THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

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That sabbath is Jesus. "No, I came to accomplish their purpose."

Jesus is the time of rest that the old law foretold.

For the law, having a shadow of the coming good things, not the image itself of the things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually yearly, perfect those who approach.

We can follow the law out of joy, and we need not worry about the details, becasue the new law is written in our hearts, and we simply follow our hearts now, in Jesus name, :amen:.

Hmm, well that statement has no truth in it. Where does it say in God's WORD where you claim
SkyWriting, post: Jesus is the time of rest that the old law foretold"
or that Jesus is a Sabbath? Wait a minuete there is no scripture is there.

God's WORD says that the SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the week *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11; MATTHEW 12:8.

You mix up the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEGE of SIN when broken. If you do not know what the SHADOWS are how can you know what the SHADOWS point to?

You do know brother that God's WORD says that in the OLD COVENANT there were also special ceremonial sabbaths connected to the annual FEAST days that were not God's SEVENTH DAY Sabbath that could fall on any day of the week that were a part of the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK *EXODUS 24:7 of the OLD COVENANT right?

These special ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These cermonial FEAST sabbaths (not God's 4th Commandment) were connected directly to the festivals and were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

* NEED MORE SCRIPTURE?

Sorry brother, God's WORD disagrees with you.
 
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Matthew 11:28-30
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Indeed if you do not enter into the Gospel rest you cannot enter into the SABBATH rest. Now back to the OP.

Where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...
 
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Hmm, well that statement has no truth in it. Where does it say in God's WORD where you claim

or that Jesus is a Sabbath? Wait a minuete there is no scripture is there.
Jesus provides the rest not attainable by the law. Now I suppose you'll say I didn't offer any Scripture. That would be in error as I've quoted it many times and at least once to you.
God's WORD says that the SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the week *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11; MATTHEW 12:8.
So it does indeed. God's Word also says there will be a New Covenant unlike the one issued in the desert after departure from Egypt. There's no Scripture saying nor implying an amended continuing covenant. That covenant would be entirely new. Do you want to guess one of the things it doesn't include as a requirement? (hint - you talk about it all the time.)
You mix up the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEGE of SIN when broken. If you do not know what the SHADOWS are how can you know what the SHADOWS point to?
Yes and the sabbath days are a shadow law. The word in Col 2 is sabbaton implying the 7th day sabbath. The only reason I can think of that the KJV says sabbath days is there are so many of them (one every week). This is also the same list of religious observances found in Lev 23. Here's the passage yet again -

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Please note the punctuation at the end of verse 16. It matters not that there's no punctuation in the Greek because it has none.
You do know brother that God's WORD says that in the OLD COVENANT there were also special ceremonial sabbaths connected to the annual FEAST days that were not God's SEVENTH DAY Sabbath that could fall on any day of the week that were a part of the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK *EXODUS 24:7 of the OLD COVENANT right?

These special ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These cermonial FEAST sabbaths (not God's 4th Commandment) were connected directly to the festivals and were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

* NEED MORE SCRIPTURE?

Sorry brother, God's WORD disagrees with you.
Why do you not understand all celebrations are ceremonies? Yes the 7th day sabbath is a ceremony remembering a couple things.
 
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Indeed if you do not enter into the Gospel rest you cannot enter into the SABBATH rest. Now back to the OP.
You really expect us to believe that when Jesus offers a rest sabbath keepers don't have? The rest Jesus offers is God's rest God said they would never enter.

The rest of your post is filler.
 
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GENESIS 26:5 Because that ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE AND KEPT MY CHARGE, MAY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES AND MY LAWS.
This isn't the famous 10 no matter how you say it because Moses said -

