Are you willing to commit treason for the Lord?

Perhaps if you gives examples. Perhaps Bonhoeffer? And a better one by far, Wilberforce. Defectors from the Soviet Union?

Hishandmaiden said:

Jeremiah 21:9 Whoever stays in this city will die by the sword, famine or plague. But whoever goes out and surrenders to the Babylonians who are besieging you will live; they will escape with their lives.

Are we willing to endure treason for God?

Jeremiah preached treason against Israel. He asked her people to surrender to her enemies in times of wars. If ever America went to wars with another country, and God told you to ask the people in America to surrender to that country, are you willing to do that? If you are willing to do that, you will be consider a traitor to your own country. You will be committing the worst of crime in your country, treason.

Yet, that is what Jeremiah did. He committed treason against his own country, for the sake of the Lord. He really loves God by his actions and not his words.

What about you? Are you willing to commit treason for the Lord?

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Such actions always have a starting place of humble obedience to the Holy Spirit in normal life, long before extreme measures are required.

If you read any of the books on the Holocaust, you will find the same with those who risked their lives to rescue Jews.

There's an excellent book, I think called "Conscience and Courage".
The Jewish author set out to discover what made a rescuer as opposed to all those who betrayed the Jews.

The overriding impression is that they already walked according to their conscience before the crisis of war came.
That made them very receptive to the Holy Spirit when He called them to action.

Hello handmaiden. Very interesting post. Thank you. I wonder if a modern day example can be some of the leaders who have signed the most wicked statutes into law. Elizabeth Windsor for example signing abortion/SSM into law. In these circumstances not committing treason against man is treason against the Lord most High. God Bless

Hishandmaiden said:

Jeremiah 21:9 Whoever stays in this city will die by the sword, famine or plague. But whoever goes out and surrenders to the Babylonians who are besieging you will live; they will escape with their lives.

Are we willing to endure treason for God?

Jeremiah preached treason against Israel. He asked her people to surrender to her enemies in times of wars. If ever America went to wars with another country, and God told you to ask the people in America to surrender to that country, are you willing to do that? If you are willing to do that, you will be consider a traitor to your own country. You will be committing the worst of crime in your country, treason.

Yet, that is what Jeremiah did. He committed treason against his own country, for the sake of the Lord. He really loves God by his actions and not his words.

What about you? Are you willing to commit treason for the Lord?

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I don’t think that constitutes treason. People have been protesting wars as long as I can remember and they weren’t charged with treason.

GoldenKingGaze said:

Perhaps if you gives examples. Perhaps Bonhoeffer? And a better one by far, Wilberforce. Defectors from the Soviet Union?

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To my knowledge, William Wilberforce was never involved in treason.

Francis Drake said:

To my knowledge, William Wilberforce was never involved in treason.

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Yes, Wilberforce was a proper constitutional monarchist, and I suppose if hard pressed he would have chosen God and not state, like Bonhoeffer. He risked the economy for slaves to be set free. He wasn't a war hero was he? His opponents may have been. His interests differed from some other statesmen.

GoldenKingGaze said:

Yes, Wilberforce was a proper constitutional monarchist, and I suppose if hard pressed he would have chosen God and not state, like Bonhoeffer. He risked the economy for slaves to be set free. He wasn't a war hero was he? His opponents may have been. His interests differed from some other statesmen.

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Wilberforce was a key member of what after his death became known as the Clapham Sect.
He chose to fully serve God in private life and public service, and was the key driving force behind the legislation to end slavery.

Its a pity that more Christians don't get involved in politics, and sadly, many that do seem to be more influenced by political correctness than the Holy Spirit.

Interestingly, I was born in Kinston upon Hull in East Yorkshire, Wilberforce's birth place. I still remember a school trip around Wilberforce House back in the early 60s.

Francis Drake said:

Wilberforce was a key member of what after his death became known as the Clapham Sect.
He chose to fully serve God in private life and public service, and was the key driving force behind the legislation to end slavery.

Its a pity that more Christians don't get involved in politics, and sadly, many that do seem to be more influenced by political correctness than the Holy Spirit.

Interestingly, I was born in Kinston upon Hull in East Yorkshire, Wilberforce's birth place. I still remember a school trip around Wilberforce House back in the early 60s.

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Yes, some people protest to entering politics, and want things to still somehow fall into place. Instead, new laws in New York permit abortion up to birth. We do not know how depraved government will get unless we run for government here and there.

GoldenKingGaze said:

Yes, some people protest to entering politics, and want things to still somehow fall into place. Instead, new laws in New York permit abortion up to birth. We do not know how depraved government will get unless we run for government here and there.

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One of the most profound lessons in scripture is this.-
1Kings13v33Even after these events, Jeroboam did not repent of his evil ways, but again he appointed priests for the high places from every class of people. He ordained anyone who desired to be a priest of the high places. 34And this was the sin of the house of Jeroboam that led to its extermination and destruction from the face of the earth.

