Are you trying to say Noah didn't find grace in God's sight because I didn't quote Scripture? It's obvious you don;t know much of God's Word you claim to love. So here's the verse -
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
Moses said plainly Noah didn't have the law given to Israel. Moses doesn't specify the form of conveyance in Deut 5. Moses said very clearly Noah didn't have that covenant.How many times do you need to read Deut 5 before you understand what it says? You keep insisting Moses is lying.What's the matter LGW? can't you make a valid argument without projecting things people didn't say nor imply for support?
No one had the sabbath requirement prior to Israel departing from Egypt, spoken or written.Noah did, so ask either him or God.
The rest of your post has already been responded to from another of your posts.
Here you go again brother sadly speaking your own words over God's WORD and denying around 100 scriptures posted earlier showing that before the WRITTEN WORD God's people had the SPOKEN WORD of GOD. NOAH, ABRAHAM, JOSEPH, JACOB, MOSES, ADAM AND EVE, CAIN AND ABEL etc etc (
here click me) all had the SPOKEN WORD of GOD before the WRITTEN WORD of God given at Mt Sinai.
GENESIS 26:5 Because that ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE AND KEPT MY CHARGE, MAY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES AND
MY LAWS.
GENESIS 6:9, These are the generations of Noah. NOAH WAS A RIGHTOUES MAN, AND PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS; NOAH WALKED WITH GOD.
Are you seriously trying to argue brother that NOAH walked with God in SIN? As posted earlier BEFORE the WRITTEN WORD of GOD the scriptures make it very clear that God's people had the SPOKEN WORD of GOD and had God's LAWS BEFORE Mt Sinai (
here click me)
Your response was simply to ignore close to 100 scriptures posted that disagree with you.
How can you have God's GRACE without God's LAW when it is GOD'S LAW that leads to God's GRACE? It is because we are all SINNERS (broken God's LAW) that we need God's GRACE. As shown through the scriptures earlier that you simply ignored...
God's LAW (10 commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *
ROMANS 3:20;
ROMANS 7:7;
1 JOHN 3:4;
PSALMS 119:172. God's GRACE is for OBEDIENCE to the FAITH through the operation of God *
COLOSSIANS 2:12;
PHILIPPIANS 2:13.
WHAT IS GRACE FOR?
ROMANS 1:5 [5], By whom we have received
GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.
TITUS 2:11-12 [11], FOR THE
GRACE OF GOD HAS APPEARED BRINGING SALVATION TO ALL MEN, [12],
TEACHING US, THAT, DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORLDLY JUSTS, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, RIGHTOUESLY AND GODLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD
ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? SHALL WE SIN [break any one of God's 10 commandments], THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND?
God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:15-17 What then? SHALL WE SIN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT UNDER LAW BUT UNDER
GRACE?
GOD FORBID! [16] Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of SIN RESULTING IN DEATH, or of OBEDIENCE resulting in righteousness?
ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YES WE ESTABLISHE THE LAW.
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WORD MEANINGS OF GRACE
GRACE GREEK WORD χάρις; charis khar'-ece From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).
GRACE HEBREW WORD חן; chên khane From H2603; graciousness, that is, subjectively kindness, favor or objectively (beauty): - favour, grace (-ious), pleasant, precious, [well-] favoured.
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CONCLUSION: Grace is unmerited favour leading to a change of behaviour. God's GRACE IS FOR OBEDIENCE to GOD'S WORD to ESTABLISH God's LAW through FAITH in all those who are BORN AGAIN BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *
1 JOHN 3:9.
Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you and there is a lot of it. You cannot have God's GRACE without God's LAW because it is God's LAW that leads to God's GRACE *
GALATIANS 3:22-25
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Before the written WORD was the SPOKEN WORD
Thanks great question let's discuss it. Before the WRITTEN WORD of GOD there was the SPOKEN WORD of GOD *
GENESIS 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etc).
If BEFORE the written Word was given at SINIA there was the SPOKEN Word of God what makes you think that God's people did not KNOW about God's LAWS including God's SABBATH? Let's look at some examples that suggest God's LAW was known through the SPOKEN WORD BEFORE the WRITTEN WORD was given to God's ISRAEL.
When CAIN and ABEL were born it is clear from God’s WORD that there was SIN offerings for remission of sin as shown in
GENESIS 4:1-7. We are latter told that ENOCH and NOAH walked with God *
GENESIS 5:24;
GENESIS 6:8 so were following God’s ways. In NOAHS time the thoughts of men were only evil continually *
GENESIS 6:5-7. Jesus says that what defiles a man is an evil heart that breaks God’s commandments *
MATTHEW 15:16:19.
Before the Flood God made his Covenant with NOAH and his decendance *
GENESIS 9:1-9. When Abraham was present God spoke to Abraham and made his covenant with him and his descendance *
GENESIS 15:18. 17:2-19.
God said of Abraham that ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE AND KEPT MY CHARGE, MAY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES AND
MY LAWS. The HEBREW word used
for laws is TORAH. So, it is very clear that the SPOKEN WORD of GOD included God’s TORAH. The TORAH includes all God's LAWS of the OLD COVENANT from God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *
ROMANS 3:20;
ROMANS 7:7;
1 JOHN 3:4;
PSALMS 119:172 and the SHADOW laws for remission of sin (burn't offerings and sin offerings) if God's LAW was broken.
If they had no law BEFORE the written WORD of GOD then they would have no knowledge of what sin is. If they did not know what sin was there would have been no need of sin offerings. Yet here we also see in
GENESIS 22:2-7 that it was a regular practice for Abraham and his family to offer burnt offerings for sin. So before Mt Sinai God’s people had the SPOKEN Word of God after slavery to the Egyptians they received the WRITTEN Word of God but through all this time God’s people had a knowledge of what sin was and what to do if sin was committed.
Some more examples...
God said in
Genesis 4:7 to Cain when he was angry because he did not worship God in his appointed way that by doing this it was sin. Jesus says the same in
Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow and teachings of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God. Mankind was destroyed by a flood because of sin (
Genesis 6:5-7). Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of sin (
Genesis 18:20).
Jacob knew about SIN (breaking God's LAW) BEFORE Mt Sinia when he complained to Laben when he left with his daughters (
Genesis 31:36).
When Potiphar’s wife came to Joseph with the aim of committing adultery, Joseph knew it was sin and protested saying how then can I do this great wickedness,
and sin against God? (
Genesis 39:9).
As time goes by God detroys mankind for evil and sin with a flood as well as Sodom and Gommorah with fire and the Epyptians with plagues *
GENESIS 6:5-13;
GENESIS 13:10-13; 18:20-33; 19:24;
EXODUS 9:13-14. If there was no knowledge of sin there would be no punishment for it. God’s WORD is very clear that all of God’s Commandments were kept by God’s people before the written WORD through the Spoken WORD of GOD.
Thanks for the example you provided brother although it only shows God's WORD disagrees with you.
Only sent in LOVE as a help to you.