"The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day."
The HEBREW word used for laws is TORAH. So, it is very clear that the SPOKEN WORD of GOD included God’s TORAH. The TORAH includes God's LAWS of the OLD COVENANT from God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and the SHADOW laws for remission of sin (burn't offerings and sin offerings) if God's LAW was broken.
It's clear the famous 10 are the Torah. Now if you want to use a lower case letter we have a different meaning to the word "torah."
If God's people before the written WORD had no law BEFORE the written WORD of GOD then they would have no knowledge of what sin is. If they did not know what sin was there would have been no need of sin offerings. Yet here we also see in GENESIS 22:2-7 that it was a regular practice for Abraham and his family to offer burnt offerings for sin.
Why do you say this when Pharaoh knew it was wrong to commit adultery long before the law (famous 10) was issued. Moses said he didn't have the famous 10 as I said above. They were given to Israel alone after departure from Egypt.
So before Mt Sinai God’s people had the SPOKEN Word of God after slavery to the Egyptians they received the WRITTEN Word of God but through all this time God’s people had a knowledge of what sin was and what to do if sin was committed.
Then indeed the famous 10 have no function. Remember you claim we know sin only by them. That's simply not true.
Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you as well as the close to 100 scriptures posted earlier showing before their was the WRITTEN WORD of GOD there was the SPOKEN WORD of GOD (here click me). Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.
You must be preaching to yourself with this statement.
 
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Hmm all I hear is your words again denying God's WORD and not responding to the scriptures and the post you are quoting from.
Only because you're not reading the Scripture I quote and reference.
You did not answer the question asked of you again and did not address the scriptures posted that disagree with you which was. How can you be "UNDER THE LAW" *ROMANS 3:19 if your not guilty of breaking it? ROMANS 3:9-19 has already shown that ALL (JEW and GENTILES) are all under SIN, all have broken God's LAW and stand guilty before God. You cannot be under sin without breaking God's LAW when SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments) *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4
Yes I did and even defined the words. So you must be by-passing what I post.
Where does it say God's LAW (10 commandments) controls you? The role of God's LAW (10 commandments) is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. It is SIN that controls us not God's LAW (10 commandments). It is God's LAW that gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when we break God's Commandments *ROMANS 3:20; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7.
Why do you harp on the famous 10? Isn't it to get us under their control? You say no, but also say we violate them if we don't keep them. That's control by them.
God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

Sorry brother, ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

Hope this helps
The famous 10 aren't the words of Jesus.
 
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Brother these are God's WORD not mine. Who was it that was "UNDER THE LAW"? Yep both JEWS and GENTILES for all have sinned.

ROMANS 3:19 NOW WE KNOW THAT WHAT THINGS SOEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SPEAKS TO THEM THAT ARE UNDER THE LAW; THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.
Just where does this verse say what you claim above? Where was the world ever required to keep the law? Please quote the verse. It isn't Rom 3:19.
What is the CONTEXT of v19?

ROMANS 3:9-18
[9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that THEY ARE ALL (Jew and Gentile) UNDER SIN;
[10], As it is written, THERE IS NONE (Jew and Gentile) RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE:
[11], There is none (Jew and Gentile) that understands, there is none that seeks after God.
[12], They are all (Jew and Gentile) gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none (Jew and Gentile) that does good, no, not one (Jew and Gentile).
[13], Their throat (Jew and Gentile) is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
[14], Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness (Jew and Gentile):
[15], Their feet (Jew and Gentile) are swift to shed blood:
[16], Destruction and misery are in their ways (Jew and Gentile):
[17], And the way of peace have they (Jew and Gentile) not known:
[18], There is no fear of God before their eyes (Jew and Gentile).
[19] NOW WE KNOW THAT WHAT THINGS SOEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SPEAKS TO THEM THAT ARE UNDER THE LAW; THAT EVERY MOUTH (Jew and Gentile) MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD (Jew and Gentile) MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.

Sorry brother, ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

Hope this helps.
Not a single thing above proves your point without adding to Scripture.

There's another problem because you continually say the NT isn't Scripture. So why are you even bothering with it? Doesn't make sense to me.
 
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Matthew 11:28-30
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Don't you follow common laws given to you by your governing authority, like stopping at a stop red light? Keeping the laws of the authority shows you are under authority of the lawmaker. In God's Kingdom, it's the same concept. There is a Law (Torah) and keeping those commandments show we are UNDER HIS AUTHORITY.

The Law does not grant us salvation but we should try to keep it to be in obedience to our King. As Jesus walked the Earth, only the OT was written. So, what laws do you think He kept? He also honored every single Feast day and actually took part all the Feast days, which ALL point to Him!