After the division between Israel and Judah, and Jeroboam had become king of the Northern Kingdom. he erected altars to Baal in Samaria and Bethel.
That is referred to as the sin of Jeroboam that caused Israel to sin.
And if you check scripture you will find the sin of Jeroboam constantly referred to down the ages, until the day that God destroys Israel.

Our nations have done exactly the same in many many new laws they have enacted over the years. And like the sin of Jeroboam that caused Israel to sin, they have caused our nations to sin.
Without national repentance, and removal of those laws, God will judge our nations.

Our evil abortion laws have caused us to sin for many decades, with the blood of millions crying out from the land.
Britain, America, Australia are all guilty, and still certain teachers and denominations tell us that Christians should not enter politics.

If Christians abdicate politics, there are plenty of Baal worshipers and sodomites willing to take that role and make evil laws in our name.

Francis Drake said:

If Christians abdicate politics, there are plenty of Baal worshipers and sodomites willing to take that role and make evil laws in our name.

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Hello Drake. I heard a speaker about 9-10 years ago, George Hargreaves, stood as a candidate for UKIP. He said that as a Christian he was constrained by the party as to what he could and couldn't say, pressure to tow the party line on many issues. Christian candidates standing in non-Christian parties, didn't seem to work. So he founded the Scottish Christian Party- Christian policies and values. Christians/ churchgoers would not support the Christian party, they preferred to go with anti-Christian parties. In the Scottish parliament 5% of the vote could give a seat and many smaller/fringe groups have had representation. Christians have not because of their chronic disunity and cloud cuckoo land views on social issues. For example, the PM passing a range of ungodly laws is generally seen as a lovely Christian woman, Elizabeth Windsor, who signed abortion into law too. In summary I think we abdicated the political realm many years ago and a series of ungodly laws will be the harvest. God Bless

lismore said:

Hello Drake. I heard a speaker about 9-10 years ago, George Hargreaves, stood as a candidate for UKIP.

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I met George Hargreaves when he stood as a candidate at the Referendum Party National Rally at Alexandra Palace before the 1997 general election.
The Referendum Party closed down after the 1997 election and most people, myself included migrated to UKIP.

He said that as a Christian he was constrained by the party as to what he could and couldn't say, pressure to tow the party line on many issues. Christian candidates standing in non-Christian parties, didn't seem to work. So he founded the Scottish Christian Party- Christian policies and values. Christians/ churchgoers would not support the Christian party, they preferred to go with anti-Christian parties. In the Scottish parliament 5% of the vote could give a seat and many smaller/fringe groups have had representation. Christians have not because of their chronic disunity and cloud cuckoo land views on social issues. For example, the PM passing a range of ungodly laws is generally seen as a lovely Christian woman, Elizabeth Windsor, who signed abortion into law too. In summary I think we abdicated the political realm many years ago and a series of ungodly laws will be the harvest. God Bless

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Although I never stood as a candidate, I have campaigned for UKIP for over 20 years. There are many Christians in UKIP, and I suspect most understand the nature of the Beast (literally) when dealing with the EU.
Coming out of the EU is not just a political ideal, but a deeply spiritual necessity. There is a massive controlling stronghold of Babylon over the EU and that is why there have been so many antichrist laws rammed down our throats.

In my experience, most Christians are idiots up to their necks in Political correctness with no clue about spiritual discernment. Hence they happily support the most ungodly of bills through Parliament.
That's not surprising though, given that the Church of England appoints the most ungodly of priests.

Francis Drake said:

I met George Hargreaves when he stood as a candidate at the Referendum Party National Rally at Alexandra Palace before the 1997 general election.
The Referendum Party closed down after the 1997 election and most people, myself included migrated to UKIP.

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When I heard him speak George Hargreaves view was that you can't be a functioning Christian in any secular party, you'll have to shut up and tow the line, keeping your Christian values under wraps. UKIPs view on a lot of issues really needled him, abortion perhaps being one. Which is why he founded the Christian Party.

God Bless

Hishandmaiden said:

Jeremiah 21:9 Whoever stays in this city will die by the sword, famine or plague. But whoever goes out and surrenders to the Babylonians who are besieging you will live; they will escape with their lives.

Are we willing to endure treason for God?

Jeremiah preached treason against Israel. He asked her people to surrender to her enemies in times of wars. If ever America went to wars with another country, and God told you to ask the people in America to surrender to that country, are you willing to do that? If you are willing to do that, you will be consider a traitor to your own country. You will be committing the worst of crime in your country, treason.

Yet, that is what Jeremiah did. He committed treason against his own country, for the sake of the Lord. He really loves God by his actions and not his words.

What about you? Are you willing to commit treason for the Lord?

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Interesting discussion ... thought-provoking ...

I live in America, but my home is Heaven.

I see what your asking but.. the problem here is God wouldn't ask us. Jeremiah was a prophet had a right to speak to the whole nation of Israel.