Are we that close to socialism?

disciple Clint · Feb 4, 2019

Take Heed that no man deceives you!

This is based on Alinsky’s eight steps from democracy to socialist society.

Obama quotes him often in his book and Hillary did her thesis on Alinsky.

ALMOST DONE. JUST ONE ELECTION DECIDES OUR FATE… ALMOST THERE
There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist/communist State. The first is the most important
5 OF THE 8 ARE DONE – THE LAST 3 ARE ALMOST THERE

1. Healthcare: “Control Healthcare and you control the People” DONE !!

2 Poverty: Increase the Poverty level as high as possible.” Poor People are easier to control and will not fight back if the government is providing everything for them to live. DONE!!!

3. Debt: Increase the National Debt to an unsustainable level.” That way you are able to increase Taxes, and this will produce more Poverty. DONE!!!

4. Gun Control: Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a Police State – total local control. ALMOST THERE!!!

5. Welfare: Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Livestock, Housing, and Income). DONE!!!

6. Education: Take control of what People read & listen to; take control of what Children learn in School.
ALMOST THERE!!!

7. Religion: Remove faith in God from the Government and Schools.
ALMOST THERE!!!

8. Class Warfare: Divide the People into the Wealthy against the Poor. Racially divide. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to Tax the Wealthy with full support of
the voting Poor.
DONE!!! The bases are all covered! We are ripe! Esther Goodday believe the Democrats President will nail the coffin shut on the United States of America.
Mesquite Local News
OK thanks for the posts. I apologize to all of you for what appears to be a bogus article and I bought into hook line and sinker. It should have been a clue to me that the Mesquite Local News was not exactly a solid source for news. Lesson learned.

USincognito · Feb 5, 2019

Please tell us you didn't just cross post a chain e-mail that was printed as a letter to the editor.

Arcangl86 · Feb 5, 2019

Where are these 8 steps printed?

USincognito · Feb 5, 2019

FACT CHECK: Beware the Useful Idiots

USincognito · Feb 5, 2019

Arcangl86 said:
Where are these 8 steps printed?

Only in bogus chain e-mails.

Arcangl86 · Feb 5, 2019

USincognito said:
Only in bogus chain e-mails.

Oh I know. Anybody who actually has read Alinsky or trained in Alinsky style organizing would know this is bumpkis.

USincognito · Feb 5, 2019

Arcangl86 said:
Oh I know. Anybody who actually has read Alinsky or trained in Alinsky style organizing would know this is bumpkis.

I should have know that was the angle you were going for.

GoldenBoy89 · Feb 5, 2019

disciple Clint said:
Take Heed that no man deceives you!

This is based on Alinsky’s eight steps from democracy to socialist society.

Obama quotes him often in his book and Hillary did her thesis on Alinsky.

ALMOST DONE. JUST ONE ELECTION DECIDES OUR FATE… ALMOST THERE
There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist/communist State. The first is the most important
5 OF THE 8 ARE DONE – THE LAST 3 ARE ALMOST THERE

1. Healthcare: “Control Healthcare and you control the People” DONE !!

2 Poverty: Increase the Poverty level as high as possible.” Poor People are easier to control and will not fight back if the government is providing everything for them to live. DONE!!!

3. Debt: Increase the National Debt to an unsustainable level.” That way you are able to increase Taxes, and this will produce more Poverty. DONE!!!

4. Gun Control: Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a Police State – total local control. ALMOST THERE!!!

5. Welfare: Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Livestock, Housing, and Income). DONE!!!

6. Education: Take control of what People read & listen to; take control of what Children learn in School.
ALMOST THERE!!!

7. Religion: Remove faith in God from the Government and Schools.
ALMOST THERE!!!

8. Class Warfare: Divide the People into the Wealthy against the Poor. Racially divide. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to Tax the Wealthy with full support of
the voting Poor.
DONE!!! The bases are all covered! We are ripe! Esther Goodday believe the Democrats President will nail the coffin shut on the United States of America.
Mesquite Local News

So close and our transformation will be complete!

com7fy8 · Feb 5, 2019

disciple Clint said:
This is based on Alinsky’s eight steps from democracy to socialist society.

Obama quotes him often in his book and Hillary did her thesis on Alinsky.