-Jesus/Yeshua was the Passover Lamb. (Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!)
-For the Feast of Unleavened Bread, leaven represents sin and Jesus/Yeshua was sinless!
-For 'First Fruits,' Jesus/Yeshua was the FIRST 'fruit' (resurrected) up to God, the Father.
-For 'Shavuot/Feast of Weeks/Pentecost, He promised His Holy Spirit and it arrived on Shavuot!
 
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Here you go again brother sadly speaking your own words over God's WORD and denying around 100 scriptures posted earlier showing that before the WRITTEN WORD God's people had the SPOKEN WORD of GOD. NOAH, ABRAHAM, JOSEPH, JACOB, MOSES, ADAM AND EVE, CAIN AND ABEL etc etc (here click me) all had the SPOKEN WORD of GOD before the WRITTEN WORD of God given at Mt Sinai.
Are you trying to say Noah didn't find grace in God's sight because I didn't quote Scripture? It's obvious you don;t know much of God's Word you claim to love. So here's the verse -

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Moses said plainly Noah didn't have the law given to Israel. Moses doesn't specify the form of conveyance in Deut 5. Moses said very clearly Noah didn't have that covenant.
GENESIS 26:5 Because that ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE AND KEPT MY CHARGE, MAY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES AND MY LAWS.
How many times do you need to read Deut 5 before you understand what it says? You keep insisting Moses is lying.
GENESIS 6:9, These are the generations of Noah. NOAH WAS A RIGHTOUES MAN, AND PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS; NOAH WALKED WITH GOD.

Are you seriously trying to argue brother that NOAH walked with God in SIN? As posted earlier BEFORE the WRITTEN WORD of GOD the scriptures make it very clear that God's people had the SPOKEN WORD of GOD and had God's LAWS BEFORE Mt Sinai (here click me)
Your response was simply to ignore close to 100 scriptures posted that disagree with you.
What's the matter LGW? can't you make a valid argument without projecting things people didn't say nor imply for support?

No one had the sabbath requirement prior to Israel departing from Egypt, spoken or written.
How can you have God's GRACE without God's LAW when it is GOD'S LAW that leads to God's GRACE? It is because we are all SINNERS (broken God's LAW) that we need God's GRACE. As shown through the scriptures earlier that you simply ignored...
Noah did, so ask either him or God.

The rest of your post has already been responded to from another of your posts.
 
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What man esteems is not what God esteems. What man esteems is an abomination in God's eyes * LUKE 16:15. Your trying to read into ROMANS 14 what it is not saying. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.
You've been asked if you esteem any day. I'm not asking why. You refuse to answer this question. Rom 14 addresses what men esteem.
According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.
You've a sever personal problem by what you post and claim to do.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Why aren't you in compliance with that commandment?
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
So is your amended sabbath keeping. Now we're on the same level as us.
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
Only because you refuse to believe what Scripture says.
 
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Jesus provides the rest not attainable by the law.
Whos says rest is attanable by the law? If no one has ever said or believe such things why pretend that they have?
Now I suppose you'll say I didn't offer any Scripture. That would be in error as I've quoted it many times and at least once to you.
Scripture is never the problem. The CONTEXT you leave out and your interpretation of the scriptures however is another story as already shown by providing God's WORD in previous posts that show your error of interpretation that you choose to ignore. The sad thing however is that ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear as it will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. At this time however it will be too late for many that had the chance to hear God's WORD but choose to turn away from it.
 
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God's Word also says there will be a New Covenant unlike the one issued in the desert after departure from Egypt. There's no Scripture saying nor implying an amended continuing covenant. That covenant would be entirely new. Do you want to guess one of the things it doesn't include as a requirement? (hint - you talk about it all the time.)
Indeed the NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

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Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this helps.
 
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Yes and the sabbath days are a shadow law. The word in Col 2 is sabbaton implying the 7th day sabbath. The only reason I can think of that the KJV says sabbath days is there are so many of them (one every week). This is also the same list of religious observances found in Lev 23. Here's the passage yet again -

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Please note the punctuation at the end of verse 16. It matters not that there's no punctuation in the Greek because it has none.
Why do you not understand all celebrations are ceremonies? Yes the 7th day sabbath is a ceremony remembering a couple things.

