadership of the British Labour Party too.
It is being celebrated as "diversity".

Rashida Tlaib’s Ties To Anti-Semitism Run Deeper Than Previously Known
 
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There has always been a sub-current in Christian culture that Jews masterminds are in a cabal with Satan to rule the world from Jerusalem. It has often led to violence and hatred in the past. It is the hysteria that Hitler was very adept at capitalizing on.

I agree. I'm not a hatemonger and I don't understand that depth of depravity. Jews have endured much and their resilience is amazing. To rebound as they have after the Holocaust is unreal. The premise behind that remark is wealth and there is much within the Jewish community. There is also much envy and resentment too. I have encountered that in other groups.

On the right, such extremism has been pretty much contained to the fringe, to the odd poster on social media here and there whose presence on these threads is nevertheless always greater than the insignificant demographic that share their views.
When it comes to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, it is on the left that such views have become mainstream. In the middle east, people like Ernst Zundl and the Holocaust deniers of the neo-fascist right have reached an audience eager for that message. It has even reached American Congress now, and the leadership of the British Labour Party.
It is being celebrated as "diversity".

I do not agree with their behavior but I'm of the belief it is better to know my enemy than to be surprised by his sting. I don't worry what will become of us. I have infinite trust in Adonai. He has not forgotten us.

The increasing displays of hatred are merely the removal of masks that covered blackened hearts. They bear witness to the reality that many who walk beside us are not of Him. I see increasing evidence of this and view fellowship with new eyes.
 
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Of course there is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile) but all in Christ. Fully agree. However, God is not finished with His promises with the people of Israel who do embrace His Son Jesus as Messiah. We are not speaking of the secular government of Israel:

Ezekiel 37: NASB
1The hand of the LORD was upon me, and He brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me down in the middle of the valley; and it was full of bones. 2He caused me to pass among them round about, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley; and lo, they were very dry. 3He said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” And I answered, “O Lord GOD, You know.” 4Again He said to me, “Prophesy over these bones and say to them, ‘O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.’ 5“Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones, ‘Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life. 6‘I will put sinews on you, make flesh grow back on you, cover you with skin and put breath in you that you may come alive; and you will know that I am the LORD.’”

7So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold, a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to its bone. 8And I looked, and behold, sinews were on them, and flesh grew and skin covered them; but there was no breath in them. 9Then He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they come to life.”’” 10So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they came to life and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army.

11Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.’ 12“Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. 13“Then you will know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves and caused you to come up out of your graves, My people. 14“I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken and done it,” declares the LORD.’”

[...]

24“My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them. 25“They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever. 26“I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will place them and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever. 27“My dwelling place also will be with them; and I will be their God, and they will be My people. 28“And the nations will know that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.”’”



Hitler did what he did because he wanted to eradicate (murder) any traces of the Hebrew God in his society. He was also doing the words of satan.
Ez 37 speaks of the end when the Lord is gathering in all the righteous into the valley of the Mountain(verse 22 refers to the valley as the kingdom upon the mountains). So the servants being gathered are those who will accept Christ and then be gathered from amongst the wicked nations to the valley of the Mountain/the camp of the Saints/Jerusalem/the Kingdom upon many mountains.

This takes place after Jerusalem is taken(Zech 14:1-2, Isaiah 13:16) and Christ Spiritually stands on the mount of Olives(Zech 14:3, Ezekiel 11:23) to divide it in the midst(becoming the valley of the Mountain).


The covenant of Peace spoken of in verse 26 is the New covenant through Christ.
 
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What is the best moral example for building a wall then?
Yeah been waiting for an example. Maybe some European posters can enlighten us as they have border barriers too.
 
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Well the fact is the only Jews are Christians after the Circumcision of the Heart. The people who call themselves Jews but are not but are of the Synagogue of Satan are the Zionists.

Hitler wanted the Zionists out of his Country because of what they did to his country(it's all in his book), just because Hitler didn't know(or didn't care) that these Zionists were not actually to be called Jews means nothing.