Ok, so I do not know a thing about this person, not even if this is a he or a she. But . . . to start with > I am not going to believe someone, just because he or she says something and others say he or she says something. There are plenty of scholars who will tell us exact opposite things. So, I can test what you are giving, here, on a line-item basis.

First, by the way, I was told that a basic thing of communist doctrine is that it requires violent takeover. You have not included this. But let's see >

Disciple Clint you said:
There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist/communist State. The first is the most important
5 OF THE 8 ARE DONE – THE LAST 3 ARE ALMOST THERE

The first is to control health care,

you said:
1. Healthcare: “Control Healthcare and you control the People” DONE !!

Possibly, controlling money is more a first-place candidate, if anything. But this works only if we allow money to control us so that someone can control us by controlling money. This is not only a political matter, then, but we Jesus people can make sure that we are not under the power of money. Our Apostle Paul does say,

"I will not be brought under the power of any," in 1 Corinthians 6:12.

Also > about if communists can use health care to control America's three hundred million and more people > I think we know how some number of Americans can be very stubborn about accepting health care. Ones even commit suicide, rather than go through medical stuff, even if they can afford it. So, controlling health care can control people, yes, but not "the People".

So, I think it is wise not to try to paint all Americans with one brush, of what can control them and how. Not all are alike. But in a regimen of oppression, ones try to make all the same so one size fits all. So, if you are supposing that all Americans will tick the same way, because of political whatever, may be you have been tricked into having a philosophically oppressive way of seeing people.

But you have said not to be deceived. So, this to me means you can be able to see that each individual can think differently.

ToddNotTodd · Feb 5, 2019

Arcangl86 said:
Where are these 8 steps printed?

The Conspiracy Nuthob Gazette...

com7fy8 · Feb 5, 2019

disciple Clint said:
2 Poverty: Increase the Poverty level as high as possible.” Poor People are easier to control and will not fight back if the government is providing everything for them to live. DONE!!!

Well, in the United States, I think there is more than this going on. Ones, by the way, would say the ones called "poor" here are quite wealthy in comparison with poor in a lot of other countries.

But, though, I have seen how a number of Americans live. They could be dirtier than ones in other countries.

But America has a middle class. This can serve as a buffer between more poor people and the ones at the top. In order for lower poor people to rise up, they would need to get through the middle class.

But . . . maybe, more or less . . . in more purely communist places there can be only privileged and poor classes. But it seems some of these countries are seeing how things are in the U.S.; so they are trying to give their people more. For example, in China there is at least experimental capitalism.

So . . . what could happen? America could go socialist, then the people could say how about how things are in China? And then the socialists at the top might decide to experiment with capitalism????

com7fy8 · Feb 5, 2019

disciple Clint said:
3. Debt: Increase the National Debt to an unsustainable level.” That way you are able to increase Taxes, and this will produce more Poverty. DONE!!!

I understand that China has bought the national debt of the United States. So, paying the debt means more money for China. And China is more or less communist. But purchasing a debt is not violent takeover, but capitalism, isn't it?

So, yes there is a big debt, but this does not mean there will be effective political effort to pay it . . . back now to China.

It is not as simple as "DONE". We will see what really happens.

com7fy8 · Feb 5, 2019

disciple Clint said:
4. Gun Control: Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a Police State – total local control. ALMOST THERE!!!

Ok . . . so in order for the three hundred million and more Americans to be controlled by the police > there will have to be enough police for controlling . . . three hundred million and more people, all over the land the size of the United States of America. And you will need to recruit enough Americans who are willing to operate a police state for you.

So, if you believe this can be done, then you believe there are enough Americans who are psychopaths capable of helping to operate a police state!! And indeed in Germany Adolph was able to get enough psychopaths to operate his S.S. Those psychos indeed were present, even in Germany while it was functioning in a more civilized way > they were present in the regular population, I understand, and ready-to-go when a tyrant got into power.

So, a thing is, that in order for what you say to be true, there already must be a large number of very evil people already present and functioning in the American population. But they have not already taken over, at least in an obvious manner, because they do not feel they could get away with it, maybe.

Therefore, is the real danger socialism . . . or the presence of a large number of evil people who are ready-to-go at it??

But even if there are so many such selfish people > now they have lives, possibly which are to their satisfaction. So, they might not quite be interested in becoming part of a millions-strong police force which would be needed to control three hundred million and more people.