Sadly for you this is rubbish brother. Your just repeating yourself without addressing any of the scriptures provided as a help to you. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

You do know brother that God's WORD says that in the OLD COVENANT besides the weekly SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of God's 4th commandment there were also special ceremonial sabbaths connected to the annual FEAST days that were not God's SEVENTH DAY Sabbath that could fall on any day of the week that were a part of the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK *EXODUS 24:7 of the OLD COVENANT right?

These special ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These cermonial FEAST sabbaths (not God's 4th Commandment) were connected directly to the festivals and were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

* NEED MORE SCRIPTURE?

Sorry brother, God's WORD disagrees with you.
 
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You really expect us to believe that when Jesus offers a rest sabbath keepers don't have? The rest Jesus offers is God's rest God said they would never enter. The rest of your post is filler.

Your confused and here is why...'

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

NOTE
: That those who BELIEVED God's WORD enter into God's REST. Also note the CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD and enter into that rest.

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

[10], For he that is entered into his rest (v9 SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb 3).

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 4 is talking about the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD; v29 Learn of me; v30 my burden (doing) is light. This agrees with Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEBREWS 4:9 is in reference to God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST which is the CONTEXT shown in HEBREWS 4:1-5. HEBREWS 4 therefore with context added is saying that no one enter God's Sabbath rest if they do not BELIEVE God's WORD or follow it.
 
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This isn't the famous 10 no matter how you say it because Moses said - "The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day."It's clear the famous 10 are the Torah. Now if you want to use a lower case letter we have a different meaning to the word "torah."Why do you say this when Pharaoh knew it was wrong to commit adultery long before the law (famous 10) was issued. Moses said he didn't have the famous 10 as I said above. They were given to Israel alone after departure from Egypt.Then indeed the famous 10 have no function. Remember you claim we know sin only by them. That's simply not true.You must be preaching to yourself with this statement.

You simply provide your words while ignoring God's WORD.

GENESIS 26:5 Because that ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE AND KEPT MY CHARGE, MAY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES AND MY LAWS.

The HEBREW word used for laws is TORAH. So, it is very clear that the SPOKEN WORD of GOD included God’s TORAH. The TORAH includes God's LAWS of the OLD COVENANT from God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and the SHADOW laws for remission of sin (burn't offerings and sin offerings) if God's LAW was broken.

If God's people before the written WORD had no law BEFORE the written WORD of GOD then they would have no knowledge of what sin is. If they did not know what sin was there would have been no need of sin offerings. Yet here we also see in GENESIS 22:2-7 that it was a regular practice for Abraham and his family to offer burnt offerings for sin.So before Mt Sinai God’s people had the SPOKEN Word of God after slavery to the Egyptians they received the WRITTEN Word of God but through all this time God’s people had a knowledge of what sin was and what to do if sin was committed.Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you as well as the close to 100 scriptures posted earlier showing before their was the WRITTEN WORD of GOD there was the SPOKEN WORD of GOD (here click me). Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
 
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Are you trying to say Noah didn't find grace in God's sight because I didn't quote Scripture? It's obvious you don;t know much of God's Word you claim to love. So here's the verse -

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Moses said plainly Noah didn't have the law given to Israel. Moses doesn't specify the form of conveyance in Deut 5. Moses said very clearly Noah didn't have that covenant.How many times do you need to read Deut 5 before you understand what it says? You keep insisting Moses is lying.What's the matter LGW? can't you make a valid argument without projecting things people didn't say nor imply for support?

No one had the sabbath requirement prior to Israel departing from Egypt, spoken or written.Noah did, so ask either him or God.

The rest of your post has already been responded to from another of your posts.

Here you go again brother sadly speaking your own words over God's WORD and denying around 100 scriptures posted earlier showing that before the WRITTEN WORD God's people had the SPOKEN WORD of GOD. NOAH, ABRAHAM, JOSEPH, JACOB, MOSES, ADAM AND EVE, CAIN AND ABEL etc etc (here click me) all had the SPOKEN WORD of GOD before the WRITTEN WORD of God given at Mt Sinai.

GENESIS 26:5 Because that ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE AND KEPT MY CHARGE, MAY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES AND MY LAWS.

GENESIS 6:9, These are the generations of Noah. NOAH WAS A RIGHTOUES MAN, AND PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS; NOAH WALKED WITH GOD.

