Query about believers who sin

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As regards a Christian being very aware when they sin, could you be more specific?
When you are suddenly very aware that you have sinned, what are the things you do, think or say that makes you very aware that you have sinned?

Biblically sin is transgression of Gods law the 10 commandments; now throughout the bible the principles of the 10 commandments are more fully explained/detailed by Jesus, but the 10 commandments are foundational to all the many teachings of Jesus.

They are listed here:

Exodus 20 BSB
 
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Biblically sin is transgression of Gods law the 10 commandments; now throughout the bible the principles of the 10 commandments are more fully explained/detailed by Jesus, but the 10 commandments are foundational to all the many teachings of Jesus.

They are listed here:

Exodus 20 BSB
Biblically sin is transgression of Gods law the 10 commandments; now throughout the bible the principles of the 10 commandments are more fully explained/detailed by Jesus, but the 10 commandments are foundational to all the many teachings of Jesus.

They are listed here:

Exodus 20 BSB
I know what the ten commandments say and I think that most people whether they are believers or not would agree that they set a standard in favour of morality.
The exceptions for nonbelievers would probably be the first second and third commandments. They would be irrelevant for a non-believer, although the third seems to present a problem for some believers.
If as you say the ten commandments help you as a Christian to determine right from wrong, then as most non-believers would, without any reference to the bible, know that to do those things in their life would be wrong. This makes a lie of the accusation often levelled at atheists that because they have no belief in the Christian god they therefore don't have the moral compass to determine right from wrong. Of course, the fact that they know something to be wrong does not necessarily mean they won't do it, but that applies to everyone, Christian and non-believer alike.
What I am saying here is that Christians do not hold the monopoly when it comes to knowing what is right and what is wrong.
 
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I know what the ten commandments say and I think that most people whether they are believers or not would agree that they set a standard in favour of morality.
The exceptions for nonbelievers would probably be the first second and third commandments. They would be irrelevant for a non-believer, although the third seems to present a problem for some believers.
If as you say the ten commandments help you as a Christian to determine right from wrong, then as most non-believers would, without any reference to the bible, know that to do those things in their life would be wrong. This makes a lie of the accusation often levelled at atheists that because they have no belief in the Christian god they therefore don't have the moral compass to determine right from wrong. Of course, the fact that they know something to be wrong does not necessarily mean they won't do it, but that applies to everyone, Christian and non-believer alike.
What I am saying here is that Christians do not hold the monopoly when it comes to knowing what is right and what is wrong.

Didn't say or claim Christians hold the monopoly on what is right or wrong, nor did I say atheists do not have a moral compass. And yes Christians do sin. The difference is what one believes of where that moral compass comes from. Many non-believers have morals obviously, where they believe they come from varies.
 
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Much confusion and conflict arises from the attempt to reconcile Jesus' more advanced teachings with those pronouncements in the Old Testament. It is far better to wholly embrace Jesus' teachings and reject older doctrines when clear distinctions arise. The attempt to rationalize backwards doctrines has the effect of grossly diluting Jesus' powerful and clear commands. Jesus came to us to reveal the true nature of a loving Father in heaven. There is no room here for a "jealous" or angry God--a God willing to punish the innocent off-spring of sinners to the 3rd generation (for example). The command to "love thy neighbor as thyself" requires us to let go of our prejudices. This is a great challenge to many modern Christians because so many indulge in such bigotry--often using Old Testament rationals to persecute women and various minority groups. Before God there is absolutely no difference between the sexes, and the spiritual standings of human being are the same, regardless of their religion or sexual identities.
 
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ibwaz having a chat with my partner this morning, she is a practicing Christian, and she wondered about forgiveness and judgement.

As she’s now gone off to church and I’m shortly off to the pub then football I thought I’d ask if there was a consensus.

If belief gets you into heaven but you repeatedly and knowingly commit sin (drinking alcohol and engaging in sexual relations outside marriage fir example) will you still be accepted and forgiven on judgement day?

Or might she be joining me and other non Christians in the lake of fire or wherever the other place is?

Question: "How bad can a Christian sin?"

Answer:
Christians continue to sin after they are saved – we will not be completely free from sin until we die or Jesus comes back. However, becoming a Christian results in a changed life (2 Corinthians 5:17). A person will go from producing the acts of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) to displaying the fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), as the indwelling Holy Spirit has more and more control over his life. This change does not happen instantly, but it does happen over time. If a person does not demonstrate a changed life, he/she is likely not a genuine believer. Christians can commit grievous sins. History is filled with Christians (or those who claim to be Christians) committing terrible crimes. Jesus died for these sins as well. All the more reason not to commit them!

In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, the Apostle Paul describes the kind of sinful lifestyles believers are saved from. Verse 11 says, “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” Notice the word “were.” Believers used to be like the things listed in verses 9-10, but they are not like that any longer. Can a person who is an adulterer, drunkard, homosexual, child abuser, etc. be saved? Yes. Is a person who lives a life of continual sin a believer? No. When we become Christians, our lives will change. Anyone who is living a sinful lifestyle and claims to be a Christian is either lying, is self-deceived, or really is a believer who is going to experience God’s judgment and discipline (Hebrews 12:5-11).

The difference between a sinning unbeliever and a sinning believer is that one loves his sin while the other hates it. The believer who stumbles in his walk with the Lord regrets it, confesses it, wishes to never do it again and seeks to appropriate God’s power and grace to avoid it. He doesn’t consider how much he can sin and still be considered a Christian. Rather, he considers how he can avoid even the appearance of sin in the future.

www.gotquestions.org/sin-Christian.html
 
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ibwaz having a chat with my partner this morning, she is a practicing Christian, and she wondered about forgiveness and judgement.

As she’s now gone off to church and I’m shortly off to the pub then football I thought I’d ask if there was a consensus.

If belief gets you into heaven but you repeatedly and knowingly commit sin (drinking alcohol and engaging in sexual relations outside marriage fir example) will you still be accepted and forgiven on judgement day?

Or might she be joining me and other non Christians in the lake of fire or wherever the other place is?

You can't escape sin, i.e. Jesus said if you are angry of your brother it is murder and look at women lustfully it is adultery.

That said God can save sinners, and if God saves you you have no choice but to be happily saved.

However I am torn on the following part, i.e. is it possible that God leave some of us in a state that is neigher saved nor condemned? i.e. if we choice to feed in His Word then we are saved else we will sink? If that is the case you better start to read the Bible more and go to church :)
 
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Thanks for the post!! It is pretty clear now that I didn't read enough Bible. 1 Tim. 2:3-4, and the other verses. I like the idea of "there is no per-destined fail". Maybe some (i.e. Judas), but not all.

You're welcome, glad to help!
 
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