So, this is not going to happen, just because someone says so, I would say.

com7fy8 · Feb 5, 2019

disciple Clint said:
5. Welfare: Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Livestock, Housing, and Income). DONE!!!

What is happening, more or less, is how welfare in the United States is not controlling people. Ones can easily have babies, so they get money to use for drugs. So, it is maybe more about not controlling, rather than controlling. Drugs can take people out of the picture so they do not rise up against the powers that be.

And the drug users already might not be voting. So, if now drug business is somehow being controlled to keep certain people from voting, this already is something to consider. But I do not know statistics about if there is more drug use effecting more voters of one party than another. It seems that drug abuse is hitting all races and parties and well-to-do and not well-to-do people.

But I am pretty sure that welfare is not controlling a lot of people, who are indeed controlling how they jolly well please to spend their welfare money.

Plus, drug abuse can result in a lot of tax expense. So, this is a tricky item in the mix, for anyone trying to bring socialism and communism.

com7fy8 · Feb 5, 2019

disciple Clint said:
6. Education: Take control of what People read & listen to; take control of what Children learn in School.
ALMOST THERE!!!

It is reported that in China there is a major amount of people converting to Christianity, and this is for-real Christianity, not just copy-cat church clubbing and number seeking via marketing strategies. I see how if you have a bogus governing system, this can prove to people that Jesus is the superior One to trust to rule us.

So, if politicians want to make Jesus look good, by ruining all they can . . . we will see how that goes. God's grace is sufficient. He is able to satisfy and guide us, even while political bullies think they are taking away our freedom and lives by suing us for money.

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

Make sure you have defected to the theocracy of our King Jesus who rules us by means of His peace in each of our hearts.

Nithavela · Feb 5, 2019

GoldenBoy89 said:
So close and our transformation will be complete!

com7fy8 · Feb 5, 2019

disciple Clint said:
7. Religion: Remove faith in God from the Government and Schools.
ALMOST THERE!!!

Well, ones claim there was a time when government and school were Christian. And if only we would go back to that. But if what they had been doing is what really works, how come it has not kept working in their children? Possibly, because it was not what works!!

I consider > we possibly have had Christianity in culture only. And the children of such parents were finding out that copy-catting their parents was not satisfying them, deeply. And in their sin they were desperate to feel something that seemed like love. So, they went to peers who also did not know how to love. And the consequences have been deadly, including how now ones are getting cancer from that smoking which seemed so cool at the time.

Many claimers of Christianity were smokers and alcoholics and cheaters and fighters with their spouses. They might have refined their behavior for public, but deep inside they could be eaten alive by insecurity and misery and torment of various fears and rage and unforgiveness. Only Jesus can cure this >

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

USincognito · Feb 5, 2019

com7fy8 said:
But . . . maybe, more or less . . . in more purely communist places there can be only privileged and poor classes.

In a "purely" communist world there would be neither. But since perfected communism will never happen (and cannot happen as long as humans are humans) it's a Utopian pipe dream.

com7fy8 · Feb 5, 2019

disciple Clint said:
8. Class Warfare: Divide the People into the Wealthy against the Poor. Racially divide. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to Tax the Wealthy with full support of
the voting Poor.
DONE!!! The bases are all covered! We are ripe! Esther Goodday believe the Democrats President will nail the coffin shut on the United States of America.

I would say America now is in a political civil war. And the ones doing most of the fighting are well-to-do and educated politicians, on both sides.

Now, we have the threat that ones will lose their money if the "voting poor" have their way. Fear of losing money will not work. Fear of losing selfish freedoms will not work. Fear of cancer and dying has already not worked to stop smoking, among other things. So - - fear can not win.

I think of something else > in case "the voting poor" take power, then will be when simply someone else will become rich. Humans will tend to do the same thing, no matter which group or race gets into power > because we all are equal

Only Jesus can cure us of our selfishness-infected nature, and free us from how fear can make us slaves.

com7fy8 · Feb 5, 2019

USincognito said:
In a "purely" communist world there would be neither. But since perfected communism will never happen (and cannot happen as long as humans are humans) it's a Utopian pipe dream.

Ah-hah! Someone who can think! Thank you

We are indeed already equal, aren't we?

I think communism has certain points. And I see how independence can make every citizen one's own dictator; and this can isolate people to compete instead of learn how to love and share. But communism does not depend on love, as far as I know.

No law or system can make us love.

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