Are you seriously trying to argue brother that NOAH walked with God in SIN? As posted earlier BEFORE the WRITTEN WORD of GOD the scriptures make it very clear that God's people had the SPOKEN WORD of GOD and had God's LAWS BEFORE Mt Sinai (here click me)
Your response was simply to ignore close to 100 scriptures posted that disagree with you.

How can you have God's GRACE without God's LAW when it is GOD'S LAW that leads to God's GRACE? It is because we are all SINNERS (broken God's LAW) that we need God's GRACE. As shown through the scriptures earlier that you simply ignored...

God's LAW (10 commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's GRACE is for OBEDIENCE to the FAITH through the operation of God *COLOSSIANS 2:12; PHILIPPIANS 2:13.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

ROMANS 1:5 [5], By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

TITUS 2:11-12 [11], FOR THE GRACE OF GOD HAS APPEARED BRINGING SALVATION TO ALL MEN, [12], TEACHING US, THAT, DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORLDLY JUSTS, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, RIGHTOUESLY AND GODLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? SHALL WE SIN [break any one of God's 10 commandments], THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 6:15-17 What then? SHALL WE SIN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT UNDER LAW BUT UNDER GRACE? GOD FORBID! [16] Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of SIN RESULTING IN DEATH, or of OBEDIENCE resulting in righteousness?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YES WE ESTABLISHE THE LAW.

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WORD MEANINGS OF GRACE

GRACE GREEK WORD χάρις; charis khar'-ece From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).

GRACE HEBREW WORD חן; chên khane From H2603; graciousness, that is, subjectively kindness, favor or objectively (beauty): - favour, grace (-ious), pleasant, precious, [well-] favoured.

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CONCLUSION: Grace is unmerited favour leading to a change of behaviour. God's GRACE IS FOR OBEDIENCE to GOD'S WORD to ESTABLISH God's LAW through FAITH in all those who are BORN AGAIN BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *1 JOHN 3:9.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you and there is a lot of it. You cannot have God's GRACE without God's LAW because it is God's LAW that leads to God's GRACE *GALATIANS 3:22-25

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Before the written WORD was the SPOKEN WORD

Thanks great question let's discuss it. Before the WRITTEN WORD of GOD there was the SPOKEN WORD of GOD * GENESIS 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etc).

If BEFORE the written Word was given at SINIA there was the SPOKEN Word of God what makes you think that God's people did not KNOW about God's LAWS including God's SABBATH? Let's look at some examples that suggest God's LAW was known through the SPOKEN WORD BEFORE the WRITTEN WORD was given to God's ISRAEL.

When CAIN and ABEL were born it is clear from God’s WORD that there was SIN offerings for remission of sin as shown in GENESIS 4:1-7. We are latter told that ENOCH and NOAH walked with God *GENESIS 5:24; GENESIS 6:8 so were following God’s ways. In NOAHS time the thoughts of men were only evil continually *GENESIS 6:5-7. Jesus says that what defiles a man is an evil heart that breaks God’s commandments *MATTHEW 15:16:19.

Before the Flood God made his Covenant with NOAH and his decendance *GENESIS 9:1-9. When Abraham was present God spoke to Abraham and made his covenant with him and his descendance *GENESIS 15:18. 17:2-19.

God said of Abraham that ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE AND KEPT MY CHARGE, MAY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES AND MY LAWS. The HEBREW word used for laws is TORAH. So, it is very clear that the SPOKEN WORD of GOD included God’s TORAH. The TORAH includes all God's LAWS of the OLD COVENANT from God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and the SHADOW laws for remission of sin (burn't offerings and sin offerings) if God's LAW was broken.

If they had no law BEFORE the written WORD of GOD then they would have no knowledge of what sin is. If they did not know what sin was there would have been no need of sin offerings. Yet here we also see in GENESIS 22:2-7 that it was a regular practice for Abraham and his family to offer burnt offerings for sin. So before Mt Sinai God’s people had the SPOKEN Word of God after slavery to the Egyptians they received the WRITTEN Word of God but through all this time God’s people had a knowledge of what sin was and what to do if sin was committed.

Some more examples...

