Legal infanticide: Virginia Republicans defeat Democratic bill allowing abortions after labor begins

Thank GOD!

I'd like to know something; when this bill and the New York one describe permission for abortion up til birth, does this mean killing the child or removing it live? I've heard that third trimester abortions are essentially C-section and allows the child to live.

It means killing the child.

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Has that ever been allowed?

If they don't see that as murder, when are they going to legalize knocking off *anyone* we don't happen to like?

Yes, Thank God!

Curious, anyone here condone that?

In another area of the forums I posted this about this bill:

As the culture abandons God the old pagan tropes return. I was explaining to my students the other day how they've grown up in a nominally Christian world. That means that we don't really understand all the horrible things that Christianity suppressed, eliminated, or changed. And a huge example is the status of children who were disposable in many cultures before Christianity. A good book on the topic is:

When Children Became People: The Birth of Childhood in Early Christianity

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000RY04A0/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

But as truth is rejected in favor of relativism...the pagan "morality" returns. Old evils are new again.

Michie said:

Nobody that is a member of OBOB does as far as I know. It goes against our Faith.

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I can't imagine anyone even loosely connected to the Christian faith even coming close to endorsing this.

Thank you for the book recommendation, Davidnic. I'll have to pick that up.

p.s. to answer Kenny'sID's question, the Orthodox Church to which I belong is very, very much against abortion (in sharp contrast to the dominant religion of Egypt). In fact, inspired by this thread, I plan on making a thread detailing our historical stance on this issue (on the OO board, Voice In The Desert) later today, as I've just found an excellent resource on that which I believe sheds some interesting light on what a lot of people who are more lax on this issue think of as "modern" arguments regarding personhood.

Davidnic said:

I was explaining to my students the other day how they've grown up in a nominally Christian world.

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I've seen the phrase "cut-flower civilisation." The flowers (things like valuing human life) have been removed from the plant of Christianity, and they are still beautiful. But they are slowly dying...

These people are possessed, and happy so, by their father Satan. For some reason Saan is working hard these days to destroy life. We must pray the rosary

And I still have to argue with fellow "Catholics" that we can support pro-abortion candidates - even if they have a nice immigration policy.

And our priest will never talk about this, as we may offend someone.

This is why I vote Republican.

LivingWordUnity said:

This is why I vote Republican.

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And I totally get that. I grew up Democrat but had to leave that party behind. I can't see voting for a Democrat except maybe for Dan Lapinski, and maybe Colin Peterson. The ideological purity of the Democrats will not allow them to remain much longer. They are a party of death even if they rarely have a good policy.

Republicans do better, even if they are far from perfect themselves. I would happily vote for 'other' as both parties are a mess. It's just that now one is totally bonkers immoral and the other only halfway there. I can't see how any Christian could vote for such immorality and still pretend to be Christian.

Yes - me too. What blows my mind is when I argue with Catholics and they throw all these other issues like the environment and renewable energy and social justice in the mix at the same level as life.

I try to explain that if you can't get the pro-life thing right, how can you ever have a good social justice logic. They still don't get it. What makes I harder is when the clergy won't send the right message, and it sort of leaves us abandon.

We have a pro-life float and group in the 4th of July parade every year. Our priest has never joined us, or encouraged others to that I'm aware of.