Let's go back to your false statement. You've picked up on it again here - Hitler did not simply want Zionists (I'll come to that definition in another reply) out of Germany, he viewed Jews themselves as rats, as a sub-human species, as vermin to be eradicated. Anyone who did not fit the master race credentials. He murdered hundreds of thousands of Gypsies, the mentally ill, the disabled.
The majority of Jews he murdered had absolutely NO influence on zionism !
To say that he was simply after zionists, and misunderstood who he was addressing, is bewilderingly naive at best.
 
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As God evicted the Zionists that call themselves Jews in Israel today.

I think we need a reminder on the definition of zionists / zionism -
Zionism
Dictionary result for Zionism
/ˈzʌɪənɪz(ə)m/
noun
  1. 1.
    a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.
  2. 2.
    (in southern Africa) a religious movement represented by a group of independent Churches which practise a form of Christianity incorporating elements of traditional African beliefs.
A movement for the development and protection of the Jewish nation, in Israel. How can that be demonised and distorted so much ? We should ALL be zionists, based on definition ! Unless you have any nefarious motive as to why the Jewish nation should not flourish ?
 
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Let's go back to your false statement. You've picked up on it again here - Hitler did not simply want Zionists (I'll come to that definition in another reply) out of Germany, he viewed Jews themselves as rats, as a sub-human species, as vermin to be eradicated. Anyone who did not fit the master race credentials. He murdered hundreds of thousands of Gypsies, the mentally ill, the disabled.
The majority of Jews he murdered had absolutely NO influence on zionism !
To say that he was simply after zionists, and misunderstood who he was addressing, is bewilderingly naive at best.
I didn't say he didn't' kill anyone else brother. That would be an assumption on your part.

Hitler wanted the Zionists out, you call the Zionists the Jews but that is not the correct name for them since there are no Jews by blood anymore or by flesh only by the Circumcision of the heart.

So my statement remains true that Hitler falsely called them Jews, most likely out of ignorance of the Truth that only Christians are Jews after the Circumcision of the Heart.
 
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I think we need a reminder on the definition of zionists / zionism -
Zionism
Dictionary result for Zionism
/ˈzʌɪənɪz(ə)m/
noun
  1. 1.
    a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.
  2. 2.
    (in southern Africa) a religious movement represented by a group of independent Churches which practise a form of Christianity incorporating elements of traditional African beliefs.
A movement for the development and protection of the Jewish nation, in Israel. How can that be demonised and distorted so much ? We should ALL be zionists, based on definition ! Unless you have any nefarious motive as to why the Jewish nation should not flourish ?
Because the Lord took their nation from them because of their disobedience. Now they are not people with any claim on that Land by blood or by promise since they broke the commands of God. The Nation of Israel is the Lord's spiritual nation with all Christians(who are all Jews), Christians are the People the Lord chose. Only a remnant of the Old Jews will be spared/saved by faith in Christ.

The Zionist Nation has one purpose that means a great deal to me and that is the coming destruction of Jerusalem, by the Gathering of all nations against it, to set off the chain of events that lead to the great tribulation.

I wish that each and every person in Israel today would accept Christ and turn to God but that will not come to pass, so the events of Zech 14, and Isaiah 13:16 must come to pass.
 
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I didn't say he didn't' kill anyone else brother. That would be an assumption on your part.
Hitler wanted the Zionists out, you call the Zionists the Jews but that is not the correct name for them since there are no Jews by blood anymore or by flesh only by the Circumcision of the heart.

It's not an assumption at all, you stated a reason for the Holocaust, which left about 80-90 % of evidence unexplained. It's your job to cover that evidence if you make a bold statement, not mine !

The 'no Jews anymore because of the circumcision of the heart' is also flatly misunderstood by others on this board, - 'no Jew or Gentile' is only THROUGH Christ. Therefore, until Jews accept Christ as Lord, this reasoning is null & void.
The Jews will remain with the veil over them until the fullness of the Gentiles is complete. This division itself in Romans highlights the fact that there ARE Jews and Gentiles until the Lord's return begins to unfold.
 
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