God said in Genesis 4:7 to Cain when he was angry because he did not worship God in his appointed way that by doing this it was sin. Jesus says the same in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow and teachings of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God. Mankind was destroyed by a flood because of sin (Genesis 6:5-7). Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of sin (Genesis 18:20).

Jacob knew about SIN (breaking God's LAW) BEFORE Mt Sinia when he complained to Laben when he left with his daughters (Genesis 31:36).

When Potiphar’s wife came to Joseph with the aim of committing adultery, Joseph knew it was sin and protested saying how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? (Genesis 39:9).

As time goes by God detroys mankind for evil and sin with a flood as well as Sodom and Gommorah with fire and the Epyptians with plagues *GENESIS 6:5-13; GENESIS 13:10-13; 18:20-33; 19:24; EXODUS 9:13-14. If there was no knowledge of sin there would be no punishment for it. God’s WORD is very clear that all of God’s Commandments were kept by God’s people before the written WORD through the Spoken WORD of GOD.

Thanks for the example you provided brother although it only shows God's WORD disagrees with you.

Only sent in LOVE as a help to you.
 
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Only because you're not reading the Scripture I quote and reference.Yes I did and even defined the words. So you must be by-passing what I post.Why do you harp on the famous 10? Isn't it to get us under their control? You say no, but also say we violate them if we don't keep them. That's control by them.The famous 10 aren't the words of Jesus.

Hmm all I hear is your words again denying God's WORD and not responding to the scriptures and the post you are quoting from again. You did not answer the question asked of you again and did not address the scriptures posted that disagree with you which was. How can you be "UNDER THE LAW" *ROMANS 3:19 if your not guilty of breaking it? ROMANS 3:9-19 has already shown that ALL (JEW and GENTILES) are all under SIN, all have broken God's LAW and stand guilty before God. You cannot be under sin without breaking God's LAW when SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments) *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4.

Where does it say God's LAW (10 commandments) controls you? The role of God's LAW (10 commandments) is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. It is SIN that controls us not God's LAW (10 commandments).

It is God's LAW that gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when we break God's Commandments *ROMANS 3:20; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7.God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

Sorry brother, ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

Hope this helps
 
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Just where does this verse say what you claim above? Where was the world ever required to keep the law? Please quote the verse. It isn't Rom 3:19.Not a single thing above proves your point without adding to Scripture. There's another problem because you continually say the NT isn't Scripture. So why are you even bothering with it? Doesn't make sense to me.

Brother these are God's WORD not mine. Who was it that was "UNDER THE LAW"? Yep both JEWS and GENTILES for all have sinned.

ROMANS 3:19 NOW WE KNOW THAT WHAT THINGS SOEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SPEAKS TO THEM THAT ARE UNDER THE LAW; THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.What is the CONTEXT of v19?

ROMANS 3:9-18
[9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that THEY ARE ALL (Jew and Gentile) UNDER SIN;
[10], As it is written, THERE IS NONE (Jew and Gentile) RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE:
[11], There is none (Jew and Gentile) that understands, there is none that seeks after God.
[12], They are all (Jew and Gentile) gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none (Jew and Gentile) that does good, no, not one (Jew and Gentile).
[13], Their throat (Jew and Gentile) is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
[14], Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness (Jew and Gentile):
[15], Their feet (Jew and Gentile) are swift to shed blood:
[16], Destruction and misery are in their ways (Jew and Gentile):
[17], And the way of peace have they (Jew and Gentile) not known:
[18], There is no fear of God before their eyes (Jew and Gentile).
[19] NOW WE KNOW THAT WHAT THINGS SOEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SPEAKS TO THEM THAT ARE UNDER THE LAW; THAT EVERY MOUTH (Jew and Gentile) MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD (Jew and Gentile) MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.

Sorry brother, ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

Hope this helps.
 
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You've been asked if you esteem any day. I'm not asking why. You refuse to answer this question. Rom 14 addresses what men esteem. You've a sever personal problem by what you post and claim to do.Why aren't you in compliance with that commandment?So is your amended sabbath keeping. Now we're on the same level as us.Only because you refuse to believe what Scripture says.

Please show me anywhere in ROMANS 14 that it is talking about God's 4th commandment. If you cannot your trying to read into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

Some points to consider in Romans 14:1-15

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Does this not worry you?

Hope this helps.
 
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